Hooking Up and HIV/AIDS When You're Zero Feet Away - how app-based hookups are keeping HIV rates high among young men

  • metta

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    Aug 28, 2012 4:35 PM GMT
    Hooking Up and HIV/AIDS When You're Zero Feet Away

    http://www.advocate.com/commentary/2012/08/28/researchers-hooking-and-hiv-when-you-are-zero-feet-away

    "The vast majority of respondents considers barebacking, or unprotected anal sex, to be dangerous. Yet 46.4% of respondents have engaged in bareback sex"

    "Among those who practice sex without condoms, 84% said it was because condoms decrease the sensation of sex. Three-quarters say it’s because of impulsive sexual behavior, and 57% say it’s because they were under the influence of drugs. Half said it was because they already knew the HIV status of their partner."
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    Aug 28, 2012 5:21 PM GMT
    That's ridiculous. People my age should know better.
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    Aug 28, 2012 5:25 PM GMT
    People are easily getting caught up in the "convenience" factor that these apps provide without considering how inconvenient it'll be for them if they aren't playing safe.
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    Aug 28, 2012 5:29 PM GMT
    These guys got it!

    GOLD STARS*********
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    Aug 28, 2012 5:54 PM GMT
    I understand that app's provide an easier way to cruise more guys. As well as I can understand that impaired judgement while on drugs can lead to risky behavior sexually or otherwise.

    But does that mean that when cruising online guys are more likely to drop their standards and have sex with more guys? Yes I understand that more guys to easily cruise means more possibility of meeting for sex.

    Assuming that their judgement isn't impaired, they then engage in risky sexual behavior because they hooked up using an app vs offline? Are these guys less likely to engage in risky behavior if they cruise offline?

    I for one don't change my standards online or offline. As well as some that I've talked to complain about how picky and flaky guys are online just as they are offline. Perhaps even more-so online.

    To the rest of you guys who cruise online: do you drop your standards when cruising online to meet more guys for sex?
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    Aug 28, 2012 5:58 PM GMT
    the word of the day is "AIDS", please help spread the word
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    Aug 28, 2012 6:10 PM GMT
    HIV education isn't going to slow the spread.

    Being accepted wholly into society, will, because that will reduce the need for "discreet quickies" where neither partner has time to get protection if it's not readily available.
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    Aug 28, 2012 6:13 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidHIV education isn't going to slow the spread.

    Being accepted wholly into society, will, because that will reduce the need for "discreet quickies" where neither partner has time to get protection if it's not readily available.


    It isn't so much social acceptance of homosexuality that drives "discreet quickies", though - straights have those too.
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    Aug 28, 2012 6:16 PM GMT
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    paulflexes saidHIV education isn't going to slow the spread.

    Being accepted wholly into society, will, because that will reduce the need for "discreet quickies" where neither partner has time to get protection if it's not readily available.


    It isn't so much social acceptance of homosexuality that drives "discreet quickies", though - straights have those too.
    Yes, but straights are more likely to have a condom handy because they don't want to accidentally have a child.

    Or at least that's my theory. It would be interesting to see someone do a study on people who regularly have discreet quickies, and include all sexual orientations.
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    Aug 28, 2012 6:27 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    jim_stl said
    paulflexes saidHIV education isn't going to slow the spread.

    Being accepted wholly into society, will, because that will reduce the need for "discreet quickies" where neither partner has time to get protection if it's not readily available.


    It isn't so much social acceptance of homosexuality that drives "discreet quickies", though - straights have those too.
    Yes, but straights are more likely to have a condom handy because they don't want to accidentally have a child.

    Or at least that's my theory. It would be interesting to see someone do a study on people who regularly have discreet quickies, and include all sexual orientations.


    The trouble is that discreet quickies are discreet, so they're difficult to track. icon_smile.gif (but I'd be interested in the results of such a study too.)
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    Aug 28, 2012 6:45 PM GMT
    What I don't understand is the lack of apps that allow people to meet for dating. I am personally repelled by the transactional, shallow nature of these mobile apps and wouldn't want a profile on there by danger of association.

    But being able to filter people in the immediate area for a quick coffee to see if you like each other is a great idea, especially for gay guys. Since it's otherwise risky to just go up to a guy and ask him out, due to the whole heteronormative "I'm not gay, therefore I need to get worked up and offended over you asking me out" thing.
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    Aug 28, 2012 7:01 PM GMT
    metta8 saidHooking Up and HIV/AIDS When You're Zero Feet Away

    http://www.advocate.com/commentary/2012/08/28/researchers-hooking-and-hiv-when-you-are-zero-feet-away

    "The vast majority of respondents considers barebacking, or unprotected anal sex, to be dangerous. Yet 46.4% of respondents have engaged in bareback sex"

    "Among those who practice sex without condoms, 84% said it was because condoms decrease the sensation of sex. Three-quarters say it’s because of impulsive sexual behavior, and 57% say it’s because they were under the influence of drugs. Half said it was because they already knew the HIV status of their partner."


    *Sigh* ~_~ My generation is doomed. I'm going to grow up and be all alone. D:

    principal0 saidWhat I don't understand is the lack of apps that allow people to meet for dating. I am personally repelled by the transactional, shallow nature of these mobile apps and wouldn't want a profile on there by danger of association.

    But being able to filter people in the immediate area for a quick coffee to see if you like each other is a great idea, especially for gay guys. Since it's otherwise risky to just go up to a guy and ask him out, due to the whole heteronormative "I'm not gay, therefore I need to get worked up and offended over you asking me out" thing.


    Yes, however, few ever are interested in merely coffee or conversation for that matter. The apps are a breeding ground for snap-engagements without attachments. I had a few profiles thinking in the 'good' of what they were meant to be utilized as-- opportunities to meet and socialize with other men. Little did I know that it was actually a terrible idea and that most of these apps attract the same ole same ole: desperate 20-30 something looking for a quick bang. Many of the 40 pluses think themselves as being the 'cool hot dads who look young for their age'. You don't know how many of them think they are younger than what they really are. icon_rolleyes.gif

    That said, the art of conversation is diminishing and being replaced by interfaces for quick chats. Most guys want to get together with the other guy without getting to actually know them better (and I don't mean Biblically). I even asked a friend on there I knew and he said "it's pointless to waste your time trying to get know them better. They want to see if they click immediately or not." The place is filled with trolls and trollops. icon_confused.gif
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    Aug 28, 2012 7:03 PM GMT
    principal0 saidWhat I don't understand is the lack of apps that allow people to meet for dating.

    I think the app's, at least the initial ones, were primarily designed/marketed for social networking/dating. But whats a gay anything without sex getting involved? It's a known fact that guys do not think with the head on their shoulders. They think with the other smaller one. icon_razz.gif
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    Aug 28, 2012 7:10 PM GMT
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    principal0 saidWhat I don't understand is the lack of apps that allow people to meet for dating.

    I think the app's, at least the initial ones, were primarily designed/marketed for social networking/dating. But whats a gay anything without sex getting involved? It's a known fact that guys do not think with the head on their shoulders. They think with the other smaller one. icon_razz.gif


    Smaller indeed. icon_rolleyes.gif

    I mean, amen! icon_smile.gif
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    Aug 28, 2012 7:10 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidHIV education isn't going to slow the spread."


    HIV EDUCATION...........DOES.......NOT...........EXIST !

    It doesn't exist at an effective level:

    "The vast majority of respondents considers barebacking, or UNPROTECTED ANAL SEX TO BE DANGEROUS . Yet 46.4% of respondents have engaged in bareback sex"

    THESE STATISTICS----46.4%-----having engaged in bareback sex......show a serious lack of HIV Education.







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    Aug 28, 2012 7:20 PM GMT
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    principal0 saidWhat I don't understand is the lack of apps that allow people to meet for dating.

    I think the app's, at least the initial ones, were primarily designed/marketed for social networking/dating. But whats a gay anything without sex getting involved? It's a known fact that guys do not think with the head on their shoulders. They think with the other smaller one. icon_razz.gif


    Smaller indeed. icon_rolleyes.gif

    I mean, amen! icon_smile.gif


    You would just imagine that a service would exist for the subsegment of the population that wanted to actually make gay friends/pursue relationships. And you do need a differentiated brand and interface for that purpose.

    Ugh, I need to go to the gym and stop thinking about how depressing people are.
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    Aug 28, 2012 7:34 PM GMT
    JR_RJ saidThese guys got it!

    GOLD STARS*********

    My grandmother was a Gold Star Mother, an organization for mothers who lost their sons in combat. They'd receive a small flag with a gold star, that typically was hung in a window of their house. Her son, my namesake uncle, was killed during WWII in France.

    I hope the mothers of guys practicing bareback sex don't also end up with gold stars. icon_sad.gif
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    Aug 28, 2012 7:55 PM GMT
    principal0 said
    ParadiseLost said
    TellMeMoar said
    principal0 saidWhat I don't understand is the lack of apps that allow people to meet for dating.

    I think the app's, at least the initial ones, were primarily designed/marketed for social networking/dating. But whats a gay anything without sex getting involved? It's a known fact that guys do not think with the head on their shoulders. They think with the other smaller one. icon_razz.gif


    Smaller indeed. icon_rolleyes.gif

    I mean, amen! icon_smile.gif


    You would just imagine that a service would exist for the subsegment of the population that wanted to actually make gay friends/pursue relationships. And you do need a differentiated brand and interface for that purpose.

    Ugh, I need to go to the gym and stop thinking about how depressing people are.

    But thats just it. The service does exist. It all depends on what one is looking for and your profile can state that clearly. As well how you use the app.

    No matter what the interface it boils down to 2 guys messaging each other privately. Unless they monitor that conversation and enforce the rules, the conversation can go in any number of directions.

    Saying that "a service would exist for the subsegment of the population that wanted to actually make gay friends/pursue relationships" is like saying the you want a bar/club for "the subsegment of the population that wanted to actually make gay friends/pursue relationships. No hooks ups allowed". How do you suggest they enforce the rules? So it isnt really upto them. It upto you as to how you use the tool/system/app.
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    Aug 28, 2012 7:56 PM GMT
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    TellMeMoar said
    principal0 saidWhat I don't understand is the lack of apps that allow people to meet for dating.

    I think the app's, at least the initial ones, were primarily designed/marketed for social networking/dating. But whats a gay anything without sex getting involved? It's a known fact that guys do not think with the head on their shoulders. They think with the other smaller one. icon_razz.gif


    Smaller indeed. icon_rolleyes.gif

    I mean, amen! icon_smile.gif

    aaight Mr.Tripod, wanna show us watcha got??!! icon_twisted.gif
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    Aug 28, 2012 8:02 PM GMT
    Quoting .. "Interestingly, half of respondents concurred with the statement “AIDS is now a common and manageable disease.” " !!
    who said so icon_confused.gif
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    Aug 28, 2012 8:13 PM GMT
    TellMeMoar said
    ParadiseLost said
    TellMeMoar said
    principal0 saidWhat I don't understand is the lack of apps that allow people to meet for dating.

    I think the app's, at least the initial ones, were primarily designed/marketed for social networking/dating. But whats a gay anything without sex getting involved? It's a known fact that guys do not think with the head on their shoulders. They think with the other smaller one. icon_razz.gif


    Smaller indeed. icon_rolleyes.gif

    I mean, amen! icon_smile.gif

    aaight Mr.Tripod, wanna show us watcha got??!! icon_twisted.gif


    Lmao. Tripod? Me? Naaaaaaw. I think I am average but the men who would claim to be a certain size would get magical penis reductions overnight. ;)

    I do agree with what you stated above. The place may have been seemingly benign as a place-- a place where one could socialise and meet other gays but it soon became a breeding ground for rolls and trollops. It's sort of a chicken or the egg dilemma I think. Still the place is no longer what it used to be, for the most part-- at least not in my experience. The vast majority are looking for sex, then again, I suppose that's not different than any other gay place. if people Do't regulate the place, people will hook up. it seems to be the default nature of most gay men.
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    Aug 28, 2012 8:25 PM GMT
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    metta8 saidHooking Up and HIV/AIDS When You're Zero Feet Away

    http://www.advocate.com/commentary/2012/08/28/researchers-hooking-and-hiv-when-you-are-zero-feet-away

    "The vast majority of respondents considers barebacking, or unprotected anal sex, to be dangerous. Yet 46.4% of respondents have engaged in bareback sex"

    "Among those who practice sex without condoms, 84% said it was because condoms decrease the sensation of sex. Three-quarters say it’s because of impulsive sexual behavior, and 57% say it’s because they were under the influence of drugs. Half said it was because they already knew the HIV status of their partner."


    *Sigh* ~_~ My generation is doomed. I'm going to grow up and be all alone. D:

    principal0 saidWhat I don't understand is the lack of apps that allow people to meet for dating. I am personally repelled by the transactional, shallow nature of these mobile apps and wouldn't want a profile on there by danger of association.

    But being able to filter people in the immediate area for a quick coffee to see if you like each other is a great idea, especially for gay guys. Since it's otherwise risky to just go up to a guy and ask him out, due to the whole heteronormative "I'm not gay, therefore I need to get worked up and offended over you asking me out" thing.


    Yes, however, few ever are interested in merely coffee or conversation for that matter. The apps are a breeding ground for snap-engagements without attachments. I had a few profiles thinking in the 'good' of what they were meant to be utilized as-- opportunities to meet and socialize with other men. Little did I know that it was actually a terrible idea and that most of these apps attract the same ole same ole: desperate 20-30 something looking for a quick bang. Many of the 40 pluses think themselves as being the 'cool hot dads who look young for their age'. You don't know how many of them think they are younger than what they really are. icon_rolleyes.gif

    That said, the art of conversation is diminishing and being replaced by interfaces for quick chats. Most guys want to get together with the other guy without getting to actually know them better (and I don't mean Biblically). I even asked a friend on there I knew and he said "it's pointless to waste your time trying to get know them better. They want to see if they click immediately or not." The place is filled with trolls and trollops. icon_confused.gif


    You are not alone in this matter. I'm an old fashion gay who believe in romance and courtship
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    Aug 29, 2012 12:57 AM GMT
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    metta8 saidHooking Up and HIV/AIDS When You're Zero Feet Away

    http://www.advocate.com/commentary/2012/08/28/researchers-hooking-and-hiv-when-you-are-zero-feet-away

    "The vast majority of respondents considers barebacking, or unprotected anal sex, to be dangerous. Yet 46.4% of respondents have engaged in bareback sex"

    "Among those who practice sex without condoms, 84% said it was because condoms decrease the sensation of sex. Three-quarters say it’s because of impulsive sexual behavior, and 57% say it’s because they were under the influence of drugs. Half said it was because they already knew the HIV status of their partner."


    *Sigh* ~_~ My generation is doomed. I'm going to grow up and be all alone. D:

    principal0 saidWhat I don't understand is the lack of apps that allow people to meet for dating. I am personally repelled by the transactional, shallow nature of these mobile apps and wouldn't want a profile on there by danger of association.

    But being able to filter people in the immediate area for a quick coffee to see if you like each other is a great idea, especially for gay guys. Since it's otherwise risky to just go up to a guy and ask him out, due to the whole heteronormative "I'm not gay, therefore I need to get worked up and offended over you asking me out" thing.


    Yes, however, few ever are interested in merely coffee or conversation for that matter. The apps are a breeding ground for snap-engagements without attachments. I had a few profiles thinking in the 'good' of what they were meant to be utilized as-- opportunities to meet and socialize with other men. Little did I know that it was actually a terrible idea and that most of these apps attract the same ole same ole: desperate 20-30 something looking for a quick bang. Many of the 40 pluses think themselves as being the 'cool hot dads who look young for their age'. You don't know how many of them think they are younger than what they really are. icon_rolleyes.gif

    That said, the art of conversation is diminishing and being replaced by interfaces for quick chats. Most guys want to get together with the other guy without getting to actually know them better (and I don't mean Biblically). I even asked a friend on there I knew and he said "it's pointless to waste your time trying to get know them better. They want to see if they click immediately or not." The place is filled with trolls and trollops. icon_confused.gif


    You are not alone in this matter. I'm an old fashion gay who believe in romance and courtship


    Me too. *Sigh* We are a dying breed. icon_neutral.gif Where are the other old fashioned types like us? I don't need a knight in shining armor on some steed. I might throw a tomato at him or something if he tried to save me especially 'coz I'm the type that saves others any who. icon_razz.gif

    I just want a nice guy who looks nice too. icon_smile.gif Not unlike you! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Aug 29, 2012 12:59 AM GMT
    There is a guy I know who has HIV who is on almost all the gay dating apps on the smart phone so knowing this he has probably slept with most of them so I stay away from guys on apps like that.
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    Aug 29, 2012 2:06 AM GMT
    JustStarted92 saidThere is a guy I know who has HIV who is on almost all the gay dating apps on the smart phone so knowing this he has probably slept with most of them so I stay away from guys on apps like that.


    Good for you. icon_biggrin.gif You're better off not being infected by their sleeziness anywho. icon_smile.gif