picture perfect?

  • thorn27

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    Aug 16, 2007 11:11 AM GMT
    most of us work out for a variety of reasons
    makes me wonder when/once you achieve that greek god appearance
    when do you say, its done
    i,m where i want to be

    or do you always want an additional inch somewhere or that extra bit of definition

    when are you picture perfect

    and how does this relate to your self esteem
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    Aug 16, 2007 12:46 PM GMT
    Can't stop once I get there. If I do the weight and flab comes right back. Constant battle for me that I intend to win.
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    Aug 16, 2007 3:58 PM GMT
    There's a couple ways you can look at it.

    First, I agree with Chuckmeister. I don't think you can stop once you reach you goal(s). Perhaps you can ease up on your workout routine but you can't stop.

    It's like diets. You might lose weight while you're on a diet, but once you stop, the weight comes back.

    Second, I think there may also be an issue with people not recognizing when they've reached their goal.

    I was pretty heavy when I was a kid. In my early 20's, I was in tip top shape. But since I wasn't use to being in shape, no matter how many times I looked at myself in the mirror, I always saw myself as fat.

    I think people that suffer from anorexia (sp?) also have that problem. No matter how much weight they lose, they just don't see it.
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    Aug 16, 2007 4:56 PM GMT
    Good point to touch on. Body image and perception does play a contributing factor when it comes to physical fitness, and those can stem from self-esteem and confidence. Getting in shape is one thing, but to also reshape your self-perception and build self confidence is sometimes overlooked.
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    Aug 16, 2007 6:13 PM GMT
    Oh, probably never, human nature being what it is.

    "A man's reach should exceed his grasp" and all that.

    I don't see anything wrong with that, unless it becomes such an obsession that you damage yourself.

    Related odd story:
    Not long ago, I was looking for something way in the back of a desk drawer, and I found a bunch of old ID cards that I kept for who knows what reason. Now, I was a fairly ugly kid, and at times it was hard to go out in public. And ID pics are the worst of the worst. I knew it was going to be painful to even look at them. In fact, it was really weird. I didn't even RECOGNIZE those guys. I mean, they weren't great, but from this distance, nowhere near as hideous as I thought at the time.

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    Aug 16, 2007 8:08 PM GMT
    Michael Jackson sure didn't know when to stop enhancing himself.
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    Aug 16, 2007 8:37 PM GMT
    I'm diggin those full lips, mindgarden. I think they're sexy. :-)
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    Aug 16, 2007 9:29 PM GMT
    Right now I'm in a phase where I'm happy with my overall size and definition, I just want to work on some relatively minor "tweaking" of my proportioning. I want my traps to be bigger and my delts to be a little rounder. I want my upper chest to be slightly bigger, because I feel like I want the depth of the line separating my pecs to be more consistent from top to bottom (now the line is more shallow on the top part of my chest). I want my upper legs to be a little bigger, but my calves are fine.

    In the past, my goals have been a lot more influenced by who I was around. I found that if I was hanging out with a lot of really built guys, I'd feel small and I'd want to get bigger; whereas if I was hanging around with a lot of really skinny/lean/defined guys, I'd feel "too bulky" and I'd want to slim down. I *think* that as I've matured my goals have become less affected by who I happen to be around... but I'm not certain about that.
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    Aug 16, 2007 9:35 PM GMT
    There was a study done recently that showed that our friends does have an influence on our weight. If our friends are overweight, we tend to gain weight. If our friends are thin or in shape, we tend to lose weight.

    It's even prevalent in long distance friends!

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    Aug 16, 2007 10:27 PM GMT
    Mindgarden: Which do you think is preferable: being really hot as a kid and watching yourself go downhill for several decades; or being unattractive as a kid, and watching yourself improve for decades?

    You should probably consider yourself lucky that you took time to "grow into your look."

    I, on the other hand, was definitely cuter 10 years ago....

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    Aug 16, 2007 10:29 PM GMT
    greg: what the heck you talking about? You're cuter now. I prefer dark hair over blond hair.
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    Aug 16, 2007 10:36 PM GMT
    Well, thank you... I appreciate the compliment. But I guess we all have our own biases.

    Bringing it back closer to the topic of the original post (which was talking about bodies more than faces), I was probably at my most built in 1999-2000 or so.


    Sometimes I look back on it and miss is, sometimes I'm happier where I am now.

    In some ways, I'm glad my idea of my "ideal goal" goes back and forth over time... that kind of prevents me from going too far in either direction, I think.
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    Aug 16, 2007 10:42 PM GMT
    I think I'm the best I've ever looked. I was over-weight in my mid 30s and decided to do something about. I'm happy with the way I look although I think my chest could be bigger. One of my flatmates says I'm getting too big. Is there such a thing.

    At the same time I think it's important not to get too introspective about your looks otherwise lots of opportunities can pass you by.

    I think I'll keep working on my body for as long as I can, it's enjoyable.
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    Aug 16, 2007 10:44 PM GMT
    I'm with Chic; you're totally cuter now.
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    Aug 16, 2007 11:43 PM GMT
    Hmm... GS, there's supposed to be some sort of perceived flaw in one of those pictures? Probably I'd have to get you in the lab and make a careful examination to find it!

    Unfortunately, being a troll when young, then less so but old, never results in actually being attractive. Still, in my case, I guess it has protected me from AIDS.

    In any case, all this is a pretty good illustration of the original point on hypercritical self- body image. BTW, most of my oldest friends are rather - sometimes extremely - heavy. Sometimes people accuse me of hanging out with them because they make me look good. And they get accused of hanging out with me, because they always get my french fries. Baseless slander, of course.
  • Timbales

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    Aug 17, 2007 1:42 AM GMT
    I know I'm not a head turner. I want to be healthier and one day just kind of normal looking.
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    Aug 17, 2007 1:45 AM GMT
    Mindgarden, You were cute in those early photos, and still are. A certain raffish charm shows through, as it does in your postings!

    GS, you were always a hottie.

    Somewhere I have my 1st California drivers license, overweight, needing a shave, and in a hideous sweater. NO ONE will ever see it!

    I don't think anyone will ever be completely satisfied with the way they look, male or female, and certainly not any gay man. At some point, though, we may just accept whatever genes, calories and the rest of life hands us. I've been there, finally got fed up and started working out, but in another 10 years, who knows?

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    Aug 17, 2007 1:54 AM GMT
    Living in Columbus, Ohio - fast food capital of the Universe - I had a really inflated ego. Every where I went when I looked at people my age, the guys looked older and were carrying around a bunch of weight. I though - hell I'm aging really well. I felt like a jock. The geeks revenge, patience rewarded!

    Then I got on this site and now my ego's busted, bitches! But I'm more motivated. At least I still have a good personality, hope you guys don't ruin that self image too.

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    Aug 17, 2007 2:42 AM GMT
    Interesting question.

    When I was 18 I was the same height (6'1") but 165lbs. While I think there is some degree to which the "ideal" always seems to be out on the horizon, I crossed the point of satisfaction somewhere around 2-3 years ago when I worked my way past 190. I still pushed myself up a bit past 200, but lately have been focused more on all around proportions and on muscle groups I have historically neglected.

    Somewhere in here I think I just reached a point of "close enough". It's hard to say exactly what prompted that. But I try to improve on all facets, not just physically, and I devote a lot of energy to matters that are far less visible. I get more self esteem from those things than from my actual appearance.

    While it is really satifying to compare myself now to how I looked 10 years ago, I try to treat the physical appearance part merely as icing on the cake.
  • GQjock

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    Aug 17, 2007 10:51 AM GMT
    You should never say "I'm done" there is always room for improvement
    and I don't think there is anything that is perfect either - there's close but not perfect

    There's a lot of examples of the Michael Jackson syndrome here in the gay world ...
    I've seen so many really cute guys go over the edge so to speak with plastic surgery and/or steroids .... kinda sad
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    Aug 17, 2007 12:00 PM GMT
    When I graduated high school, I weighed around 240lbs (all fat - no muscle).

    I try my best to eat healthy and exercise a lot, no to be "picture perfect," but just so I never end up looking like I did back then.

    So really, I'll never have a set goal of where I want to be since to me it's all part of maintaining a healthy life style.

  • zakariahzol

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    Aug 17, 2007 12:05 PM GMT
    I not gonna stop EVER. I was overweight , developed health problem, breathing problem, chest pain and sleep apnea. I wear a 46 inches pants , weight 111 kilogram, I dont have a neck and the only guy interested in me is CHUBBY CHASER. I can only buy cloth at big men, big size, tent like baggy pant, and I have to tie my belt bellow my belly.

    Once during a trip to Indonesia , I hitched a ride on a motorcycle to an ancient hill side temple. The motorbike actually "give up" because I was to heavy to carried . A second bigger cc motorcycle also stop half way. Finally a extremely high cc motorcycle (the one they used to transport giant sack of tea leaves manage to carry me to the temple. That is a final straw for me. I NEVER NEVER EVER AGAIN one to be that fat again.
  • gymingit

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    Aug 17, 2007 2:07 PM GMT
    Well, you can tell more about me from my profile. I'm really into this due to health. I would like to be healthy the rest of my life and I would like to meet a guy that's just as excited about life and wanting to maintain his health as well. I want to be that couple riding bicycles at 70 and 80 years of age...lol May sound silly yes, but that's what I want.

    As far as my body, I want to be larger than average for my height. The bigger bicep and so forth, but not huge. It doesn't matter if I have the perfect abs, I just want to have a flatter tummy. I'm sure the more I work at it the better I will look, but I'm searching for sexy and not hot. I've said this several times... since being in the gym, I have a seen a lot of hotties, but not all are sexy. In fact, the sexiest guy at my gym doesn't have the cut abs, but is absolutey gorgeous. First time I saw him completely nude in the locker room, took my breath away..... So I want to look sexy, not hot.

    That's me. LANCE
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    Aug 17, 2007 3:27 PM GMT
    Thought of myself as perfect all my life and still thinking that, i got a minor diverging on my indexvingers, that i think make it looks beter then the standard, so nothing wrong with my self esteem. When i get compliments about my looks i allways answer that i will pass the compliment through to my parents, it is all on there behalve i think. For now i just try to keep in shape before age let the things fall down
  • BlackJock79

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    Aug 17, 2007 3:37 PM GMT
    I'm happy with myself. Self esteem was a problem for me in high school, even though most people thought I was an arrogant ass. Now I'm totally happy with myself. I workout to get that definition that I love, but even if I didn't work out, I still wouldn't gain weight and you would be able to see my 6-pack. Obviously not as well as when I do work out, but most guys can't say that if they don't go to the gym their bodies would look half as good as mine when I don't go for months. I guess once I get that super/crazy ripped physique like Gregstevenstx, I'd just work on maintaining it. I don't need to be that ripped so I don't believe it relates to my self esteem.