Do you believe Lance Armstrong?

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    Aug 24, 2012 3:14 AM GMT
    I believe in Lance, he's a great role model.
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    Aug 24, 2012 3:18 AM GMT
    Believe in what? Did something happen to him?
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    Aug 24, 2012 4:45 AM GMT
    I've defended him over and over again, including on this site in other threads.

    I read his statement and while I understand what he's saying, it's not the act of an innocent man.

    I'm sad.
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    Aug 24, 2012 4:46 AM GMT
    xrichx saidBelieve in what? Did something happen to him?


    ditto
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    Aug 24, 2012 4:47 AM GMT
    Let the flood of 6000 Lance threads begin!
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    Aug 24, 2012 4:51 AM GMT
    Lance Armstrong will always be great, irrespective of titles.
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    Aug 24, 2012 4:52 AM GMT
    I assume we're talking about the doping allegations? I don't know.
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    Aug 24, 2012 5:06 AM GMT
    I read a story on the whole thing. From what I can understand is they have some kind of samples that prove he was doping, also a bunch of his former teammates and staff saying he doped.

    meh, not sure why he wouldnt prove his innocence and just put this to rest but I may be missing some other details on why he isn't fighting this or something blah blah blah
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    Aug 24, 2012 5:11 AM GMT
    Claystation saidI read a story on the whole thing. From what I can understand is they have some kind of samples that prove he was doping, also a bunch of his former teammates and staff saying he doped.

    meh, not sure why he wouldnt prove his innocence and just put this to rest but I may be missing some other details on why he isn't fighting this or something blah blah blah


    It's easy for us to say "why don't you keep fighting" but nothing they can do will change the fact that he physically won those races. Okay, so they take the "titles" away, so what? He is retiring and going back to his charity work. He's probably so sick and tired of constantly defending himself he just doesn't care anymore.
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    Aug 24, 2012 5:15 AM GMT
    They're accusing him of more than just using. They say he trafficked and pushed others to dope too. That's kinda serious.
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    Aug 24, 2012 5:23 AM GMT
    RoadsterRacer87 said

    It's easy for us to say "why don't you keep fighting" but nothing they can do will change the fact that he physically won those races. Okay, so they take the "titles" away, so what? He is retiring and going back to his charity work. He's probably so sick and tired of constantly defending himself he just doesn't care anymore.


    The stigma of being labeled a "cheater" wont help his charity or his name as a role model. If he doesn't clear up all these allegations he'll be fighting this til the day he dies from every joe schmoe he comes across who knows who he is.

    Nike (from what I understand) says they will still work with him, regardless of all the accusations. Not sure what he really has to lose from going through the arbitration? He wont lose Nike as a sponsor to his charity, he wont lose the fact that he physically won those races right? So whats to lose?

    I dunno, he'll either try and ignore this and be labeled (whatever) or he'll prove himself clean. Either way meh It doesnt really bother me, I never looked up to Lance Armstrong for any reason. I feel bad for those that did who now have to wonder if he did or didnt cheat/dope/whatever to win icon_neutral.gif
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    Aug 24, 2012 5:24 AM GMT
    DudeInNOVA saidThey're accusing him of more than just using. They say he trafficked and pushed others to dope too. That's kinda serious.


    Orly? I missed that. He be dealin that sticky icky icon_eek.gif
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    Aug 24, 2012 5:34 AM GMT
    i'm going to say no, i've never truly believed he was a great role model, there has always been something arrogant and self serving about him...i mean why give up defending yourself?
    really what does it matter, livestrong is HUGE, nike isn't going anywhere, no one really cares about the tour de france anyways do they?
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    Aug 24, 2012 5:34 AM GMT
    DudeInNOVA saidThey're accusing him of more than just using. They say he trafficked and pushed others to dope too. That's kinda serious.
    Really? That's pretty fucked. icon_confused.gif

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    Aug 24, 2012 5:40 AM GMT
    Claystation saidOrly? I missed that. He be dealin that sticky icky icon_eek.gif


    From an article on CNN.com:

    CNNThe USADA has accused Armstrong of using, possessing, trafficking and giving to others performance-enhancing drugs, as well as covering up doping violations.


    http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/23/sport/lance-armstrong-investigation/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

    I think I've seen accusations before from former teammates who say he encouraged them to dope.
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    Aug 24, 2012 5:41 AM GMT
    DudeInNOVA said

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/23/sport/lance-armstrong-investigation/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

    I think I've seen accusations before from former teammates who say he encouraged them to dope.


    Ouch. That doesnt look good Mr Armstrong.
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    Aug 24, 2012 5:43 AM GMT
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    Aug 24, 2012 5:44 AM GMT
    Claystation saidOuch. That doesnt look good Mr Armstrong.


    No, indeed it doesn't. Also from the article:

    CNNThe USADA alleges he took steroids throughout his career, saying it has testimony from former teammates to support the charges. It has refused to reveal who provided the evidence.


    I can't think of a reason why his teammates would lie. Wouldn't they stand of losing their titles too, if they were awarded them while on a team with someone accused of doping?
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    Aug 24, 2012 5:48 AM GMT
    DudeInNOVA said

    I can't think of a reason why his teammates would lie. Wouldn't they stand of losing their titles too, if they were awarded them while on a team with someone accused of doping?


    Did it say how his teammates got busted for using in the first place?
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    Aug 24, 2012 5:51 AM GMT
    Claystation saidDid it say how his teammates got busted for using in the first place?


    I'm not sure. A couple of his former teammates tested positive for doping later, but I don't know if those were the ones who testified against him. The committee isn't saying who gave the evidence.
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    Aug 24, 2012 5:54 AM GMT
    erik911sd saidI've defended him over and over again, including on this site in other threads.

    I read his statement and while I understand what he's saying, it's not the act of an innocent man.

    I'm sad.


    This sums up my sentiment exactly. It's hard to imagine that if you were truly innocent you would ever just give up and have it result in an practical admission of guilt.
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    Aug 24, 2012 5:54 AM GMT
    DudeInNOVA said

    I'm not sure. A couple of his former teammates tested positive for doping later, but I don't know if those were the ones who testified against him. The committee isn't saying who gave the evidence.


    Did they say anything about his medical staff, I remember seeing something about them saying something along the lines of Lance taking a cocktail of steroids or something.

    I just kinda skimmed the story dont hit meicon_neutral.gif
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    Aug 24, 2012 6:01 AM GMT
    Claystation saidDid they say anything about his medical staff, I remember seeing something about them saying something along the lines of Lance taking a cocktail of steroids or something.

    I just kinda skimmed the story dont hit meicon_neutral.gif


    I remember that too, but I didn't see that in the latest stories. I've just been skimming too. Here's something from an EPSN article:

    ESPNUSADA also said it had 10 former Armstrong teammates ready to testify against him. Other than suggesting they include Landis and Tyler Hamilton, both of whom have admitted to doping offenses, the agency has refused to say who they are or specifically what they would say.


    Ten former teammates? That would have to be a helluva conspiracy to get them all to testify against him.
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    Aug 24, 2012 6:05 AM GMT
    DudeInNOVA said

    I remember that too, but I didn't see that in the latest stories. I've just been skimming too. Here's something from an EPSN article:

    ESPNUSADA also said it had 10 former Armstrong teammates ready to testify against him. Other than suggesting they include Landis and Tyler Hamilton, both of whom have admitted to doping offenses, the agency has refused to say who they are or specifically what they would say.


    Ten former teammates? That would have to be a helluva conspiracy to get them all to testify against him.


    10?! Two of them even admitted to doping and are ready to point the finger at Lance. I wonder what the other 8 have to say?
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    Aug 24, 2012 6:09 AM GMT
    Claystation said10?! Two of them even admitted to doping and are ready to point the finger at Lance. I wonder what the other 8 have to say?


    They won't tell us, but no wonder he's giving up. I don't know how you fight 1 against 10. And they say that they have positive tests from 2009 and 2010.

    I also read that he might have to give back some of the prize money, so that's even more incentive to fight the charges.