Todd Akin, GOP Senate candidate: ‘Legitimate rape’ rarely causes pregnancy

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    Aug 19, 2012 9:10 PM GMT
    Rep. Todd Akin, the newly-christened GOP Senate nominee in Missouri, said this weekend that “legitimate rape” rarely causes pregnancy.

    Explaining his no-exceptions policy on abortions, Akin was asked why he opposes abortion even when the pregnancy is the result of rape.

    “First of all, from what I understand from doctors, (pregnancy from rape) is really rare,” Akin told KTVI-TV in a clip posted to YouTube by the Democratic super PAC American Bridge. “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/08/19/todd-akin-gop-senate-candidate-legitimate-rape-rarely-causes-pregnancy/

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    Aug 19, 2012 9:39 PM GMT
    “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”

    I wish there was a way that Akin and similar-minded Republicans would shut their own bodies down. icon_razz.gif
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    Aug 19, 2012 11:39 PM GMT
    I can't believe the GOP actually managed to nominate ANOTHER Christine O'Donnell (just in a man's body this time).
  • KissTheSky

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    Aug 20, 2012 2:23 AM GMT
    There are so many male Republican politicians who seem to have no clue about the realities of female reproduction. I'm gay and I know more about it than they do. Remember when Rush Limbaugh thought you had to take a birth control pill each time you had sex? Has no one ever explained to him how birth control works?

    Is this the result of abstinence-only sex education (which we can blame conservatives for)... straight guys who have a bunch of misconceptions about how women get pregnant?

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    Aug 20, 2012 3:11 AM GMT
    I'm not sure what to be more indignant about...
    is rape ever legitimate? or
    what basic biology lesson did he miss in high school?
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    Aug 20, 2012 3:22 AM GMT
    Maybe when Todd Akin is having sex with his wife, he is usually missing the correct hole by a few inches.
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    Aug 20, 2012 3:31 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidI'm not sure what to be more indignant about...
    is rape ever legitimate? or
    what basic biology lesson did he miss in high school?

    Right-Wing apologists are now excusing the use of "legitimate" as meaning that the rape really happened, and wasn't a false claim by a female. So that Akin gets a pass on that phrase, in the minds of his supporters on the Right. But that explanation alone is going to make many women enraged.

    But even if a "genuine" rape occurs (perhaps closer to what Akin meant, his command of English rather poor for someone who wants to write our laws), there is no medical evidence that a woman has some kind of internal natural birth control mechanism she can deploy to prevent pregnancy, either at will or as a result of her emotional state.

    If you believe Akin's claim, then it would lead to concluding that women who get pregnant via rape weren't really raped at all, but wanted it. His logic would require us to deduce that a resulting pregnancy is proof that the sex was consensual, because only willing women get pregnant, while the truly unwilling do not, according to Akin.

    And that in turn fits neatly into Right Wing opposition to all abortions, even for rape. Because since pregnancy can't happen through rape, per the Akin claim, there's no need for any abortions. And any pregnancies that do occur cannot have been the result of a genuine rape, and therefore an abortion is not justified.

    Very neat reasoning, if you happen to live in the 14th Century, with as much knowledge about human reproduction as you have about logic. But that's our 21st-Century Republican Party for you, ever-striving to erase civilization's advances, most appropriate for people who want to deny the existence of Nature's evolution, as well.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Aug 20, 2012 12:17 PM GMT
    What a deeply embarassing comment. The good people of Missouri should support Clair.. the idea anybody could vote for an idiot who makes this kind of statement is beyond me.

    I didn't see any threads about the group of Republican congressmen who misbehaved on the Israel trip a year ago and Kevin Fox, the KS rep from the Kansas City area jumping nude into the Sea of Galilee nude.... of course
    we in Kansas denounce this kind of behavior on an official governmental trip!

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  • DalTX

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    Aug 20, 2012 1:47 PM GMT
    Welcome to todays GOP.
    Oh, thanks Tea Party!
  • HottJoe

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    Aug 20, 2012 2:11 PM GMT
    Typical for republicans to blame the victim. icon_rolleyes.gif
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Aug 20, 2012 2:50 PM GMT
    Admittedly, a foolish insensitive comment that Romney/Paul denounced almost immediately. Regardless, stupid as the comment was, it's yet another distraction the Dems will play up to the hilt that no one really cares about as pertaining to the Presidential election.
  • HottJoe

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    Aug 20, 2012 2:56 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidAdmittedly, a foolish insensitive comment that Romney/Paul denounced almost immediately. Regardless, stupid as the comment was, it's yet another distraction the Dems will play up to the hilt that no one really cares about as pertaining to the Presidential election.


    Always with the excuses.icon_rolleyes.gif
  • Lincsbear

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    Aug 20, 2012 2:59 PM GMT
    Agree with Art_Deco, it`s their way of justifying their opposition to abortion. It`s cleverer than it first appears.

    They know how cruel it is to deny a women an abortion who`s fallen pregnant from being raped(or at the very least, bad publicity for their cause and electoral prospects).

    It also fits with their 'ignorance is bliss' argument over sexual matters.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Aug 20, 2012 3:03 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    CuriousJockAZ saidAdmittedly, a foolish insensitive comment that Romney/Paul denounced almost immediately. Regardless, stupid as the comment was, it's yet another distraction the Dems will play up to the hilt that no one really cares about as pertaining to the Presidential election.


    Always with the excuses.icon_rolleyes.gif



    Where did I make an excuse? More false accusations from the lib hen crowd. The only point I made is that efforts to turn this into yet another distraction will fail. Americans don't care what some unknown senate candidate in Missouri has to say about anything when weighed against the bigger problems facing us in this Presidential election.
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    Aug 20, 2012 3:07 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    HottJoe said
    CuriousJockAZ saidAdmittedly, a foolish insensitive comment that Romney/Paul denounced almost immediately. Regardless, stupid as the comment was, it's yet another distraction the Dems will play up to the hilt that no one really cares about as pertaining to the Presidential election.


    Always with the excuses.icon_rolleyes.gif



    Where did I make an excuse? More false accusations from the lib hen crowd. The only point I made is that efforts to turn this into yet another distraction will fail. Americans don't care what some unknown senate candidate in Missouri has to say about anything when it comes to the actual Presidential election.


    Independent voters care, especially women.icon_wink.gif
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    Aug 20, 2012 3:12 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    HottJoe said
    CuriousJockAZ saidAdmittedly, a foolish insensitive comment that Romney/Paul denounced almost immediately. Regardless, stupid as the comment was, it's yet another distraction the Dems will play up to the hilt that no one really cares about as pertaining to the Presidential election.


    Always with the excuses.icon_rolleyes.gif



    Where did I make an excuse? More false accusations from the lib hen crowd. The only point I made is that efforts to turn this into yet another distraction will fail. Americans don't care what some unknown senate candidate in Missouri has to say about anything when it comes to the actual Presidential election.


    Independent voters care, especially women.icon_wink.gif


    True, and independent women are not as easily distracted by sideshows as the Dems would like to think. We'll know in November how the independents voted.
  • coolarmydude

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    Aug 20, 2012 3:27 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Where did I make an excuse? More false accusations from the lib hen crowd. The only point I made is that efforts to turn this into yet another distraction will fail. Americans don't care what some unknown senate candidate in Missouri has to say about anything when weighed against the bigger problems facing us in this Presidential election.


    You couldn't be further from the truth. This year's election is not just about the White House, but also about Congress, where, especially in the Senate, the majority is very narrow AND Senator McCaskill WAS losing that race. This is a gift for McCaskill and the Democrats.

    This also brings to light Paul Ryan's vote to legislate the redefinition of rape. This is a big deal that can go very badly for Romney/Ryan. Before yesterday, Romney and Ryan were against all cases of abortion, except for when the mother's life is in danger. If a woman is raped, too bad.
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    Aug 20, 2012 3:33 PM GMT
    coolarmydude said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Where did I make an excuse? More false accusations from the lib hen crowd. The only point I made is that efforts to turn this into yet another distraction will fail. Americans don't care what some unknown senate candidate in Missouri has to say about anything when weighed against the bigger problems facing us in this Presidential election.


    You couldn't be further from the truth. This year's election is not just about the White House, but also about Congress, where, especially in the Senate, the majority is very narrow AND Senator McCaskill WAS losing that race. This is a gift for McCaskill and the Democrats.

    This also brings to light Paul Ryan's vote to legislate the redefinition of rape. This is a big deal that can go very badly for Romney/Ryan.



    Actually, watching the Romney / Paul tag-team rally in New Hampshire right now and Romney delivered my favorite new line..."The first victim of the Obama campaign has been the TRUTH".

    Regarding Todd Akin, the very worst that will happen (and it likely WILL happen) is that Todd Akin will be forced out of the race. Efforts to make this a national story will fail...it will be forgotten by next week. As this necessarily turning out to be "A gift" for the Democrats in terms of the Missouri senate race, THAT remains to be seen
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    Aug 20, 2012 3:37 PM GMT
    " the Romney / Paul tag-tea rally "


    and sometimes, The Tan Man speaks the Truth:

    "TAG-TEA RALLY" !
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    Aug 20, 2012 3:41 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Actually, watching the Romney / Paul tag-tea rally in New Hampshire right now and Romney delivered my favorite new line..."The first victim of the Obama campaign has been the TRUTH".


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    Aug 20, 2012 3:42 PM GMT
    Here's the problem for the GOP: Todd Akin DID NOT MISSPEAK.

    As David Frum writes today in The Daily Beast:

    "Akin's Abortion View: More Widespread in GOP Than You Think"

    "plenty of Republicans—including e.g. a majority of the House Republican caucus in a series of votes in spring 2011 on amendments sponsored by Rep. Chris Smith of New Jersey—have distinguished between cases of "forcible rape" (where abortion ought to be allowed) and other forms of rape, where they are not so sure."

  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Aug 20, 2012 3:48 PM GMT
    Balancing said
    "TAG-TEA RALLY" !




    ooooooops! icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Aug 20, 2012 3:56 PM GMT
    "The gist" of the David Frum(former speechwriter for GEORGE W. BUSH) article is this:

    Todd Akin expressed views that are identical to those presented(much more artfully) by both ROMNEY AND RYAN.


    " The poor expression of his belief is his own fault, but the expression is not really the problem: it is the view that is the problem. Akin's view may be outrageous, but its outrageousness is not one man's mental spasm."

    Both ROMNEY AND RYAN have said they would support "the personhood amendment" to the Constitution---------effectively making all abortion illegal, even in cases of RAPE or INCEST.

    So Todd Akin is only consistent with the ROMNEY/RYAN positions(even IF we all know they are lying through their teeth to fool the Far Right).
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    Aug 20, 2012 4:00 PM GMT
    Who cares if it's rarely? If it happens to a woman, all the other non-instances don't matter!
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    Aug 20, 2012 4:09 PM GMT
    Balancing said"The gist" of the David Frum(former speechwriter for GEORGE W. BUSH) article is this:

    Todd Akin expressed views that are identical to those presented(much more artfully) by both ROMNEY AND RYAN.


    " The poor expression of his belief is his own fault, but the expression is not really the problem: it is the view that is the problem. Akin's view may be outrageous, but its outrageousness is not one man's mental spasm."

    Both ROMNEY AND RYAN have said they would support "the personhood amendment" to the Constitution---------effectively making all abortion illegal, even in cases of RAPE or INCEST.

    So Todd Akin is only consistent with the ROMNEY/RYAN positions(even IF we all know they are lying through their teeth to fool the Far Right).


    And also the contentious H.B. 3 that ties Paul Ryan to all this pseudo-science Todd Akin spouted.