Romney wants risky pick Ryan to play it safe

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    Aug 18, 2012 2:39 PM GMT
    Romney's presidential campaign headquarters in Boston seems to prefer that the 42-year-old father of three talks about camping and milking cows instead of the fiscal proposals that made him a conservative hero.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10397809
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Aug 18, 2012 2:48 PM GMT
    Funny, I'm watching his speech right now that he is giving to a huge and VERY enthusiastic crowd in central Florida. Not a word...not a single one...about camping or milking cows...but lots of very frank, specific, honest talk about medicare, our veterans, the economy, and the commitment Romney/Ryan have to leading this country and not kicking the can down the road. Listening to this speech, for the first time I honestly think there is something very interesting going on here. The whole crowd was loaded with pro-Romney/Ryan seniors. This was clearly a sign that Romney/Ryan are going on the offense, leading this argument, and it appeared to be received very well. The message seems to be resonating, and I am sure this is not good news to the Obama team. Scaring our seniors may not be a winning strategy for team Obama after all.
  • rnch

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    Aug 18, 2012 2:54 PM GMT
    Jeez......I can't imagine WHY Willard wants his boi Paul to do this...




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    Aug 18, 2012 3:02 PM GMT
    rnch saidJeez......I can't imagine WHY Willard wants his boi Paul to do this...




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    He doesn't...and you won't be seeing anything like this. Paul Ryan was chosen because he is ALL about the economy and solutions. More importantly, Paul Ryan was chosen because he is immensely likable and can effectively SELL those solutions to the average everyday Americans who are only now starting to pay attention to this campaign. Scare tactics and diversions by Team Obama are becoming increasingly drowned out as Team Romney amps it up and goes on the offensive. The 2010 election, if nothing else, showed that Americans like it when they are talked to like they aren't idiots. Americans, for the most part, are not afraid of some pain if it is going to fix a problem.
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    Aug 18, 2012 3:07 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidScaring our seniors may not be a winning strategy for team Obama after all.

    Nor is robbing them a winning strategy for Romney.

    And don't be misled by any apparent support from seniors at staged political rallies. The most vociferous are the Teabaggers, the angry old get-off-my-lawn crowd who hate the rest of the world because it's passed them by. The Teabaggers were already a given for Romney in this election (and for any looney Right Wingers) so the senior factor represents little change, as polls are showing.

    And as usual, ethically and truth-challenged Republicans accuse Democrats of their own tactics. You have to search far & wide to find worse scare tactics than the non-existant Death Panels Republicans fabricated for the 2010 election to frighten seniors and many others.

    Or the scare tactics used to trick people into voting against gays, that we want to marry our pets, are all pedophiles, want to destroy marriage for everyone else, have a secret anti-American agenda, recruit children in school to become gay, etc, etc. I think any Republican is in a very precarious & hypocritical position when he charges Democrats with using scare tactics.
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    Aug 18, 2012 3:08 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    rnch saidJeez......I can't imagine WHY Willard wants his boi Paul to do this...




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    He doesn't...and you won't be seeing anything like this. Paul Ryan was chosen because he is ALL about the economy and solutions. More importantly, Paul Ryan was chosen because he is immensely likable and can effectively SELL those solutions to the average everyday Americans who are only now starting to pay attention to this campaign. Scare tactics and diversions by Team Obama are becoming increasingly drowned out as Team Romney amps it up and goes on the offensive. The 2010 election, if nothing else, showed that Americans like it when they are talked to like they aren't idiots. Americans, for the most part, are not afraid of some pain if it is going to fix a problem.


    They are just afraid. plus I think alot of the liberals that post on here get some type of Government handout. As time goes by these next few weeks it will become more clear that Romney/Ryan are way better choice than teleprompter O/geritol Joe
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    Aug 18, 2012 3:18 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    Or the scare tactics used to trick people into voting against gays, that we want to marry our pets, are all pedophiles, want to destroy marriage for everyone else, have a secret anti-American agenda, recruit children in school to become gay, etc, etc. I think any Republican is in a very precarious & hypocritical position when he charges Democrats with using scare tactics.


    LOL! Here we go again....It always comes back to being "ALL ABOUT THE GAYS" -- as if we are the center of the entire universe around which all things revolve. NEWSFLASH --- WE'RE NOT! So many infinitely more important issues facing the country at large than anything gay-related whatsoever.

    Art_Deco saidThe Teabaggers were already a given for Romney in this election (and for any looney Right Wingers) so the senior factor represents little change, as polls are showing.


    The polls don't mean jack....and even if they do, you will see a significant shift in them I am sure as the Romney/Ryan train rolls across the country selling their plan to seniors who are not the fools the Obama campaign takes them for.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Aug 18, 2012 3:23 PM GMT
    He certainly has intelligence and connects in a way the last disasterous GOP VP pick didn't.... although I still think the outcome in November will certainly be the same.
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    CuriousJockAZ said
    Art_Deco said
    Or the scare tactics used to trick people into voting against gays, that we want to marry our pets, are all pedophiles, want to destroy marriage for everyone else, have a secret anti-American agenda, recruit children in school to become gay, etc, etc. I think any Republican is in a very precarious & hypocritical position when he charges Democrats with using scare tactics.

    LOL! Here we go again....It always comes back to being "ALL ABOUT THE GAYS" -- as if we are the center of the entire universe around which all things revolve. NEWSFLASH --- WE'RE NOT! So many infinitely more important issues facing the country at large than anything gay-related whatsoever.

    Republicans calling gays pedophiles, passing laws that prohibit even saying the word gay, nor teaching about gay health, and dozens of other issues ARE important, to those of us who are gay.

    And since you clearly have little interest in gay rights, as you repeatedly say, tell us why your OWN personal interests outweigh mine, if I choose to prioritize gay civil rights, no, HUMAN rights above personal greed and advantage over others.

    As for Republican scare tactics, anti-gay is just one example among many, that I choose because they resonate with this group. You throw out the vague term scare tactics, then become all defensive & huffy when actual examples by Republican are presented.

    How about the Republican scare tactics to drag us into another war? THAT certainly isn't "ALL ABOUT THE GAYS." (Odd how you address us in the third person) Hard to keep up with the Republican War Machine, but I think today it's Iran mainly in their sights, but also North Korea, Syria, maybe a little saber rattling with Russia & China.

    No, gays are not the sole center of my universe, but I wonder why gays are so conspicuous by their absence from yours. In favor of anti-gay politicians & policies.
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    Aug 18, 2012 4:03 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    Republicans calling gays pedophiles, passing laws that prohibit even saying the word gay, nor teaching about gay health, and dozens of other issues ARE important, to those of us who are gay.

    Of course they are important...no one is saying they are not. That being said, in The Real World they are not even in THE TOP 10 of impending problems that need the vast majority America's attention RIGHT NOW.

    Art_Deco saidAnd since you clearly have little interest in gay rights, as you repeatedly say, tell us why your OWN personal interests outweigh mine, if I choose to prioritize gay civil rights, no, HUMAN rights above personal greed and advantage over others.
    I never said I have "little interest" in gay rights. Of course I do. That doesn't mean they are the bain of my existence. You are entitled to have your own set of priorities that work for your life -- and I whole-heartedly respect that. Just respect the fact that myself and others may have a different set of priorities. That is not to suggest AT ALL that we do not care about "gay rights"

    Art_Deco saidAs for Republican scare tactics, anti-gay is just one example among many, that I choose because they resonate with this group.
    It should be noted that what YOU and some others here may interpret as "anti gay" does not necessarily mean that we ALL interpret "anti-gay" in precisely the same way...because we don't. That's just reality...one that I know you find hard to grasp.

    Art_Deco saidHow about the Republican scare tactics to drag us into another war? THAT certainly isn't "ALL ABOUT THE GAYS." (Odd how you address us in the third person) Hard to keep up with the Republican War Machine, but I think today it's Iran mainly in their sights, but also North Korea, Syria, maybe a little saber rattling with Russia & China.
    "Wars" and how we got there or entered them is another discussion altogether that has been discussed ad nauseam. Let's just agree to disagree on that subject, since I am more than happy to let the fact of WHO voted to get us into any war, and WHY.

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    No, gays are not the sole center of my universe, but I wonder why gays are so conspicuous by their absence from yours. In favor of anti-gay politicians & policies.

    Not in favor of anti-gay policies at all, I just a different interpretation of what exactly constitutes "anti-gay". As for why "gays are so conspicuous by their absence" in my life...I find that misconception on your part to be hysterically funny because it's hugely false. For God sake's I leave in 5 days for an Atlantis gay cruise in the Mediterranean on board a ship with 3200 men. Doesn't get a whole lot gayer than that! icon_wink.gif
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    Aug 18, 2012 4:41 PM GMT
    There is no way in hell I'm voting Romney/Ryan.
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    ConfederateGhost saidThere is no way in hell I'm voting Romney/Ryan.

    Don't worry, CuriousJockAZ and his allies here will keep hounding you until you do. And they want to control the debate here to keep gay off the table, because it's the Achilles heel of the Republican Party with the gay community. Tennessee, meet RealJock, where some here also want to make it illegal to say the "G" word.

    See the posts above, if you think anyone's allowed to discuss gay civil rights with that Right Wing crowd here. And because so many are intimidated by their bullying response when gay rights are mentioned, a few of us feel obliged to carry that message. Maybe more than I would like, because I discuss a very wide range of topics here, many of them totally non-political and non-gay.

    But when I see attempts to ban this vital issue from any political debate whatsoever, as you just saw happen again here, then that's all the more reason to do just the opposite, and wave gay civil rights violations in front of their Right Wing noses. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Art_Deco said
    Don't worry, CuriousJockAZ and his allies here will keep hounding you until you do. And they want to control the debate here to keep gay off the table, because it's the Achilles heel of the Republican Party with the gay community. Tennessee, meet RealJock, where some here also want to make it illegal to say the "G" word.


    How very true. Their attempts to suppress and ridicule gay rights discussion on, of all things, a gay website, is especially galling.
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    Aug 18, 2012 5:25 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidFunny, I'm watching his speech right now that he is giving to a huge and VERY enthusiastic crowd in central Florida. Not a word...not a single one...about camping or milking cows...but lots of very frank, specific, honest talk about medicare, our veterans, the economy, and the commitment Romney/Ryan have to leading this country and not kicking the can down the road. Listening to this speech, for the first time I honestly think there is something very interesting going on here. The whole crowd was loaded with pro-Romney/Ryan seniors. This was clearly a sign that Romney/Ryan are going on the offense, leading this argument, and it appeared to be received very well. The message seems to be resonating, and I am sure this is not good news to the Obama team. Scaring our seniors may not be a winning strategy for team Obama after all.


    That VERY enthusiastic crowd in Central Florida you're talking about? Is in the Villages ..... It's right outside of Orlando and is TAILOR made for a republican fundraiser ...... it's 80% republican
    and it's where Rick Scott of all people did his acceptance speech...... because anywhere else he would he been pelted with tomatoes
    That's why the crowd was LOADED with Romney seniors
    Remember CJ .... I LIVE HERE icon_cool.gif

    Now they're going on the offensive? Good Let them
    Let them put out the fact that the billions of dollars in medicare savings that Ryan cites as CUTS ...are done from exactly that ... savings and that there are NO cuts in benefits..... I'll point you to the Sunnunu debac;le of an interview on CNN
    Let the TRY and white wash what they are going to do
    you can't hide the truth.... and for them the truth sucks

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    Aug 18, 2012 5:31 PM GMT
    ConfederateGhost saidThere is no way in hell I'm voting Romney/Ryan.




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    Aug 18, 2012 5:43 PM GMT
    GQjock said
    CuriousJockAZ saidFunny, I'm watching his speech right now that he is giving to a huge and VERY enthusiastic crowd in central Florida. Not a word...not a single one...about camping or milking cows...but lots of very frank, specific, honest talk about medicare, our veterans, the economy, and the commitment Romney/Ryan have to leading this country and not kicking the can down the road. Listening to this speech, for the first time I honestly think there is something very interesting going on here. The whole crowd was loaded with pro-Romney/Ryan seniors. This was clearly a sign that Romney/Ryan are going on the offense, leading this argument, and it appeared to be received very well. The message seems to be resonating, and I am sure this is not good news to the Obama team. Scaring our seniors may not be a winning strategy for team Obama after all.


    That VERY enthusiastic crowd in Central Florida you're talking about? Is in the Villages ..... It's right outside of Orlando and is TAILOR made for a republican fundraiser ...... it's 80% republican
    and it's where Rick Scott of all people did his acceptance speech...... because anywhere else he would he been pelted with tomatoes
    That's why the crowd was LOADED with Romney seniors
    Remember CJ .... I LIVE HERE icon_cool.gif

    Now they're going on the offensive? Good Let them
    Let them put out the fact that the billions of dollars in medicare savings that Ryan cites as CUTS ...are done from exactly that ... savings and that there are NO cuts in benefits..... I'll point you to the Sunnunu debac;le of an interview on CNN
    Let the TRY and white wash what they are going to do
    you can't hide the truth.... and for them the truth sucks

    and Can't wait icon_biggrin.gif


    an enthusiastic +1
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    Aug 18, 2012 5:54 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    GQjock said
    CuriousJockAZ saidFunny, I'm watching his speech right now that he is giving to a huge and VERY enthusiastic crowd in central Florida. Not a word...not a single one...about camping or milking cows...but lots of very frank, specific, honest talk about medicare, our veterans, the economy, and the commitment Romney/Ryan have to leading this country and not kicking the can down the road. Listening to this speech, for the first time I honestly think there is something very interesting going on here. The whole crowd was loaded with pro-Romney/Ryan seniors. This was clearly a sign that Romney/Ryan are going on the offense, leading this argument, and it appeared to be received very well. The message seems to be resonating, and I am sure this is not good news to the Obama team. Scaring our seniors may not be a winning strategy for team Obama after all.


    That VERY enthusiastic crowd in Central Florida you're talking about? Is in the Villages ..... It's right outside of Orlando and is TAILOR made for a republican fundraiser ...... it's 80% republican
    and it's where Rick Scott of all people did his acceptance speech...... because anywhere else he would he been pelted with tomatoes
    That's why the crowd was LOADED with Romney seniors
    Remember CJ .... I LIVE HERE icon_cool.gif

    Now they're going on the offensive? Good Let them
    Let them put out the fact that the billions of dollars in medicare savings that Ryan cites as CUTS ...are done from exactly that ... savings and that there are NO cuts in benefits..... I'll point you to the Sunnunu debac;le of an interview on CNN
    Let the TRY and white wash what they are going to do
    you can't hide the truth.... and for them the truth sucks

    and Can't wait icon_biggrin.gif


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    Aug 18, 2012 6:10 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    GQjock said
    CuriousJockAZ saidFunny, I'm watching his speech right now that he is giving to a huge and VERY enthusiastic crowd in central Florida. Not a word...not a single one...about camping or milking cows...but lots of very frank, specific, honest talk about medicare, our veterans, the economy, and the commitment Romney/Ryan have to leading this country and not kicking the can down the road. Listening to this speech, for the first time I honestly think there is something very interesting going on here. The whole crowd was loaded with pro-Romney/Ryan seniors. This was clearly a sign that Romney/Ryan are going on the offense, leading this argument, and it appeared to be received very well. The message seems to be resonating, and I am sure this is not good news to the Obama team. Scaring our seniors may not be a winning strategy for team Obama after all.


    That VERY enthusiastic crowd in Central Florida you're talking about? Is in the Villages ..... It's right outside of Orlando and is TAILOR made for a republican fundraiser ...... it's 80% republican
    and it's where Rick Scott of all people did his acceptance speech...... because anywhere else he would he been pelted with tomatoes
    That's why the crowd was LOADED with Romney seniors
    Remember CJ .... I LIVE HERE icon_cool.gif

    Now they're going on the offensive? Good Let them
    Let them put out the fact that the billions of dollars in medicare savings that Ryan cites as CUTS ...are done from exactly that ... savings and that there are NO cuts in benefits..... I'll point you to the Sunnunu debac;le of an interview on CNN
    Let the TRY and white wash what they are going to do
    you can't hide the truth.... and for them the truth sucks

    and Can't wait icon_biggrin.gif


    an enthusiastic +1




    NOW WATCH CJ AVOID GQ's FACTS !!


    It is Romney doing the senior scare mongering by the lie that Obama is taking millions from the Medicare program, when in actuality the Obama plan is redirecting savings to enhance the programs for seniors. its the Romney / Ryan Plans that take even more than what they accuse Obama of.

    Again, its the Republicans, with a problem that they're blaming and accusing their victim of. It takes willfull ignorance to believe them.
  • musclmed

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    Aug 18, 2012 7:23 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidRomney's presidential campaign headquarters in Boston seems to prefer that the 42-year-old father of three talks about camping and milking cows instead of the fiscal proposals that made him a conservative hero.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10397809


    You may not have noticed being over in the UK. But the President has not had a press conference with the white house press corps in many weeks. But he did have time to go on Entertainment Tonight

    So the guardian's article is of course without proper context. And of course as usual without any sources for its conclusions.

    Some of us pay attention.
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    Aug 18, 2012 7:31 PM GMT
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    Ex_Mil8 saidRomney's presidential campaign headquarters in Boston seems to prefer that the 42-year-old father of three talks about camping and milking cows instead of the fiscal proposals that made him a conservative hero.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10397809


    You may not have noticed being over in the UK. But the President has not had a press conference with the white house press corps in many weeks. But he did have time to go on Entertainment Tonight

    So the guardian's article is of course without proper context. And of course as usual without any sources for its conclusions.

    Some of us pay attention.

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    Musclemed, would you care to address GQ's facts that I quoted just above? or would you rather spend post time on minutia as you do here ?
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    Aug 18, 2012 7:55 PM GMT
    musclmed said
    So the guardian's article is of course without proper context. And of course as usual without any sources for its conclusions.

    Some of us pay attention.


    In case you were not paying attention, the article is written by an Associated Press reporter on the Romney/Ryan Campaign trail. I think that is pretty contextual. Perhaps if Romney spent more time engaging reporters on the campaign trail, instead of avoiding them, his and Ryan's campaign might get more positive coverage.

    Romney Ropes Off Media to Avoid Making Unscripted Gaffes
    http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-05-17/romney-ropes-off-media-to-avoid-making-unscripted-gaffes
  • Webster666

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    Aug 18, 2012 9:58 PM GMT
    Yeh, Ryan's trying to escape from his call to force all grandparents to get off their lazy asses and get a job.

    Seniors are screaming for him to keep his hands off their Medicare and Social Security.

    Old people vote.
    Ryan doesn't have a prayer.
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    Aug 18, 2012 10:18 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
    musclmed said
    So the guardian's article is of course without proper context. And of course as usual without any sources for its conclusions.

    Some of us pay attention.


    In case you were not paying attention, the article is written by an Associated Press reporter on the Romney/Ryan Campaign trail. I think that is pretty contextual. Perhaps if Romney spent more time engaging reporters on the campaign trail, instead of avoiding them, his and Ryan's campaign might get more positive coverage.

    Romney Ropes Off Media to Avoid Making Unscripted Gaffes
    http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-05-17/romney-ropes-off-media-to-avoid-making-unscripted-gaffes


    Again a article not about policy or issues. About some reporters sourceless rumor. I would hope the Romney campaign did school Ryan on being careful with words. Considering the press is in Obamas pocket they should be. Even so Obama's last open question press conference was May 4th 2012. And i believe that is the only one this year.

    Obama promised a transparent presidency. What happened? the opposite.
    Data Here. His press conference record is lower than most presidents in recent memory / year average.
    http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/newsconferences.php
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    Aug 18, 2012 10:41 PM GMT
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    Again a article not about policy or issues. About some reporters sourceless rumor. I would hope the Romney campaign did school Ryan on being careful with words. Considering the press is in Obamas pocket they should be. Even so Obama's last open question press conference was May 4th 2012. And i believe that is the only one this year.

    Obama promised a transparent presidency. What happened? the opposite.
    Data Here. His press conference record is lower than most presidents in recent memory / year average.
    http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/newsconferences.php


    It is difficult to report policy or issues if the candidate is not talking about them (which,of course, was the subject of the Guardian article).

    As for press conferences, clearly Romney has his sights set on Reagan's all-time low.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Aug 18, 2012 11:05 PM GMT
    GQjock saidit's where Rick Scott of all people did his acceptance speech...... because anywhere else he would he been pelted with tomatoes


    Clearly that's a gross exaggeration since it took more than the votes he got from the residents of The Villages to get elected Governor of Florida. He DID get elected your governor, so he apparently has (or maybe had) a following of supporters that at least got him elected.