* Professional sports and it's entrenched homosexuality taboo... Still *

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    And here is the extracted section focusing on our very own RJ brother in arms (well, until he deleted his profile- but, we all know that nobody ever truly leaves RJ forever ;), Anton Hysen, the world's only openly gay football player.

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    Aug 19, 2012 2:44 AM GMT
    I didn't watch the videos (too lazy to click off the FlashBlock).

    But it's obvious anyway. Once it loses it's taboo nature, we'll all know.
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    Aug 19, 2012 2:47 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidI didn't watch the videos (too lazy to click off the FlashBlock).

    But it's obvious anyway. Once it loses it's taboo nature, we'll all know.


    It won't happen until people, current gay professional players in particular, make it happen, I believe.
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    Aug 19, 2012 2:48 AM GMT
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    paulflexes saidI didn't watch the videos (too lazy to click off the FlashBlock).

    But it's obvious anyway. Once it loses it's taboo nature, we'll all know.


    It won't happen until people, current gay professional players in particular, make it happen, I believe.
    I don't "believe" - I know.

    Once the closet guys come out (including the bisexuals) it'll be much less taboo.
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    Aug 19, 2012 2:56 AM GMT
    I'd say the tides are definitely turning in the right direction though =]

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    Aug 19, 2012 2:58 AM GMT
    METAMORPH saidI'd say the tides are definitely turning in the right direction though =]
    This is good news. Hopefully more will follow. icon_biggrin.gif
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    paulflexes said
    METAMORPH saidI'd say the tides are definitely turning in the right direction though =]
    This is good news. Hopefully more will follow. icon_biggrin.gif


    Agreed. I'm optimistic to the out gay sports professional progress being a start to greater things to come.

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    Aug 19, 2012 2:37 PM GMT
    Unfortunately, this as been the cause of many talented players being drop by the national team.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gcv7bmS528dhMCTKb-n5I4YfyYLA?docId=CNG.30d32258221f800003d7d76c4875683a.ed1
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    Aug 19, 2012 2:57 PM GMT
    In the UK, professional football is similar to the armed forces, in that the social mores of both institutions tend to lag behind the rest of society by about 20 years.
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    Aug 19, 2012 4:24 PM GMT
    Wow. I just finished watching this. I did not expect to but couldn't click away when I started. Well worth saving this thread and coming back to when you have time to go through it.

    To summarize some of the plot:
    -You're introduced to the first known openly gay footballer who committed suicide 20 years ago.
    -The narrator is his 22 year old niece (and is a cutie). Her father is his brother who played football with him as well.
    -She embarks on a journey to find out why there aren't more who have come out since and interviews her father to get a first hand perspective.
    -She documents her interviews with fans, athletes including Gareth Thomas and John Amaechi (two openly gay professional athletes), coaches and even encounters obstacles along the way.
    - Through her discussions she finds some really interesting attitudes and happens across a video of coverage about her uncle's suicide which leads her to an unavoidable on camera confrontation... with her dad. I can't imagine what the camera person was thinking during the filming of that scene and I didn't expect some of the answers.

    Thanks for posting this.

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    Aug 19, 2012 4:33 PM GMT
    "Yeah its okay that he's a homosexual but I wouldn't shower with him" icon_rolleyes.gif, sigh

    I swear people have this sense that a homo is gong to rape them any chance they get.
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    Aug 19, 2012 5:07 PM GMT
    S34n05 said"Yeah its okay that he's a homosexual but I wouldn't shower with him" icon_rolleyes.gif, sigh

    I swear people have this sense that a homo is gong to rape them any chance they get.



    They don't think they are going to be raped. They think their own curiosity might get the best of them. Never underestimate the power of insecurity.
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    Aug 19, 2012 5:30 PM GMT
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    S34n05 said"Yeah its okay that he's a homosexual but I wouldn't shower with him" icon_rolleyes.gif, sigh

    I swear people have this sense that a homo is gong to rape them any chance they get.



    They don't think they are going to be raped. They think their own curiosity might get the best of them. Never underestimate the power of insecurity.


    I could understand it feeling odd for someone who is straight to shower with a gay guy if they are somewhat curious.
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    Aug 22, 2012 9:19 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidIn the UK, professional football is similar to the armed forces, in that the social mores of both institutions tend to lag behind the rest of society by about 20 years.


    How are gay guys in the military reacted to by their peers/superiors in the UK armed forces these days?

    I know they are legally allowed to be open about their sexuality/relationship status etc, but, is there still a the same type of backward bigotry re homosexuality generally accepted, or more of a friendly banter about the guys being gay, or is it likely to be confronted and reprimanded now, privately and officially?

    Just curious.

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    Aug 22, 2012 9:23 PM GMT
    S34n05 said"Yeah its okay that he's a homosexual but I wouldn't shower with him" icon_rolleyes.gif, sigh

    I swear people have this sense that a homo is gong to rape them any chance they get.


    True. They have no idea that a gay guy, or at least myself for one, is more likely to make an effort not to look at their crown jewels out of plain respect and slight embarressment at the possibility of being caught taking a sneak peak lol, let alone the avoidance of encouraging them to to feel creeped out by sharing the same shower space with a gay guy, and confirming their prejudice.
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    Aug 22, 2012 9:24 PM GMT
    I'm sorry, I can't reply anything relevant... I see these guys and I get hot! icon_twisted.gificon_twisted.gificon_twisted.gif
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    Aug 22, 2012 9:29 PM GMT
    Myol said
    S34n05 said"Yeah its okay that he's a homosexual but I wouldn't shower with him" icon_rolleyes.gif, sigh

    I swear people have this sense that a homo is gong to rape them any chance they get.



    They don't think they are going to be raped. They think their own curiosity might get the best of them. Never underestimate the power of insecurity.


    True. If you're secure in your sexuality, it wouldn't make a bit of difference if you hang out with a gay guy, or wear a pink piece of clothing if you wanted to, or did anything that might stray out of the bounds of what has been pre-established by tradition to be the paradigm of constructed gender behaviour roles.

    It's a fear of being judged by others to be gay, 'less' of a man or a failure in the eye's of their traditional father/traditional male role model.

    IMO.
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    Aug 22, 2012 9:36 PM GMT
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    Myol said
    S34n05 said"Yeah its okay that he's a homosexual but I wouldn't shower with him" icon_rolleyes.gif, sigh

    I swear people have this sense that a homo is gong to rape them any chance they get.



    They don't think they are going to be raped. They think their own curiosity might get the best of them. Never underestimate the power of insecurity.


    I could understand it feeling odd for someone who is straight to shower with a gay guy if they are somewhat curious.


    I hear you.

    I do wonder though, is there a difference with gay guys showering with straight men, and the notion of men showering with women?

    We all know what bits each sex has, there is no surprise there, past a certain age.

    So why do we justify the separation still?

    More and more companies now have unisex toilets/restrooms, and this seems to work out just fine.

    I always find a scene in Star Ship Troopers pretty interesting where all the soldiers, male and female, nonchalantly share a shower together.



    0.56-1.17

    I wonder if this type of non seperationalist scenario is not an evolution in gender/sexuality politics?
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    Aug 22, 2012 9:36 PM GMT
    METAMORPH saidAnd here is the extracted section focusing on our very own RJ brother in arms (well, until he deleted his profile- but, nobody every truly leaves RJ forever ;), Anton Hysen, the world's only openly gay football player.



    Ngh. Can he stop being so hot all the time? He has a really nice English accent too. Perfect fucker. And so hot. Jealousy and attraction: sometimes it's a bitch being gay. Sorry I got totally sidetracked from the subject.
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    Aug 22, 2012 9:37 PM GMT
    JR_RJ saidI'm sorry, I can't reply anything relevant... I see these guys and I get hot! icon_twisted.gificon_twisted.gificon_twisted.gif



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    Aug 22, 2012 10:22 PM GMT
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    Ex_Mil8 saidIn the UK, professional football is similar to the armed forces, in that the social mores of both institutions tend to lag behind the rest of society by about 20 years.


    How are gay guys in the military reacted to by their peers/superiors in the UK armed forces these days?

    I know they are legally allowed to be open about their sexuality/relationship status etc, but, is there still a the same type of backward bigotry re homosexuality generally accepted, or more of a friendly banter about the guys being gay, or is it likely to be confronted and reprimanded now, privately and officially?

    Just curious.



    Officially, it is not tolerated and a proven serious case of homophobic behaviour would be dealt with via criminal or disciplinary action. In reality (good natured banter aside), there is still a good deal of casual homophobia (and general bigotry) in the armed forces. It is far less prevalent among younger personnel, who will, of course, eventually replace the dead wood.
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    Aug 22, 2012 10:42 PM GMT
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    Ex_Mil8 saidIn the UK, professional football is similar to the armed forces, in that the social mores of both institutions tend to lag behind the rest of society by about 20 years.


    How are gay guys in the military reacted to by their peers/superiors in the UK armed forces these days?

    I know they are legally allowed to be open about their sexuality/relationship status etc, but, is there still a the same type of backward bigotry re homosexuality generally accepted, or more of a friendly banter about the guys being gay, or is it likely to be confronted and reprimanded now, privately and officially?

    Just curious.



    Officially, it is not tolerated and a proven serious case of homophobic behaviour would be dealt with via criminal or disciplinary action. In reality (good natured banter aside), there is still a good deal of casual homophobia (and general bigotry) in the armed forces. It is far less prevalent among younger personnel, who will, of course, eventually replace the dead wood.



    Gotcha. Cheers =]
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    Aug 24, 2012 12:16 AM GMT
    Hmmmm, I wonder which sport attracts the most 'mos as professional athletes?

    Wrestling? Closet cases perhaps lol

    Gymnastics? Stereotype much.