What a disgrace!

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    Aug 17, 2008 3:09 AM GMT
    Now I remember a thread on here about how the US Swim team was "obnoxious" when they won the gold medal (http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/257886/), and I got pissed at how people labeled their happiness with being obnoxious. For those people who said their celebrating was in poor taste...what do you say about this:

    (CNN) -- A Swedish wrestler who discarded his bronze medal in a protest during the presentation ceremony has been stripped of the award and disqualified from the tournament in Beijing.
    A disgruntled Abrahamian drops his bronze medal before leaving the arena during the presentation ceremony.

    The International Olympic Committee said it was also officially disqualifying Ara Abrahamian, 35, from his event, Greco-Roman wrestling.

    Abrahamian was beaten in the 84-kilogram class by eventual gold medal winner Andrea Minguzzi of Italy. He complained that "blatant errors in judging" caused him to lose the match and said he felt that he deserved the gold.

    The Swede shouted at the referee before confronting the judges. During Thursday's presentation ceremony, he took off his medal and left it in the center of the competition mat before walking off.

    The IOC said Abrahamian violated two rules of the Olympic charter, one that bans any sort of demonstrations and another that demands respect for all Olympic athletes.

    "The awards ceremony is a highly symbolic ritual, acknowledged as such by all athletes and other participants," the IOC said.

    "Any disruption by any athlete, in particular a medalist, is in itself an insult to the other athletes and to the Olympic Movement. It is also contrary to the spirit of fair play."

    Abrahamian never expressed regret or offered an apology, the IOC said. The international weightlifting federation was asked to consider further sanctions against him.

    His medal was the third stripped at the Beijing Games.

    On Friday, North Korean shooter Kim Jong Su had his silver and bronze medals taken away after failing a doping test. Also expelled for doping violations have been Spanish cyclist Maria Isabel Moreno and Vietnamese gymnast Thi Ngan Thuong Do.

    Abrahamian's case is not the first of its kind.

    A weightlifter at the 1992 Barcelona Olympics was stripped of his bronze medal after rejecting it during the medal ceremony.
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    Ibragim Samadov, competing in the light heavyweight category for the Unified Team of the former Soviet Union, was upset with his performance and refused to have the medal placed around his neck and only accepted it in his hand. He then put it down and walked off.

    Samadov later apologized, but the IOC decision upheld its decision to disqualify him, and he was later banned for life by the sport's governing body.
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    Aug 17, 2008 9:37 AM GMT
    Who can imagine how much those two men must regret their actions. No doubt they are unsportsmanlike and no doubt the IOC has done the right thing in both cases (perhaps banned for life is a little harsh in the case of Samadov).

    However, it is really understandable to me that people can and do lose their tempers when they are extremely focused, pumped with adrenaline and testosterone, and in front of something that they have worked their whole lives to achieve.

    Frankly, I would feel neither qualified nor eager to judge these guys who achieved something that I couldn't even dream of. I can only wish, for their sakes, that they could have managed their anger and disappointment better when they had the chance.

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    Aug 17, 2008 9:58 AM GMT
    Abrahamian is damn sexy. He can stomp about and throw his weight around with me anytime. I'll give him what he deserves!

  • Aug 17, 2008 12:58 PM GMT
    How exactly does one strip someone of something that they have already rejected?

    Can my boss fire me from my job after I've already quit?
  • silverfox

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    Aug 17, 2008 1:05 PM GMT
    You know what? I am not supporting what he did BUT....
    and who knows if he was judged unfairly or not...

    Can you imagine training for an event for 4 years and feeling you were robbed because of unfair judging?

    Would you go ballistic?
    I probably would.

    It looked like it was moving in that direction during the woman's gymnastics final.

    I guess he could have tried to file an appeal but hell he is a WRESTLER and perhaps lost his temper a bit....

    besides it is a much hotter reaction than an appeal.

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    Aug 17, 2008 1:37 PM GMT
    I am not going to excuse his behaviour, but to be honest I am surprised this does not happen more often. Just imagine all the hours spent trying to achieve the ultimate goal of an olympic gold medal. Then you are prevented from achieving your goal due to what you feel was a bad call. It must be very frustrating. That is why sports like running and swimming are probably the best to participate in, you are less at the mercy of judges and referees.
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    Aug 17, 2008 2:20 PM GMT
    SurrealLife saidI am not going to excuse his behaviour, but to be honest I am surprised this does not happen more often. Just imagine all the hours spent trying to achieve the ultimate goal of an olympic gold medal. Then you are prevented from achieving your goal due to what you feel was a bad call. It must be very frustrating. That is why sports like running and swimming are probably the best to participate in, you are less at the mercy of judges and referees.


    Definitely, but he should control his temper more too, yeah he had trained for his life for the event, but he lost his temper this time and if he's banned for life, he will lose everything he has done in his life, his goal, his passion, etc. Then he can regret.
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    Aug 17, 2008 2:23 PM GMT
    SurrealLife saidI am not going to excuse his behaviour, but to be honest I am surprised this does not happen more often. Just imagine all the hours spent trying to achieve the ultimate goal of an olympic gold medal. Then you are prevented from achieving your goal due to what you feel was a bad call. It must be very frustrating. That is why sports like running and swimming are probably the best to participate in, you are less at the mercy of judges and referees.


    Training for a sport includes learning sportsmanlike conduct. If you train all that time only to pout like a baby when someone has outdone you, then you are only failing yourself. Think about it, now after his temper tantrum, HE CAN NEVER RETURN TO THE OLYMPICS. Are you kidding me?! Is it worth all that?
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    Aug 17, 2008 2:30 PM GMT
    I agree that his sportmanship was appalling, all I am saying is the objectivity of the judges and referrees is questionable at times as well. And they don't put in the hours or sacrifice time and careers to achieve a goal.

    I personally find the Olympics is corrupt to a certain extent with the judging and referring. Nationalism creeps in when it should not.

    I prefer the sports that are not depending on other's not controlling the athlete's fate. Rowing, swimming, track, shotput, etc.. are all based on the athlete's efforts not someone else's subjective opinion.
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    Aug 17, 2008 2:48 PM GMT
    SurrealLife saidI agree that his sportmanship was appalling, all I am saying is the objectivity of the judges and referrees is questionable at times as well. And they don't put in the hours or sacrifice time and careers to achieve a goal.

    I personally find the Olympics is corrupt to a certain extent with the judging and referring. Nationalism creeps in when it should not.

    I prefer the sports that are not depending on other's not controlling the athlete's fate. Rowing, swimming, track, shotput, etc.. are all based on the athlete's efforts not someone else's subjective opinion.


    Yes, and I agree with that, however, my thinking is that people were pissed about how the US team was acting when they won the gold..http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/257886/
    but I wanted to see how they felt about this action.
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    Aug 17, 2008 3:25 PM GMT
    I guess I'm in the minority here, but I say what a big baby. He got the bronze, that's still something to be proud of - how many guys train those same 4 years and don't make the semi-finals? To say the Olympics are corrupt is no different than saying all sports are corrupt. You accept the circumstances when you decide to compete. The guy needs to grow up and learn how to respect his peers.
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    Aug 17, 2008 3:27 PM GMT
    GuyNextDoorOhio saidI guess I'm in the minority here, but I say what a big baby. He got the bronze, that's still something to be proud of - how many guys train those same 4 years and don't make the semi-finals? To say the Olympics are corrupt is no different than saying all sports are corrupt. You accept the circumstances when you decide to compete. The guy needs to grow up and learn how to respect his peers.


    Exactly!!
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    Aug 17, 2008 3:44 PM GMT
    GuyNextDoorOhio saidI guess I'm in the minority here, but I say what a big baby. He got the bronze, that's still something to be proud of - how many guys train those same 4 years and don't make the semi-finals? To say the Olympics are corrupt is no different than saying all sports are corrupt. You accept the circumstances when you decide to compete. The guy needs to grow up and learn how to respect his peers.

    Exactly!
    Look at all the other silver and gold medalists over the years who almost got the gold. Hardly any of them throw a tantrum. I undertand the disappointment & frustration, but it comes across as a sense of entitlement. There are plenty of younger athletes, lots of them girls, who don't throw things or start crying. Hope the satisfaction he felt will be worth the consequences.
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    Aug 17, 2008 3:50 PM GMT
    "A true winner is revealed by how well he loses."