Caveman/Palaeo Diet

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    Aug 22, 2012 8:47 PM GMT
    Anyone tried it? How was it?
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    Aug 22, 2012 9:29 PM GMT
    Been doing it for almost two years now. Aside from extreme effectiveness, it's the tastiest "diet" in the world, because you get to eat lots of fresh stuff all the time.
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    Aug 22, 2012 10:20 PM GMT
    I'm transitioning now. This link was helpful for me as far as getting an idea for the inclusions/exclusions of certain foods.

    http://robbwolf.com/what-is-the-paleo-diet/links-resources/
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    Aug 22, 2012 11:03 PM GMT
    yourname2000 saidAnd here's another resource you might find helpful....it's a downloadable PDF on the subject...nice and succinct.

    http://www.daimanuel.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/The-Paleo-Diet_Rebranded.pdf
    Fixed the link...and I already have that downloaded and printed. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Aug 23, 2012 1:25 AM GMT
    nah bro. you ever hear of this new thing called p90x?
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    Aug 23, 2012 1:27 AM GMT
    The link still doesn't work -- is the pdf taken off line? icon_sad.gif
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    Aug 23, 2012 1:42 AM GMT
    did it for two months.. had literally no fat on my body anywhere.. torso was cut and bangin as ever.. think i'm might try going with it again
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    Aug 23, 2012 4:46 AM GMT
    Tried it but it's TERRIBLE if you want to bulk. If you are cutting, it's a godsend though.

    Also, your grocery bill is going to skyrocket if you cut out all grains cuz it means you're going to be eating a ton of meat and veggies to get full and that's the expensive sh*t.
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    Aug 23, 2012 4:48 AM GMT
    active_athlete saidTried it but it's TERRIBLE if you want to bulk.
    I'll agree with that.

    I use it to stay lean, cause I get large easily (muscle or fat...depending on what type of foods I eat).
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    Aug 23, 2012 9:15 AM GMT
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    Aress saidAnyone tried it? How was it?

    Just search for Paleo in the forums....tons and tons of guys have. And some of them have absolutely bangin' bodies. I have a hard time going pure-paleo....l like my cheese, nuts, and beans. But avoiding starches has made my weightloss goals a lot easier to achieve.


    I don't think nuts are excluded from paleo...
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    Aug 23, 2012 10:10 AM GMT
    It's incredibly effective and proved that everything I thought I knew about good eating was incorrect. It will burn the middle age, mid section fat that exercise is pretty much unable to touch.
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    Aug 23, 2012 10:48 AM GMT
    I tried it, and wasn't able to get into it. I switched to a modified primal diet, which is similar to paleo, but it allows for dairy. Outside of my cheat meal once a week (sushi) and a very small amount of granola I add to my greek yogurt, I don't eat any rice, pasta, bread, starchy processed snacks, sweets, etc. I'm starting week 8, and I've lost nine pounds of fat, and managed to gain a a little muscle. It's not bad, but I do miss the occasional bowl of pasta.
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    Aug 23, 2012 8:31 PM GMT
    it´s very, very hard to change from a "healthy" western diet to paleo. I´ve done it, but it´s been hugely difficult. We are not used to eating this way, society doesn´t approve, nutritionists don´t approve, no-one approves, people don´t know how to cook for you, it´s hard eating out, hard shopping, expensive and inconvenient. It´s a pain in the ass. It´s simply fucking hard work. It is also effective.

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    Aug 23, 2012 9:16 PM GMT
    GonzoTheGreat saidit´s very, very hard to change from a "healthy" western diet to paleo. I´ve done it, but it´s been hugely difficult. We are not used to eating this way, society doesn´t approve, nutritionists don´t approve, no-one approves, people don´t know how to cook for you, it´s hard eating out, hard shopping, expensive and inconvenient. It´s a pain in the ass. It´s simply fucking hard work. It is also effective.


    Yeah, we're surrounded with wheat, rice, cornicon_evil.gif, potatoes, dairy, and everyone keeps harping on and on and on about how meat is going to kill you.
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    Aug 23, 2012 11:28 PM GMT
    You guys will regret eating this way. They've done studies around the world and discovered that the healthiest people were those who ate 85% or more plant food. The tribes in Africa who ate primarily meat (even drink the blood) die at 45 years old. Eating to make your abs show more while damaging your organs is stupid.
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    Aug 23, 2012 11:35 PM GMT
    Scruffypup saidYou guys will regret eating this way. They've done studies around the world and discovered that the healthiest people were those who ate 85% or more plant food. The tribes in Africa who ate primarily meat (even drink the blood) die at 45 years old. Eating to make your abs show more while damaging your organs is stupid.


    Exactly.

    These fad diets and workout routines (P90X and Insanity come to mind) go to show you that there is, in fact, a sucker born every minute.
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    Aug 23, 2012 11:56 PM GMT
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    Scruffypup saidYou guys will regret eating this way. They've done studies around the world and discovered that the healthiest people were those who ate 85% or more plant food. The tribes in Africa who ate primarily meat (even drink the blood) die at 45 years old. Eating to make your abs show more while damaging your organs is stupid.


    Exactly.

    These fad diets and workout routines (P90X and Insanity come to mind) go to show you that there is, in fact, a sucker born every minute.


    I wouldn't call it a fad diet. I'm don't do paleo, but as I understand it can be looked at as simply excluding certain types of food, namely grains, legumes, dairy and sometimes tubers. I'd say it's more of an eating lifestyle not indifferent from vegan/vegetarianism in approach except that they're excluding different things.
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    Aug 24, 2012 12:10 AM GMT
    Scruffypup saidYou guys will regret eating this way. They've done studies around the world and discovered that the healthiest people were those who ate 85% or more plant food. The tribes in Africa who ate primarily meat (even drink the blood) die at 45 years old. Eating to make your abs show more while damaging your organs is stupid.


    not to totally derail the topic, but did this "studies" control for the fact that tribes in Africa don't have access to modern medicine? that tends to be hugely important when considering life expectancy. diets high in meat are only one factor in this case so this finding isn't really useful without more information.

    it could be worth requesting a blood panel after doing the diet a while to see if things are going OK... I did one just by coincidence about a month after loosely following this diet (I like ice cream too much to be a total loyalist) and everyone seemed to be fine.. it's important to drink a LOT of water when doing high-protein diets though
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    Aug 24, 2012 12:21 AM GMT
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    Scruffypup saidYou guys will regret eating this way. They've done studies around the world and discovered that the healthiest people were those who ate 85% or more plant food. The tribes in Africa who ate primarily meat (even drink the blood) die at 45 years old. Eating to make your abs show more while damaging your organs is stupid.


    not to totally derail the topic, but did this "studies" control for the fact that tribes in Africa don't have access to modern medicine? that tends to be hugely important when considering life expectancy. diets high in meat are only one factor in this case so this finding isn't really useful without more information.

    it could be worth requesting a blood panel after doing the diet a while to see if things are going OK... I did one just by coincidence about a month after loosely following this diet (I like ice cream too much to be a total loyalist) and everyone seemed to be fine.. it's important to drink a LOT of water when doing high-protein diets though



    Great point. But apparently they studied more than just diet. They took into account they live among wild animals and also the points you brought up also, but still they live very short lives. They die normally between 45 - 50. They have a ton of plaque in their arteries but never have heart attacks because they don't live long enough for that to happen.
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    Aug 24, 2012 12:24 AM GMT
    SF79 said
    I wouldn't call it a fad diet. I'm don't do paleo, but as I understand it can be looked at as simply excluding certain types of food, namely grains, legumes, dairy and sometimes tubers. I'd say it's more of an eating lifestyle not indifferent from vegan/vegetarianism in approach except that they're excluding different things.


    If the common denominator is really just the exclusion of certain types of food, then these are no more diets than say your average american diet (whatever that means,) which might exclude [fill in the blank].

    But that's not the right way to think about this at all--the reasons for choosing to be a total vegetarian--vegan(ism?)is a lifestyle, and not a diet-- might include knowing that the high-fat content in meat and fat-soluble hormones found in cows milk can be harmful, and are clearly not the same as those for choosing a paleo diet.

    Anyway, taking a relativistic view of diets is silly.
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    Aug 24, 2012 12:32 AM GMT
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    SF79 said
    I wouldn't call it a fad diet. I'm don't do paleo, but as I understand it can be looked at as simply excluding certain types of food, namely grains, legumes, dairy and sometimes tubers. I'd say it's more of an eating lifestyle not indifferent from vegan/vegetarianism in approach except that they're excluding different things.


    If the common denominator is really just the exclusion of certain types of food, then these are no more diets than say your average american diet (whatever that means,) which might exclude [fill in the blank].

    But that's not the right way to think about this at all--the reasons for choosing to be a total vegetarian--vegan(ism?)is a lifestyle, and not a diet-- might include knowing that the high-fat content in meat and fat-soluble hormones found in cows milk can be harmful, and are clearly not the same as those for choosing a paleo diet.

    Anyway, taking a relativistic view of diets is silly.


    I think relativism is absolutely appropriate; there's certainly enough dogma not backed by science on both sides. For what it's worth, I think a lot of diets (or eating lifestyles) work well biologically, dogma and moralism aside.
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    Aug 24, 2012 1:08 AM GMT
    yourname2000 said

    A modified paleo diet has been working much better for me (mind and body) that the ol' Western diet was.


    Same here.
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    Aug 24, 2012 2:50 AM GMT
    Another reason I'm against these diets is the enormous amount of suffering and killing of animals it takes to support these diets. Not to mention how environmentally unfriendly they are. It's a very selfish way to eat. A zillion animals shouldn't have to die just so you can keep a six pack.
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    Aug 24, 2012 3:09 AM GMT
    Scruffypup saidAnother reason I'm against these diets is the enormous amount of suffering and killing of animals it takes to support these diets. Not to mention how environmentally unfriendly they are. It's a very selfish way to eat. A zillion animals shouldn't have to die just so you can keep a six pack.

    All eating involves death--including veganism. Any large-scale agricultural production routinely and unavoidably kills worms, insects, amphibians, birds, small mammals, and other creatures. And if those don't "count" because they are not cute like a baby chicken, well then that's just adolescent "Disney" veganism, and can't be taken seriously as a moral position. Being alive means you are implicated in death. Just by breathing and walking you kill thousands of organisms every minute.
    Paleo emphasizes sustainable agriculture, and free-roaming, pasture-raised animals--which about as humane as one can reasonably be and still eat the foods that our bodies are evolved to eat.
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    Aug 24, 2012 3:47 AM GMT
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    Scruffypup saidAnother reason I'm against these diets is the enormous amount of suffering and killing of animals it takes to support these diets. Not to mention how environmentally unfriendly they are. It's a very selfish way to eat. A zillion animals shouldn't have to die just so you can keep a six pack.

    All eating involves death--including veganism. Any large-scale agricultural production routinely and unavoidably kills worms, insects, amphibians, birds, small mammals, and other creatures. And if those don't "count" because they are not cute like a baby chicken, well then that's just adolescent "Disney" veganism, and can't be taken seriously as a moral position. Being alive means you are implicated in death. Just by breathing and walking you kill thousands of organisms every minute.
    Paleo emphasizes sustainable agriculture, and free-roaming, pasture-raised animals--which about as humane as one can reasonably be and still eat the foods that our bodies are evolved to eat.


    Yup. Even bushhog a pasture and you can kill hundreds of little critters. Having a farm has been an eye opener.