Apple wins lawsuit

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    Aug 25, 2012 12:57 AM GMT
    http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/08/24/jury-reaches-verdict-in-apple-vs-samsung-case/

    all smart phones seem the same to me except for the UI but I guess the jurors thought Apple needed more money.
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    Aug 25, 2012 1:19 AM GMT
    sanjose470 said

    I guess the jurors thought Apple needed more money.


    I didn't realize justice was delegated through the application of financial need and assistance forms.
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    Aug 25, 2012 1:44 AM GMT
    LOL. Apple won one lawsuit against Samsung. And Samsung won two lawsuits again Apple. icon_lol.gif

    Silly patent system.
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    Aug 25, 2012 4:57 AM GMT
    I just got a Samsung and love it. Is Apple going to make it suck now? If so, would Apple pay the termination fee to T-Mobile so I can switch to whomever and get and Iphone? Please, oh spirit of Steve Jobs?
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    Aug 25, 2012 5:05 AM GMT
    Ariodante said
    sanjose470 said

    I guess the jurors thought Apple needed more money.


    I didn't realize justice was delegated through the application of financial need and assistance forms.

    I didn't realize law was based solely on a monetary basis and executed through bullshit rhetoric. Ironically it's how you sell your point.
    I love my Samsung and I used to.have an iPhone. I'm getting an S3 damnit
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    Aug 25, 2012 5:48 AM GMT
    These companies have patents on things as stupid as rounded corners.

    Hey, I think I'll patent anything with a 45 degree angle.
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    Aug 25, 2012 6:55 AM GMT
    Everything gets patented. Just.a matter of who did it first. Patents are scary. More than 1 person can have a similar idea. According to Microsoft, they invented The Internet.
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    Aug 25, 2012 7:02 AM GMT
    I thought Al Gore invented the internet? icon_lol.gif
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    Aug 25, 2012 7:03 AM GMT
    Actually the www was British and Internet ww2 joint Brit-American project


    But I agree
    Patents and copyright has got extreme and beyond common sense
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    Aug 25, 2012 7:04 AM GMT
    Jesus created the internet. Steve jobs and Jesus are predominantly the same person
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    Aug 25, 2012 7:13 AM GMT
    Jesus is a cool dude then. He gave us free porn and music through the internet. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Aug 25, 2012 8:07 PM GMT
    According to one juror, the damning evidence was the internal documents between Samsung execs that compared their products to the iPhone and on how to make it similar to the iPhone. This includes the hardware and the OS. I'm going to play devil's advocate here, but to me that sounds like Samsung WILLFULLY infringed on Apples products. Fanboyisms aside, and pantent system issues aside,the law is the law. Just look at the documents, link below. They compare iOS to their products side by side and make recommendation on how to make it more like iOS. Samsung knew what they were doing and deliberately copied iOS. Whether or not you agree is irrelevant. Juries base their decisions on the fact presented to them in court.

    http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/08/apple-samsung-internal-document-mimicry/

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57500358-37/exclusive-apple-samsung-juror-speaks-out/
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    Aug 26, 2012 5:35 PM GMT
    It was pretty obvious that Samsung copied Apple more than they should have, they had it coming. The evidence was pretty straight forward and Samsung was trying to dodge questions instead of giving straight answers. Some may question the patent system itself but that is not Apple's problem, you HAVE to apply for patens in the process of making absolutely anything otherwise somebody else will patent it. However the patents are not as generic as some make it sound. Apple DOES NOT have have a patent on rounded corners that is just plain stupid. Apple does however have a patent on a trade dress, which included rounded corners, you cant just isolate a single part of the patent to prove a patent invalid. Some of Apple's patens are simple yet not obvious, and there is a difference. Bounce back over scroll is simple however we've had personal computers for over 30 years now and NONE of them used bounce back over scroll, that was until Apple implemented it on the iPhone of course. Apple has the right to patent it and to protect such patent if any software manufacturer is not willing to pay for a license like they should. Microsoft currently pays and has a cross license deal with Apple on the iPad trade dress and other iOS features. Microsoft is legally allowed to copy the shit out of Apple, why cant Samsung legally proceed to do the same?


    This is a major victory for Apple, it will definitely set a precedent for future hearings. 1.05 billion dollars in damages is a huge amount of money and it sets all the tools Apple currently needs to seek import bans on any Samsung product proved to infringe Apple's patents.

    I would say this is good news, Android OEMs now know they can lose this fight big time, it will force them to keep their custom UIs and designs very distinct from Apple's like Microsoft accomplished with Windows 8. It will generate true options for consumers and it will promote more innovation.
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    Aug 26, 2012 5:49 PM GMT
    Maybe Apple will show everyone they are a great company with morals and donate that billion dollars they obviously did not need to charity. I don't understand how people can idolize this company, they are terrible.
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    Aug 26, 2012 6:01 PM GMT
    Oh the irony if Apple would face an antitrust lawsuit by the government lol They have simply become the original 1984 commercial they were portraying others as lol

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8
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    Aug 26, 2012 6:18 PM GMT
    SeanTheBull saidOh the irony if Apple would face an antitrust lawsuit by the government lol They have simply become the original 1984 commercial they were portraying others as lol

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8


    Samsung was already the target of anti-trust lawsuit...ironically fo suing apple over tech Apple had already paid for.
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    Aug 26, 2012 6:30 PM GMT
    was the jury then 'thanked' with free iPads and iPhones?
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    Aug 26, 2012 6:58 PM GMT
    And so the Apple V Samsung debate finally embroils the RealJock forums.

    Both sides had both good and bad legal arguments, and both sides played dirty. Plus, I felt a "jury of your peers," should have been an independent group of patent examiners/attorneys, electrical/computer/system engineers, and corporate representatives from other large tech companies who could go over the documents and have a firm understanding of the PDP, with each juror contributing some form of expertise to the discussion.

    Instead, we got Average Joe, who, most of them, don't understand the finer technical points and can be swayed by pathos rather than ethos. The system is imperfect. In the end, as my law professor always says: avoid a trial; juries are wild cards.

    In the end, it was two large corporations slugging it out in the legal system, with fans rooting on both sides. Was a fascinating social display.
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    Aug 26, 2012 7:05 PM GMT
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    This is just the beginning of the end!

    How do you compare Galaxy as a whole of the Universe V.S an Apple of Isaac Newton theory.
    if so which has greater significant of gravitation?

    Anyway this must be the works of that White witch!
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    Aug 26, 2012 7:15 PM GMT
    That 132 page internal Samsung document that was essentially saying, "We are doing this wrong, copy the Iphone" was the nail in the coffin.
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    Aug 26, 2012 7:16 PM GMT
    I still think it's a little weird that this was a trial by jury. Does the average person understand anything about patents?

    http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2012082510525390
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    Aug 26, 2012 7:18 PM GMT
    Justim saidwas the jury then 'thanked' with free iPads and iPhones?
    I'm pretty sure they already owned Apple products. The trial was in Silicone Valley. Apple had the home court advantage, so to speak.
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    Aug 26, 2012 7:43 PM GMT
    Studinprogress saidAnd so the Apple V Samsung debate finally embroils the RealJock forums.

    Both sides had both good and bad legal arguments, and both sides played dirty. Plus, I felt a "jury of your peers," should have been an independent group of patent examiners/attorneys, electrical/computer/system engineers, and corporate representatives from other large tech companies who could go over the documents and have a firm understanding of the PDP, with each juror contributing some form of expertise to the discussion.

    Instead, we got Average Joe, who, most of them, don't understand the finer technical points and can be swayed by pathos rather than ethos. The system is imperfect. In the end, as my law professor always says: avoid a trial; juries are wild cards.

    In the end, it was two large corporations slugging it out in the legal system, with fans rooting on both sides. Was a fascinating social display.


    The more the jury is exposed to the topic of the lawsuit the more likely they are to make a biased decision. In the end it's about how misleading Samsung's products can be to your regular Joe(majority of the population) not to your regular executive. Considering that actual executives at Samsung were the ones giving the order to "copy" as several internal documents can prove; Im not sure that knowledgeable executives from other companies and their pre-conceived executive views are the right jury for this particular lawsuit. I think, it would be pretty ironic...

    The jury voted based on the presented evidence by both parties and if u actually followed the case you will easily realize how sloppy Samsung's performance was. Getting sanctioned from left and right, releasing not admited evidence to the public in order to indirectly pursuate the jury in their favor, counter suing over tech that Apple payed through third party vendors under legal protection, destroying emails(potential evidence) and refusing to be aware of ANY of the internal documents that directly exposed their intentions to literally copy Apple's products. The case was also elavorated in a way that all members of the jury could understand. All members of the jury had access to every single hardware in the lawsuit, they were also given 3 days to deliberate and reach a conclusion. There was not biased, there was not a misinformed juror, just the evidence and a vote in favor of Apple or Samsung. I mean come on, the jury was shown a VIDEO of Samsung's executives where it clearly states that they intentionally wanted to copy Apple and Apple only. There was literally no way for Apple to lose the case, it was more about how much money Samsung had to pay up in damages. 1.05 billion is quite short of the 2.6b Apple requested an the reason why it wasn't any lower was because Samsung is guilty of INTENTIONALLY copying Apple.


    It is not that hard to come up with ur own shit. Ask Microsoft and Nokia
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    Aug 26, 2012 8:35 PM GMT
    Yup.

    http://gizmodo.com/343641/1960s-braun-products-hold-the-secrets-to-apples-future
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    Aug 26, 2012 10:19 PM GMT
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    Studinprogress saidAnd so the Apple V Samsung debate finally embroils the RealJock forums.

    Both sides had both good and bad legal arguments, and both sides played dirty. Plus, I felt a "jury of your peers," should have been an independent group of patent examiners/attorneys, electrical/computer/system engineers, and corporate representatives from other large tech companies who could go over the documents and have a firm understanding of the PDP, with each juror contributing some form of expertise to the discussion.

    Instead, we got Average Joe, who, most of them, don't understand the finer technical points and can be swayed by pathos rather than ethos. The system is imperfect. In the end, as my law professor always says: avoid a trial; juries are wild cards.

    In the end, it was two large corporations slugging it out in the legal system, with fans rooting on both sides. Was a fascinating social display.


    The more the jury is exposed to the topic of the lawsuit the more likely they are to make a biased decision. In the end it's about how misleading Samsung's products can be to your regular Joe(majority of the population) not to your regular executive. Considering that actual executives at Samsung were the ones giving the order to "copy" as several internal documents can prove; Im not sure that knowledgeable executives from other companies and their pre-conceived executive views are the right jury for this particular lawsuit. I think, it would be pretty ironic...

    The jury voted based on the presented evidence by both parties and if u actually followed the case you will easily realize how sloppy Samsung's performance was. Getting sanctioned from left and right, releasing not admited evidence to the public in order to indirectly pursuate the jury in their favor, counter suing over tech that Apple payed through third party vendors under legal protection, destroying emails(potential evidence) and refusing to be aware of ANY of the internal documents that directly exposed their intentions to literally copy Apple's products. The case was also elavorated in a way that all members of the jury could understand. All members of the jury had access to every single hardware in the lawsuit, they were also given 3 days to deliberate and reach a conclusion. There was not biased, there was not a misinformed juror, just the evidence and a vote in favor of Apple or Samsung. I mean come on, the jury was shown a VIDEO of Samsung's executives where it clearly states that they intentionally wanted to copy Apple and Apple only. There was literally no way for Apple to lose the case, it was more about how much money Samsung had to pay up in damages. 1.05 billion is quite short of the 2.6b Apple requested an the reason why it wasn't any lower was because Samsung is guilty of INTENTIONALLY copying Apple.


    It is not that hard to come up with ur own shit. Ask Microsoft and Nokia

    Where did you read "knowledgeable executives" in my post? I did not mention "executives" anywhere. I said representatives from other tech corporations/institutions, "electrical/computer/system engineers" and "patent examiners/attorneys."

    Hounding me rather hard for something I didn't say; plus, I didn't take any sides here, just gave my two-cents on our jury system, and that's it. Don't attack me; I'm an innocent Windows Phone user. * Makes Puppy Face*