ROMNEY: PAID NO LESS THAN 13% IN TAXES OVER LAST 10 YEARS

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    Aug 17, 2012 3:03 PM GMT
    However, Romney continues to refuse to release his returns over the last 10 years.
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    Aug 17, 2012 3:09 PM GMT
    It is interesting that he fails to explain 13%, on what? Some of his income? All of his income? What about the millions squirrelled away in those overseas accounts? He also mentions his charitable donations. I think these will probably tell us most about the man: lots of donations to the religious right and intolerance groups.
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    Aug 17, 2012 3:11 PM GMT
    catfish5 saidHowever, Romney continues to refuse to release his returns over the last 10 years.




    He SAYS that....





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    Aug 17, 2012 3:12 PM GMT
    catfish5 saidHowever, Romney continues to refuse to release his returns over the last 10 years.


    Why should he? This is not a requirement for anyone to do who is running for President. Anyone who actually believes that there is anything even remotely disingenuous about Mitt Romney's taxes is probably not terribly intelligent. Mitt Romney will reveal what is required by law for a candidate for President to reveal regarding income taxes -- and probably not any more than that -- nor should he.
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    Aug 17, 2012 3:14 PM GMT
    13% is really, really low - obscenely low for someone with that much money. I make an extremely good living and pay several tens of points higher in taxes.

    I doubt any of it was illegal, probably a result of both the incredible tax break garnered by investment income and very good tax planning. But it still shows how incredibly out of touch he is. And, in my view, not really paying his fair share.

    The article I read about this in the WaPo ended with Romney also noting that his "charitable contributions" added to his taxes meant that he spent more than 20% of his income on taxes and charitable contributions, combined. Please forgive me if I wonder WTF that has to do with anything or if I don't place ANY value at all on his tithe to the LDS church, which is I'm sure what he is talking about.
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    Aug 17, 2012 3:17 PM GMT
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    catfish5 saidHowever, Romney continues to refuse to release his returns over the last 10 years.


    Why should he? This is not a requirement for anyone to do who is running for President. Anyone who actually believes that there is anything even remotely disingenuous about Mitt Romney's taxes is probably not terribly intelligent. Mitt Romney will reveal what is required by law for a candidate for President to reveal regarding income taxes -- and probably not any more than that -- nor should he.


    Of course he won't. Because regardless of whether there was anything illegal about it (probably, there wasn't), he has not in any way, shape or form paid his fair share of what it costs to run this country. It looks TERRIBLE.
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    Aug 17, 2012 3:19 PM GMT
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    Anyone who actually believes that there is anything even remotely disingenuous about Mitt Romney's taxes is probably not terribly intelligent.


    At least half the US voting population at the moment. Intelligent or not, the prevaricating clown needs at least some of their votes.
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    catfish5 saidHowever, Romney continues to refuse to release his returns over the last 10 years.


    Only an idiot wouldnt release his returns and allow himself to be taken off message. What does he have to hide??

    Why should he? This is not a requirement for anyone to do who is running for President. Anyone who actually believes that there is anything even remotely disingenuous about Mitt Romney's taxes is probably not terribly intelligent. Mitt Romney will reveal what is required by law for a candidate for President to reveal regarding income taxes -- and probably not any more than that -- nor should he.


    Perry, the Texas governor, resurfaced Tuesday as a voice in the presidential campaign when he appeared to join the chorus of (mostly Democratic) voices urging Romney to release more of his tax returns. "No matter who you are or what office you are running for, you should be as transparent as you can be with your tax returns and other aspects of your life so that people have the appropriate ability to judge your background," Perry said to CBS News Austin affiliate KEYE-TV.

    The National Review, the influential conservative publication, also called on Romney to release his returns. In an online editorial Tuesday, the magazine said that Romney was right in saying that Obama was engaging in "a fishing expedition" by demanding the release, "but he should release the returns anyway."

    "It is to President Obama's advantage to fight the election out over tactics and minutiae," the editorial said. "By drawing out the argument over the returns, Romney is playing into the president's hands. He should release them, respond to any attacks they bring, and move on."

    http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/18/news/la-pn-rick-perry-inadvertently-calls-on-romney-to-release-tax-returns-20120718

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    Aug 17, 2012 3:21 PM GMT
    showme saidregardless of whether there was anything illegal about it (probably, there wasn't), he has not in any way, shape or form paid his fair share of what it costs to run this country. It looks TERRIBLE.



    You're entitled to your opinion, but just because someone is running for President should not mean that they are required to pay any more in income taxes than is legally required. I have no doubt whatsoever that Mitt Romney has followed all of the tax laws, paid what is required of him in taxes, and above and beyond that contributed millions to charity. That is good enough for me, not to mention more than many Americans can say for themselves.
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    Aug 17, 2012 3:23 PM GMT
    Only an idiot would not release his returns and allow the Obama team to take him off message. What does he have to hide??
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    Aug 17, 2012 3:25 PM GMT
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    showme saidregardless of whether there was anything illegal about it (probably, there wasn't), he has not in any way, shape or form paid his fair share of what it costs to run this country. It looks TERRIBLE.



    You're entitled to your opinion, but just because someone is running for President should not mean that they are required to pay any more in income taxes than is legally required. I have no doubt whatsoever that Mitt Romney has followed all of the tax laws, paid what is required of him in taxes, and above and beyond that contributed millions to charity. That is good enough for me, not to mention more than many Americans can say for themselves.


    What charity? What loopholes? What offshore accounts? How much did he earn from outsourcing jobs to china and india when he said he left Bain?
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    Aug 17, 2012 3:25 PM GMT
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    and beyond that contributed millions to charity.


    Yeah, we already know he has given £10,000 to an anti-gay hate charity. Big hearted twat that he is. No wonder he wants to hide where the rest went.
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    Aug 17, 2012 3:27 PM GMT
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    showme saidregardless of whether there was anything illegal about it (probably, there wasn't), he has not in any way, shape or form paid his fair share of what it costs to run this country. It looks TERRIBLE.



    You're entitled to your opinion, but just because someone is running for President should not mean that they are required to pay any more in income taxes than is legally required. I have no doubt whatsoever that Mitt Romney has followed all of the tax laws, paid what is required of him in taxes, and above and beyond that contributed millions to charity. That is good enough for me, not to mention more than many Americans can say for themselves.


    As I said, he isn't required to do anything. But it looks terrible when most of us, even those of us who are very lucky financially, pay much much more. And the unspecified "charities" are probably mostly his LDS tithe.icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Aug 17, 2012 3:30 PM GMT
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    catfish5 saidHowever, Romney continues to refuse to release his returns over the last 10 years.


    Why should he? This is not a requirement for anyone to do who is running for President. Anyone who actually believes that there is anything even remotely disingenuous about Mitt Romney's taxes is probably not terribly intelligent. Mitt Romney will reveal what is required by law for a candidate for President to reveal regarding income taxes -- and probably not any more than that -- nor should he.


    I seem to recall Romney's own father start it, thereby effectively making it an expectation bordering on an informal requirement that candidates have had to follow ever since. So it was a"requirement" started by the GOP, right?

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    Aug 17, 2012 3:35 PM GMT
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    I seem to recall Romney's own father start it, thereby effectively making it an expectation bordering on an informal requirement that candidates have had to follow ever since. So it was a"requirement" started by the GOP, right?



    Romney's father released what he personally felt was important. However, that was by no means a precedent set that any Presidential candidate that followed ever equaled. There is a "requirement" for such things, one in which Romney has met. Any further requests that he reveal more information can, and should, be declined.
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    Aug 17, 2012 3:41 PM GMT
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    There is a "requirement" for such things, one in which Romney has met. Any further requests that he reveal more information can, and should, be declined.


    That is probably a very sound strategy for most people, but not for someone who aspires to be president of the United States.

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    Aug 17, 2012 3:42 PM GMT
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    Upper_Cdn said

    I seem to recall Romney's own father start it, thereby effectively making it an expectation bordering on an informal requirement that candidates have had to follow ever since. So it was a"requirement" started by the GOP, right?



    Romney's father released what he personally felt was important. However, that was by no means a precedent set that any Presidential candidate that followed ever equaled. There is a "requirement" for such things, one in which Romney has met. Any further requests that he reveal more information can, and should, be declined.


    I believe Reid when a credible source at Bain said Romney paid no taxes over last 10 years.
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    Aug 17, 2012 3:45 PM GMT
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    I believe Reid when a credible source at Bain said Romney paid no taxes over last 10 years.



    Would that be the invisible "credible source" who as of yet has never materialized? LOLOLOLOL
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    Aug 17, 2012 3:46 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Upper_Cdn said

    I seem to recall Romney's own father start it, thereby effectively making it an expectation bordering on an informal requirement that candidates have had to follow ever since. So it was a"requirement" started by the GOP, right?



    Romney's father released what he personally felt was important. However, that was by no means a precedent set that any Presidential candidate that followed ever equaled. There is a "requirement" for such things, one in which Romney has met. Any further requests that he reveal more information can, and should, be declined.



    "One year could be a fluke, perhaps done for show."
    George Romney

    His son has released a partial return for one year thus far.
    His daddy would be so proud.
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    Aug 17, 2012 3:52 PM GMT
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    I believe Reid when a credible source at Bain said Romney paid no taxes over last 10 years.



    Would that be the invisible "credible source" who as of yet has never materialized? LOLOLOLOL


    So we are just supposed to blindly believe Ann Romney when she says our taxes are fine- you people have seen all you need to? LMFAO
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    Aug 17, 2012 3:56 PM GMT
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    I believe Reid when a credible source at Bain said Romney paid no taxes over last 10 years.



    Would that be the invisible "credible source" who as of yet has never materialized? LOLOLOLOL


    So we are just supposed to blindly believe Ann Romney when she says our taxes are fine- you people have seen all you need to? LMFAO


    No, BUT - I also don't believe that a so-called "investor" in Bain would have ANY IDEA about Romney's personal tax returns. An investor in a fund would have absolutely no reason to know anything about its management's personal tax situation. I think Reid was bluffing and I don't think it was particularly honorable.

    I do, however, think it is perfectly acceptable to say, you're rich, show us you've paid your fair share. And he hasn't to date.
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    Aug 17, 2012 4:02 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidIt is interesting that he fails to explain 13%, on what? Some of his income? All of his income? What about the millions squirrelled away in those overseas accounts? He also mentions his charitable donations. I think these will probably tell us most about the man: lots of donations to the religious right and intolerance groups.

    Excellent point. 13% on what amount of taxable income? How much income was sheltered and otherwise made tax-exempt? And where does that money reside? In hidden off-shore accounts? As usual, Romney and his supporters are trying to shift the topic, to a discussion of pure tax percentage.

    But the real picture, which other modern Presidents and Presidential candidates have provided, includes total income, taxed or not. Romney is trying to change the rules in the middle of the game, and set the bar a lot lower on Presidential income disclosure.

    I also find the question of whether he's hiding anything to be unnecessary. The reality is that he already IS hiding something, his full income and taxes. Whether that implies some sinister motives is a debate his own secrecy invites. But the answer as to whether he's hiding something is a de facto YES! When he refuses to disclose what others routinely reveal, and that voters expect, that becomes hiding by definition.
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    Aug 17, 2012 4:10 PM GMT
    catfish5 said
    So we are just supposed to blindly believe Ann Romney when she says our taxes are fine- you people have seen all you need to? LMFAO



    You can believe whatever you want to believe. Mitt Romney could release all the tax returns from his entire lifetime and people like you would still not vote for him --- or ask for more. Ann Romney's point exactly. icon_wink.gif
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    Aug 17, 2012 4:14 PM GMT
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    catfish5 said
    So we are just supposed to blindly believe Ann Romney when she says our taxes are fine- you people have seen all you need to? LMFAO



    You can believe whatever you want to believe. Mitt Romney could release all the tax returns from his entire lifetime and people like you would still not vote for him --- or ask for more. Ann Romney's point exactly. icon_wink.gif


    Or he could be hiding some criminal activity that comes out following the elections if becomes President? The former Gop prez candidates and other conservative groups have called for him to release the returns. That speaks volumes.
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    Aug 17, 2012 4:17 PM GMT
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    Or he could be hiding some criminal activity that comes out following the elections if becomes President?


    LOL! Yes, that must be the reason icon_rolleyes.gif