New York City Shooting Today: We Need Gun Control Laws

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    Aug 24, 2012 3:42 PM GMT
    ... oh, wait. Bloomberg already has put the nation's strictest gun control (and salt control and soda control) laws in place.

    I guess gun control laws DON'T WORK!!!!

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    omarking1960 said... oh, wait. Bloomberg already has put the nation's strictest gun control (and salt control and soda control) laws in place.

    I guess gun control laws DON'T WORK!!!!


    When you can go to another state and buy a firearm and as much ammo as you want, no they don't, but you cannot blame him for trying.
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    Ex_Mil8 said
    omarking1960 said... oh, wait. Bloomberg already has put the nation's strictest gun control (and salt control and soda control) laws in place.

    I guess gun control laws DON'T WORK!!!!


    When you can go to another state and buy a firearm and as much ammo as you want, no they don't, but you cannot blame him for trying.


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    Ex_Mil8 said
    omarking1960 said... oh, wait. Bloomberg already has put the nation's strictest gun control (and salt control and soda control) laws in place.

    I guess gun control laws DON'T WORK!!!!


    When you can go to another state and buy a firearm and as much ammo as you want, no they don't, but you cannot blame him for trying.


    Oh, so you know that he got the gun in another state, huh? You aren't even on this continent, yet YOU know. icon_rolleyes.gif

    He's trampling constitutional rights, so his "trying" efforts are woefully misguided.

    There is a report that the shooter did have a 32oz soda in his other hand, so if only the Bloomberg food police had intercepted him a bit sooner, none of this may have happened.
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    Aug 24, 2012 4:13 PM GMT
    omarking1960 said
    Ex_Mil8 said
    omarking1960 said... oh, wait. Bloomberg already has put the nation's strictest gun control (and salt control and soda control) laws in place.

    I guess gun control laws DON'T WORK!!!!


    When you can go to another state and buy a firearm and as much ammo as you want, no they don't, but you cannot blame him for trying.


    He's trampling constitutional rights, so his "trying" efforts are woefully misguided.

    There is a report that the shooter did have a 32oz soda in his other hand, so if only the Bloomberg food police had intercepted him a bit sooner, none of this may have happened.

    Please cite the report.
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    Art_Deco said
    omarking1960 said
    Ex_Mil8 said
    omarking1960 said... oh, wait. Bloomberg already has put the nation's strictest gun control (and salt control and soda control) laws in place.

    I guess gun control laws DON'T WORK!!!!


    When you can go to another state and buy a firearm and as much ammo as you want, no they don't, but you cannot blame him for trying.


    He's trampling constitutional rights, so his "trying" efforts are woefully misguided.

    There is a report that the shooter did have a 32oz soda in his other hand, so if only the Bloomberg food police had intercepted him a bit sooner, none of this may have happened.

    Please cite the report.


    I saw it on MSNBC 30 minutes ago.
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    Aug 24, 2012 4:26 PM GMT
    omarking1960 said
    Art_Deco said
    omarking1960 said
    Ex_Mil8 said
    omarking1960 said... oh, wait. Bloomberg already has put the nation's strictest gun control (and salt control and soda control) laws in place.

    I guess gun control laws DON'T WORK!!!!


    When you can go to another state and buy a firearm and as much ammo as you want, no they don't, but you cannot blame him for trying.


    He's trampling constitutional rights, so his "trying" efforts are woefully misguided.

    There is a report that the shooter did have a 32oz soda in his other hand, so if only the Bloomberg food police had intercepted him a bit sooner, none of this may have happened.

    Please cite the report.


    I saw it on MSNBC 30 minutes ago.

    What's the point of this thread? If you're in bed with the NRA, just say it...
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    Aug 24, 2012 4:28 PM GMT
    omarking1960 said
    Oh, so you know that he got the gun in another state, huh? You aren't even on this continent, yet YOU know.


    I do not know where he got it and neither do you. There are plenty of people in the US who think your gun laws are wrong. Do you respect their opinion?
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    Aug 24, 2012 4:30 PM GMT
    Can't one buy guns at gun shows without a background check?
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    omarking1960 said
    Oh, so you know that he got the gun in another state, huh? You aren't even on this continent, yet YOU know.


    I do not know where he got it and neither do you. There are plenty of people in the US who think your gun laws are wrong. Do you respect their opinion?


    I have no respect for YOUR opinion.
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    Aug 24, 2012 4:32 PM GMT
    omarking1960 said
    Art_Deco said
    omarking1960 said
    Ex_Mil8 said
    omarking1960 said... oh, wait. Bloomberg already has put the nation's strictest gun control (and salt control and soda control) laws in place.

    I guess gun control laws DON'T WORK!!!!

    When you can go to another state and buy a firearm and as much ammo as you want, no they don't, but you cannot blame him for trying.

    He's trampling constitutional rights, so his "trying" efforts are woefully misguided.

    There is a report that the shooter did have a 32oz soda in his other hand, so if only the Bloomberg food police had intercepted him a bit sooner, none of this may have happened.

    Please cite the report.

    I saw it on MSNBC 30 minutes ago.

    The report said the shooter was holding a 32-oz soda? Please link the MSNBC report.
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    omarking1960 said
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    omarking1960 said
    Oh, so you know that he got the gun in another state, huh? You aren't even on this continent, yet YOU know.


    I do not know where he got it and neither do you. There are plenty of people in the US who think your gun laws are wrong. Do you respect their opinion?


    I have no respect for YOUR opinion.


    I know that, but do you respect the opinion of your fellow Americans who think your gun laws are wrong?
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    Aug 24, 2012 4:40 PM GMT
    I just want to know how another law is going to get guns out of the hands of criminals and crazy people. I'm all for controlling guns. But how?

    I think background checks at gun shows is one thing that can be done.
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    omarking1960 said... oh, wait. Bloomberg already has put the nation's strictest gun control (and salt control and soda control) laws in place.

    I guess gun control laws DON'T WORK!!!!


    When you can go to another state and buy a firearm and as much ammo as you want, no they don't, but you cannot blame him for trying.


    That's incorrect.

    You can't legally purchase in another state without going through a firearms dealer in your state of residence.

    18 USC § 922 - Unlawful acts

    (a)It shall be unlawful—
    ...

    (3)for any person, other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to transport into or receive in the State where he resides (or if the person is a corporation or other business entity, the State where it maintains a place of business) any firearm purchased or otherwise obtained by such person outside that State, except that this paragraph (A) shall not preclude any person who lawfully acquires a firearm by bequest or intestate succession in a State other than his State of residence from transporting the firearm into or receiving it in that State, if it is lawful for such person to purchase or possess such firearm in that State, (B) shall not apply to the transportation or receipt of a firearm obtained in conformity with subsection (b)(3) of this section, and (C) shall not apply to the transportation of any firearm acquired in any State prior to the effective date of this chapter;
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    I have no respect for YOUR opinion.



    Posting under a FAKE PROFILE also shows little respect.

    Now that some of the conservaposse's finest don't post under their own names, we have a series of hit & run attack posts.
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    Ex_Mil8 said
    omarking1960 said... oh, wait. Bloomberg already has put the nation's strictest gun control (and salt control and soda control) laws in place.

    I guess gun control laws DON'T WORK!!!!


    When you can go to another state and buy a firearm and as much ammo as you want, no they don't, but you cannot blame him for trying.


    That's incorrect.

    You can't legally purchase in another state without going through a firearms dealer in your state of residence.

    18 USC § 922 - Unlawful acts

    (a)It shall be unlawful—
    ...

    (3)for any person, other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to transport into or receive in the State where he resides (or if the person is a corporation or other business entity, the State where it maintains a place of business) any firearm purchased or otherwise obtained by such person outside that State, except that this paragraph (A) shall not preclude any person who lawfully acquires a firearm by bequest or intestate succession in a State other than his State of residence from transporting the firearm into or receiving it in that State, if it is lawful for such person to purchase or possess such firearm in that State, (B) shall not apply to the transportation or receipt of a firearm obtained in conformity with subsection (b)(3) of this section, and (C) shall not apply to the transportation of any firearm acquired in any State prior to the effective date of this chapter;


    What about in practice though? What is to stop cousin Joe in, say, Georgia, from buying a handgun over the counter and simply handing it over to cousin Fred while he is visiting? Is it not the ease of availability of firearms generally that is part of the problem?
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    Aug 24, 2012 6:44 PM GMT
    OP is an obvious troll. Don´t rise to him people. Just don´t.

    Those who respond to trolls do their work for them.
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    Ex_Mil8 said
    rkyjockdn said
    Ex_Mil8 said
    omarking1960 said... oh, wait. Bloomberg already has put the nation's strictest gun control (and salt control and soda control) laws in place.

    I guess gun control laws DON'T WORK!!!!


    When you can go to another state and buy a firearm and as much ammo as you want, no they don't, but you cannot blame him for trying.


    That's incorrect.

    You can't legally purchase in another state without going through a firearms dealer in your state of residence.

    18 USC § 922 - Unlawful acts

    (a)It shall be unlawful—
    ...

    (3)for any person, other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to transport into or receive in the State where he resides (or if the person is a corporation or other business entity, the State where it maintains a place of business) any firearm purchased or otherwise obtained by such person outside that State, except that this paragraph (A) shall not preclude any person who lawfully acquires a firearm by bequest or intestate succession in a State other than his State of residence from transporting the firearm into or receiving it in that State, if it is lawful for such person to purchase or possess such firearm in that State, (B) shall not apply to the transportation or receipt of a firearm obtained in conformity with subsection (b)(3) of this section, and (C) shall not apply to the transportation of any firearm acquired in any State prior to the effective date of this chapter;


    What about in practice though? What is to stop cousin Joe in, say, Georgia, from buying a handgun over the counter and simply handing it over to cousin Fred while he is visiting? Is it not the ease of availability of firearms generally that is part of the problem?


    There's a law against that too. Straw purchases are prohibited. A straw purchase is a purchase for someone who's ineligible to receive the gun (e.g. a resident of another state, a felon, etc.)

    From the ATF Federal Regulations Reference Guide:

    15. STRAW PURCHASES
    Questions have arisen concerning the
    lawfulness of firearms purchases from
    licensees by persons who use a "straw
    purchaser" (another person) to acquire
    the firearms. Specifically, the actual
    buyer uses the straw purchaser to execute
    the Form 4473 purporting to show
    that the straw purchaser is the actual
    purchaser of the firearm. In some instances,
    a straw purchaser is used because
    the actual purchaser is prohibited
    from acquiring the firearm. That is to
    say, the actual purchaser is a felon or is
    within one of the other prohibited categories
    of persons who may not lawfully
    acquire firearms or is a resident of a
    State other than that in which the licensee's
    business premises is located.
    Because of his or her disability, the person
    uses a straw purchaser who is not
    prohibited from purchasing a firearm
    from the licensee. In other instances,
    neither the straw purchaser nor the actual
    purchaser is prohibited from acquiring
    the firearm.
    In both instances, the straw purchaser
    violates Federal law by making
    false statements on Form 4473 to the
    licensee with respect to the identity of
    the actual purchaser of the firearm, as
    well as the actual purchaser's residence
    address and date of birth. The actual
    purchaser who utilized the straw purchaser
    to acquire a firearm has unlawfully
    aided and abetted or caused the
    making of the false statements. The
    licensee selling the firearm under these
    circumstances also violates Federal law
    if the licensee is aware of the false
    statements on the form. It is immaterial
    that the actual purchaser and the straw
    purchaser are residents of the State in
    which the licensee's business premises
    is located, are not prohibited from receiving
    or possessing firearms, and
    could have lawfully purchased firearms
    from the licensee.
    An example of an illegal straw purchase
    is as follows: Mr. Smith asks Mr.
    Jones to purchase a firearm for Mr.
    Smith. Mr. Smith gives Mr. Jones the
    money for the firearm. If Mr. Jones fills
    out Form 4473, he violates the law by
    falsely stating that he is the actual buyer
    of the firearm. Mr. Smith also violates
    the law because he has unlawfully aided
    and abetted or caused the making of
    false statements on the form.
    Where a person purchases a firearm
    with the intent of making a gift of the
    firearm to another person, the person
    making the purchase is indeed the true
    purchaser. There is no straw purchaser
    in these instances. In the above example,
    if Mr. Jones had bought a firearm
    with his own money to give to Mr. Smith
    as a birthday present, Mr. Jones could
    lawfully have completed Form 4473.
    The use of gift certificates would also
    not fall within the category of straw purchases.
    The person redeeming the gift
    certificate would be the actual purchaser
    of the firearm and would be properly
    reflected as such in the dealer's records.

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    Aug 24, 2012 8:53 PM GMT
    We have gun control laws silly. Those laws just don't seem to keep guns out of the hands of felons.

    I propose we freeze dry all felons.
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    conservativejock saidWe have gun control laws silly. Those laws just don't seem to keep guns out of the hands of felons.

    I propose we freeze dry all felons.


    I know you have gun controls laws, silly. They are just not very effective.

    We have gun control laws in England, which are very effective.

    That is why, per 100,000 population, per year, there are 10.7 gun-related deaths in the US and only 0.46 in England.
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    Ex_Mil8 saidWe have gun control laws in England, which are very effective.

    That is why, per 100,000 population, per year, there are 10.7 gun-related deaths in the US and only 0.46 in England.

    What are your laws that are so effective? How do you do that?
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    Ex_Mil8 saidWe have gun control laws in England, which are very effective.

    That is why, per 100,000 population, per year, there are 10.7 gun-related deaths in the US and only 0.46 in England.

    What are your laws that are so effective? How do you do that?


    Fully automatic (submachine-guns, etc.) and self-loading (semi-automatic) weapons of calibre larger than .22 rimfire are totally banned. Pistols are limited to .22 calibre in short barrel, while calibres up to .357 magnum are allowed in long barrel pistols (of total length at least 60cm). All other rifles and their ammunition are permitted with good reason, which may include target shooting, hunting, and historic and black powder weapons, but not self-defence. Shotgun ownership and use is controlled, and even low-power air rifles and pistols, while permitted, are controlled to some extent.

    A firearms certificate issued by the police is required for all weapons and ammunition except air weapons of modest power (of muzzle energy not over 12ft·lbf for rifles, and 6ft·lbf for pistols). Shotguns with a capacity of three rounds or less (up to guns with a magazine holding no more than two rounds, in addition to one in the chamber) are subject to less stringent licensing requirements than other firearms; shotguns with higher capacity require a Firearms Certificate.

    To obtain a firearm certificate, the police must be convinced that a person has "good reason" to own each firearm, and that they can be trusted with it "without danger to the public safety or to the peace". Under Home Office guidelines, firearms licences are only issued if a person has legitimate sporting, collecting, or work-related reasons for ownership. Since 1968, self-defence has not been considered a valid reason to own a firearm.

    The current licensing procedure involves: positive verification of identity, two referees of verifiable good character who have known the applicant for at least two years (and who may themselves be interviewed and/or investigated as part of the certification), approval of the application by the applicant's own family doctor, an inspection of the premises and cabinet where firearms will be kept and a face-to-face interview by a Firearms Enquiry Officer (FEO) also known as a Firearms Liaison Officer (FLO). A thorough background check of the applicant is then made by Special Branch on behalf of the firearms licensing department. Only when all these stages have been satisfactorily completed will a license be issued, which has to be renewed every 5 years.
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    Ex_Mil8 said
    Caslon20000 said
    Ex_Mil8 saidWe have gun control laws in England, which are very effective.

    That is why, per 100,000 population, per year, there are 10.7 gun-related deaths in the US and only 0.46 in England.

    What are your laws that are so effective? How do you do that?


    Fully automatic (submachine-guns, etc.) and self-loading (semi-automatic) weapons of calibre larger than .22 rimfire are totally banned. Pistols are limited to .22 calibre in short barrel, while calibres up to .357 magnum are allowed in long barrel pistols (of total length at least 60cm). All other rifles and their ammunition are permitted with good reason, which may include target shooting, hunting, and historic and black powder weapons, but not self-defence. Shotgun ownership and use is controlled, and even low-power air rifles and pistols, while permitted, are controlled to some extent.

    A firearms certificate issued by the police is required for all weapons and ammunition except air weapons of modest power (of muzzle energy not over 12ft·lbf for rifles, and 6ft·lbf for pistols). Shotguns with a capacity of three rounds or less (up to guns with a magazine holding no more than two rounds, in addition to one in the chamber) are subject to less stringent licensing requirements than other firearms; shotguns with higher capacity require a Firearms Certificate.

    To obtain a firearm certificate, the police must be convinced that a person has "good reason" to own each firearm, and that they can be trusted with it "without danger to the public safety or to the peace". Under Home Office guidelines, firearms licences are only issued if a person has legitimate sporting, collecting, or work-related reasons for ownership. Since 1968, self-defence has not been considered a valid reason to own a firearm.

    The current licensing procedure involves: positive verification of identity, two referees of verifiable good character who have known the applicant for at least two years (and who may themselves be interviewed and/or investigated as part of the certification), approval of the application by the applicant's own family doctor, an inspection of the premises and cabinet where firearms will be kept and a face-to-face interview by a Firearms Enquiry Officer (FEO) also known as a Firearms Liaison Officer (FLO). A thorough background check of the applicant is then made by Special Branch on behalf of the firearms licensing department. Only when all these stages have been satisfactorily completed will a license be issued, which has to be renewed every 5 years.

    Oh you just want to see a second revolution over here! Let me put this on Facebook and watch all my 4th cousins' friends hit the roof! Hahahaha!!!
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    States with more lax gun laws tend to have lower crime rates.