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    Aug 24, 2012 3:19 AM GMT
    AUSTIN, Texas - U.S. Anti-Doping Agency chief executive Travis Tygart says the agency will ban Lance Armstrong from cycling for life and strip him of his seven Tour de France titles for doping.

    Armstrong on Thursday night dropped any further challenges to USADA's allegations that he took performance-enhancing drugs to win cycling's premier event from 1999-2005.

    Armstrong says USADA doesn't have the authority to vacate his Tour titles. However, Tygart told The Associated Press that USADA can do it.

    Tygart called the Armstrong case a "heartbreaking" example of a win-at-all costs approach to sports.
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    Aug 24, 2012 3:23 AM GMT
    I never liked him.. i always thought his story was packaged and so many people knew that he doped up. I would rather him be honest about using chemicals to enhance his performance in the face of Cancer than sell this bullshit story that he's a Cancer survivor AND a 7 time Tour De France winner. Something has to give... and he deserves the scarlet letter.
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    Aug 24, 2012 4:25 AM GMT
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    Aug 24, 2012 4:31 AM GMT
    This doesn't surprise me. I never really liked or disliked him. I don't appreciate how this makes the U.S. look when competing in international sports though.
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    Aug 24, 2012 4:39 AM GMT
    SSJTrunks saidThis doesn't surprise me. I never really liked or disliked him. I don't appreciate how this makes the U.S. look when competing in international sports though.


    I don't think it makes the US look bad. Cycling is terrible for doping. He wouldn't have won if he didn't.
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    Aug 24, 2012 4:41 AM GMT
    Everyone has known for awhile. This is nothing new except they finally slapped a legal label on it.
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    Aug 24, 2012 4:42 AM GMT
    SSJTrunks saidThis doesn't surprise me. I never really liked or disliked him. I don't appreciate how this makes the U.S. look when competing in international sports though.



    I don't appreciate people who steal medals. When I was working with the US Team in skiing we were clean, and we were up against eastern bloc athletes who were doped. You couldn't beat them. So they essentially stole the results of all our work and training.
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    Aug 24, 2012 4:51 AM GMT
    Ooooooooh so this is what sparked all the Lance Armstrong hype
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    Aug 24, 2012 4:55 AM GMT
    I thought he tested negative in all his tests.
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    Aug 24, 2012 5:10 AM GMT
    Maybe the Tour itself needs to be scuttled for a while until they can clean up the sport. I don't know what really can be done at this point.

    As for Lance, I believed him. Now I don't know what to believe anymore.
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    Aug 24, 2012 5:28 AM GMT
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    Aug 24, 2012 5:33 AM GMT
    I agree with JackKash...never really liked the dude either. I was indifferent at first until all the Livestrong hype started up and then I couldn't stand it. His company is mad litigious and loves suing small startups when their name has anything similar to "live" or "strong" used in any combination in their titles. It just seems like a very greedy corporation.

    When I asked about my friend, who is doing a "charity run" for Livestrong, he said he didn't even know the breakdown of how much goes to the company and how much actually helps cancer patients...fishy. I think they tout the cancer issue too much to cover up what they are really about, which is the bottom line.

    It would be cool if they were upfront about being a profit-driven corporation but they pretend to be about cancer research and about promoting health etc....total rubbish.
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    Aug 24, 2012 5:38 AM GMT
    Professional sports is all about competition. No one out there is not doing everything they can to push it to the limit. The definition of Doping changes constantly as the trainers come up with new ways to get around the Established "rules" so don't try to find any " truth" in any of this. It is just big business.
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    Aug 24, 2012 5:53 AM GMT
    Alpha13 saidProfessional sports is all about competition. No one out there is not doing everything they can to push it to the limit. The definition of Doping changes constantly as the trainers come up with new ways to get around the Established "rules" so don't try to find any " truth" in any of this. It is just big business.


    Exactly. This is why I scoff at guys who don't think I'm manly enough to play competitive sports anymore. After studying under the professor who tested Lance Armstrong in his lab for years, all of my exercise physiology grad friends had come to the consensus he was doping just from his hematocrit! Sports are rigged not only by genetic advantages but also by drugs, and the people on the frontier of drugs and physiological doping (such as giving your own blood, refrigerating it for 30 days, and then reinfusing it after you have reached equilibrium again) will always be ahead of the people who test them because they are more creative. Hard work doesn't always pay off. Additionally, I have also become cynical of exercise physiology professors who sell products yet also have defining lines of science quoted after them. It is all rigged and that is capitalism for you. Not saying I'm anti-capitalistic, but this is a major drawback is that some people lack ethics. Not many people will read the fine print in studies, ie the methods and people who were tested and the results. People just read the conclusions.
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    Aug 24, 2012 5:54 AM GMT
    It a shame, I think he brought so much to the sport and elevated Cycling to an all time high, we seen clubs come up, more kids getting into the sport as well as all athletes...but to say that he is the only one in the Tour de France that has not dopped is kind of naiveicon_rolleyes.gif
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    Aug 24, 2012 5:56 AM GMT
    Given that a lot of the top level of athletes probably do, I think the question is more are we willing to accept that truth. That those with access to better chemists and money supplies are going to win and already do...

    . The Sports of yesteryear are not the sports of today. And there's far more money at stake when 60 years ago there were no corporation behind top sports... least of all cycling. You now have a system where winning and losing is the difference between sucess and failure in a major career that entails million dollar contracts to hock designer bicycles, sports drinks, cars, active wear designed by Versace...The pressure is emense... and yet sports goers and networks expect to see a show!. It's as if everything points in the direction of taking these drugs. The future of who has the best drugs is basically where we are going.. so it's better to just lift the friggin viel. These guys are doing boosters and stacks to keep up.. yet they can no longer be loosing their titled because it come out. It's bullshit.

    We either eliminate it totally... and make some restrictions on corporations sponsoring.... or we just allow them to do what they need to make the sport... leave them alone..and deal with consequences.

    Sports fans sometimes forget that super human feat is very RARE... we're all human... we fail.. our bodies can damaged... Look at Ali! He can barely speak.. Mike Tyson is sooo fucked in the head.. and Jose Canseco is basically a eunuch.

    Our expectations of these athletes are too high... most of them are using drugs yet we want to punish them.



    I just dislike Armstrongs Live Strong copyright and the fact he built this image surrounding his battle with cancer and wins... and was not honest with us. I could forgive it if i did't feel like he was somewhat marketing "cancer survival".
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    Aug 24, 2012 5:57 AM GMT
    sorry.. god i hate double posts
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    Aug 24, 2012 6:17 AM GMT
    from an international perspective i dont think anyone ever believed he was clean, something about him just never rang true.
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    Aug 24, 2012 6:18 AM GMT
    Deceptive heading - here i thought we were gonna see pictures of Lance with his clothes off. (All of them).
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    Aug 24, 2012 8:56 AM GMT
    If you've ever been dogged by a kangaroo court and unaccountable media, or participated in sport that has countless uneven platforms to operate from, i expect you might step back from extraordinary simplification of a complex sitiation. Drugged or not he operated as a competitor in a field of complexity not a science lab with controlled outcomes. Whom amongst us can claim high ground in our own field of sport when the likelihood is that one of our competitors or woud-be competitors didnt have advantages of funding, family support, coaching, nutrition, healthcare, or basic human freedom that we may have had? We dont talk about that as cheating. The Tour is essentialy about pushing extraordinary limits and one of those limits has been the capacity of human bodies to be supplemented by chemical performance while withstanding induced failure. I dont see where 'right or wrong' fits into this. Lance and his teams championed the Tour 7 times testing and pushing the limits in every way to create the top petformance on the day. Maybe all sport needs to move away from the naive notion that such a thing as equals can ever exist within a competition, toward other measures of success like personal best.
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    Aug 24, 2012 9:24 AM GMT
    Good response above. Unfortunately, there is a difference between pushing your body beyond it's limit naturally and using drugs to enhance and bypass those limits. It's considered cheating no matter how you slice.

    All that hard work and dedication is now stripped from him because of a stupid move. Such a shame and very damaging. I personally feel that anyone who has to dope up in order to achieve victory like this is just showing their weakness and lack of determination and lack of faith in their own abilities.

    He will now never have the chance to prove himself worthy since he is now banned for life. That must be killing him inside to know he could get cleaned up but can never gain back what he has lost: his honor and pride.

  • Aug 24, 2012 10:11 AM GMT
    Most of you guys are pretty harsh.

    It's like: you were out there competing and he beat you by a nose and you were clean, but wanted to chem up and didn't because of your fear of what the youth of America might learn from your example.

    Ever see a 16 year old model with narrow shoulders and small calves? It is a very complicated subject and very easy to be critical. Did Arnold our dear former Gov. have a career at all because he was clean? I doubt it. I loved what Barry did for the Giants. I loved going to the games and watching him hit a home run.

    And, AND, A N D it is more or less all entertainment. I mean, we should be worried about the Government giving the banks business friendly steroid injections of cash and calling it free enterprise or our politicians being fed bags of dough by very few and then expecting them to represent us all.

    The rest of this, especially the controversy drummed up by the press, is and is intended to be a distraction so we forget that we have spent over half a trillion dollars in Afghanistan, murdered thousands of innocents and accomplished nothing. We worry about one guys drug use, while ignoring the fact that many (way too many) of our fellow countrymen do not have even basic medical care.

    OK, I know, lighten up. I agree that Lance A. has some issues to deal with, but he is an extraordinary athlete no matter how you slice it. What ever happened to the idea (not mine) of getting the government out of our lives? I mean isn't drug use protected by the second amendment or something. Oh no wait, that is the right to carry machines guns with the intent to keep government out of our lives.

    Thanks for putting up with my rant if you read this far. In truth, I looked at this forum because of the headline: Lance Stripped!
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    Aug 24, 2012 10:20 AM GMT
    Guy101 saidGood response above. Unfortunately, there is a difference between pushing your body beyond it's limit naturally and using drugs to enhance and bypass those limits. It's considered cheating no matter how you slice.

    All that hard work and dedication is now stripped from him because of a stupid move. Such a shame and very damaging. I personally feel that anyone who has to dope up in order to achieve victory like this is just showing their weakness and lack of determination and lack of faith in their own abilities.

    He will now never have the chance to prove himself worthy since he is now banned for life. That must be killing him inside to know he could get cleaned up but can never gain back what he has lost: his honor and pride.


    I see can see the pride about surviving cancer and winning 7 tour, but I don't see the honor in using EPO and claiming you are clean because your incomes are linked to your public image.

    He had urine sample taken during the french tours which gave negative result at the time. A few years later, a new lab process allowing better detection was used on those sample and showed he took EPO.
    Technically, he was tested and clean, but only because the test procedure at the time was not accurate enough.

    There is tons of athletes who show the same level of dedication and hard training without taking any drugs because they idealistically believe in fair competition, they are the ones deserving respect.

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    Aug 24, 2012 10:25 AM GMT
    This thread is terribly misleading. I wanted to see pics of Lance naked. icon_sad.gif
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    Aug 24, 2012 10:59 AM GMT
    How can a U.S.agency strip hm of internationally-bestowed titles? icon_confused.gif