To All of You Religious Out There

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    Aug 15, 2008 2:01 PM GMT
    How can you religious people hold your beliefs?
    Religion is all equally nutty, from Catholicism to Scientology. In the end, religion is just another tool used by the elite to control people.
    Religion is responsible for much of the suffering in the world. How can the religious believe in something so poisonous and divisive?
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    Aug 15, 2008 3:52 PM GMT
    Fear
    Guilt
    Conformity
    Cohesion
    Pride
    Tradition
    "God's People" Complex
    "God's Child" Complex
    Baseless Comfort
    Sloth
    Blame
    Justification
    Greed
    Hate

    and rarely...

    Love

    oops... did I just enumerate the mortal sins? icon_lol.gif
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    Aug 15, 2008 3:58 PM GMT
    I will never loose my faith, this does not mean I agree with everything the catholic church says!

    I will leave it at that ( Religion and politics not a good topic for me )
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    Aug 15, 2008 4:05 PM GMT
    Oh, god (pun intended), do we have to have another one of these religious flame-war threads? Live and let live.
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    Aug 15, 2008 4:08 PM GMT
    How Marxist. I think it's equally arrogant to deny the existence of a personal God just like it is to affirm it because one cannot either disprove or prove it. Remember that religion is also responsible for a lot of good in the world. In fact, anthropologically speaking, it has served as a way for groups of people to maintain cultural integrity and survive in the world. Yes it has also served as their destruction ... but isn't that the overall human tendency not necessarily religion on its own? If ALL people were atheists, we would still be killing one another and destroying things ... humans will always be humans ... atheists of all people should know that.
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    Aug 15, 2008 4:12 PM GMT
    Simple: Either we get cowed into it and "believe out of fear" (that's the way dogma gets it's adherants), or for some of us, we have been around more than once and therefore, we instinctively KNOW there is something greater than ourselves that we are intrinsically a part of on a higher plane. Those who are on their first time around are too inexperienced and too filled with ego-resistance to recognize that which is greater than themselves.
    But, it's a subtle and sublime thing to be aware of, and since you must be new to existance, you are excused for your rather boorish remarks and assumtions.
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    Aug 15, 2008 4:14 PM GMT
    I'm going to watch Xanadu. Let me know when sanity returns to the forums.
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    Aug 15, 2008 4:17 PM GMT
    Have no clue what Xanadu is, but I'm following Auryn. Already had enough popcorn from last night.
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    Aug 15, 2008 4:26 PM GMT
    Today's thread is sponsored by the letters W, T and F. Wants. To. Fight. Which the original poster does, apparently. Gimme some damn popcorn, RBY, cuz these hags gonna be fun to watch!
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    Aug 15, 2008 4:27 PM GMT
    Who the F cares if we are religious or not. Oh wait, yes... this isn't a free country anymore I guess. I'm sorry for believing in something. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Aug 15, 2008 4:29 PM GMT
    Splendid... we now have a game of "tit-for-tat" going on here with the person who posted the "To all the atheists" thread.

    Auryn, make room for me on the couch where they are watching Xanadu... think I'd rather watch that than this.
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    Aug 15, 2008 4:33 PM GMT
    blink777 saidHave no clue what Xanadu is, but I'm following Auryn. Already had enough popcorn from last night.


    OMG Xanadu is like a gay classic cult film. Bad acting, bad plot, big hair, Olivia Newton John, and lots of roller skates. I LOVE IT! Come and watch, it'll be more interesting than this.

    Oh! and this is for you zdrew...
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    Aug 15, 2008 4:39 PM GMT
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    Aug 15, 2008 5:17 PM GMT
    Reg825 saidHow Marxist. I think it's equally arrogant to deny the existence of a personal God just like it is to affirm it because one cannot either disprove or prove it. Remember that religion is also responsible for a lot of good in the world. In fact, anthropologically speaking, it has served as a way for groups of people to maintain cultural integrity and survive in the world. Yes it has also served as their destruction ... but isn't that the overall human tendency not necessarily religion on its own? If ALL people were atheists, we would still be killing one another and destroying things ... humans will always be humans ... atheists of all people should know that.


    It isn't arrogant to deny the truth of almost ALL the claims of religions with provable evidence. That is solely what the atheists/agnostics are doing.

    I would not care to believe in a religion that considers as the word of God the fact that the world is flat, the world was made in six days, honeybees swarm lion corpses, and someone supposedly fit all the animals into the world in a relatively tiny boat.

    Or that the world is an egg sitting on top of a snake on top of a turtle swimming on the oceans of the cosmos.

    I could go on...

    Would I believe in a higher power if I finally find unquestionable evidence of his existence? In a word - Yes.

    I am atheist simply because I believe ALL the gods in the world today are man-made and false. Is it arrogant to believe that the world is round? Is it arrogant to believe that there are other countries, planets, stars, galaxies, that are conspicuously absent in the 'holy' and 'divinely inspired' books? Is it blasphemy to look at the Christian God, the Islamic God, the Hindu Gods, and laugh because the evidences of the embellishment of human imagination is so obvious? Is it arrogance to look at the Christian God and smirk at how pitifully human and powerless that God seems to be in comparison to the enigma of time and the physical universe that he supposedly created out of nothing in six days?

    Please don't make me believe in an omniscient and omnipotent god who supposedly hates shellfish, adulterers, homosexuals, and premarital sex. What could get more HUMAN than that?

    At the moment, Man made God and not vice versa. When Man ceases to be so narcissistic and quit worshiping his own image, maybe then I'll consider musing about the supreme architect.

    The argument of 'humans will be humans' to excuse the excesses of religion is so tired. It's as if, we should just let everyone kill each other anyway since its part of 'human nature'. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Aug 15, 2008 5:20 PM GMT
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    str8hardbody saidI'm a devoted Catholic and I do pray everyday. When I'm sad, lonely & empty I asked for God's guidance to help me in everyday of my life.
    God show me the way. He help my heart to have wisdom, understanding, to learn to forgive & forget and most of all learn how to love the people who hurt me.
    I'm so proud to be Catholic. Praise the Lord. God Bless you all!!icon_biggrin.gif
    AMEN Let us all remember who made us GOD Did and God does not make Junk...


    Satan did. icon_lol.gif

    Oh wait... who made Satan? icon_surprised.gif
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    Aug 15, 2008 5:21 PM GMT
    Reg825 saidHow Marxist. I think it's equally arrogant to deny the existence of a personal God just like it is to affirm it because one cannot either disprove or prove it. Remember that religion is also responsible for a lot of good in the world. In fact, anthropologically speaking, it has served as a way for groups of people to maintain cultural integrity and survive in the world. Yes it has also served as their destruction ... but isn't that the overall human tendency not necessarily religion on its own? If ALL people were atheists, we would still be killing one another and destroying things ... humans will always be humans ... atheists of all people should know that.


    Your last statement is not verifiable or logical. Human beings killing each other and destroying things seems to have little correlation to religious belief or a lack of religious belief.
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    Aug 15, 2008 5:30 PM GMT
    And here are two samples of an enlightened follower of the loving Christian God (received minutes ago ROFL):


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    Translation on second email, although his tagalog really sucks icon_lol.gif:

    IDIOT! YOU SOUND LIKE YOU AREN'T FILIPINO... animal your mom's cunt!... Satan's Minion... Imbecile!


    OMG... ROFLMAO. I'm laughing so hard right now. It proves my point perfectly.

    (P.S. I did not reply to either mail)

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    Aug 15, 2008 5:34 PM GMT
    lol, Sed.. that's crazy.
  • ROYCE13

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    Aug 15, 2008 5:35 PM GMT

    If one would remove themselves from society, family/friends and even church influences, regarding religion and God, and seek God on ones own for say just a month (pray, read and talk to God as a person DAILY), then one would have a new personal revelation about God. In reading the religious blogs and talking to people, both believers and nonbelievers, most people do not seek a personal relationship with God. Therefore we have such interactions and conversations, because there is no personal experience. Discussing religion or spirituality is different than discussing other topics. It does require an open mind and heart to either listen or to share on this topic.

    If you all really sought to be true spiritual beings, then you would know the differences in religion and spirituality and then you might be surprised on the richness of the forum discussions that you can have.

  • shoelessj

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    Aug 15, 2008 5:45 PM GMT
    i love this question, as posited by the poster -- it pretends to ask a question, but at the same time insults anyone who dares to believe in something the poster cannot see or explain. how do you expect to get a rational answer to your 'question' when you make it more or less a rhetorical rant against 'religion'?

    sooooo ... the question is moot. like nearly every 'discussion' of religion on these here boards, it turns into nothing more (though much more quickly here than usual) an exchange of trash-talking.

    classy.
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    Aug 15, 2008 5:59 PM GMT
    Shoeless took the words right out of my mouth... or hands, or whatever.

    I'm a Christian, and I know that many other religious people out there can be bad influences and bad examples of how we live our lives. Religion isn't so black and white that you can label it as poisonous to society. It's suppose to be a blessing, but too many people are mislead and force their beliefs on others.

    It is possible to have a mature conversation about this, but unfortunately that would require a certain level of maturity. And from what I've seen in topics concerning religion, immaturity is too common from people on both sides of the spectrum...

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    Aug 15, 2008 6:00 PM GMT
    reedw saidShoeless took the words right out of my mouth... or hands, or whatever.

    I'm a Christian, and I know that many other religious people out there can be bad influences and bad examples of how we live our lives. Religion isn't so black and white that you can label it as poisonous to society. It's suppose to be a blessing, but too many people are mislead and force their beliefs on others.

    It is possible to have a mature conversation about this, but unfortunately that would require a certain level of maturity. And from what I've seen in topics concerning religion, immaturity is too common from people on both sides of the spectrum...




    Exactly!
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