'Exercise Does Not Make You Less Depressed'

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    Aug 29, 2012 1:38 PM GMT
    Interesting new study... which contradicts others which had more specific measures and observed exercise rather than self reported exercise.

    http://www.bmj.com/content/344/bmj.e2758

    "Results: There was no evidence that participants offered the physical activity intervention reported improvement in mood by the four month follow-up point compared with those in the usual care group; adjusted between group difference in mean Beck depression inventory score −0.54 (95% confidence interval −3.06 to 1.99; P=0.6icon_cool.gif. Similarly, there was no evidence that the intervention group reported a change in mood by the eight and 12 month follow-up points. Nor was there evidence that the intervention reduced antidepressant use compared with usual care (adjusted odds ratio 0.63, 95% confidence interval 0.19 to 2.06; P=0.44) over the duration of the trial. However, participants allocated to the intervention group reported more physical activity during the follow-up period than those allocated to the usual care group (adjusted odds ratio 2.27, 95% confidence interval 1.32 to 3.89; P=0.003)."

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    Aug 29, 2012 2:13 PM GMT
    Right.. so the "intervention" group didn't really get a whole lot of exercise assistance by the sounds of it..


    Interventions In addition to usual care, intervention participants were offered up to three face to face sessions and 10 telephone calls with a trained physical activity facilitator over eight months. The intervention was based on theory and aimed to provide individually tailored support and encouragement to engage in physical activity.

    How Lame,

    32 Weeks and all they got were three face to face sessions and 10 telephone calls..

    Sure, that'll help.icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Aug 29, 2012 2:27 PM GMT
    New study: eating better doesn´t lead to weight loss!

    Over 32 weeks obese people ate better for three meals and thought about eating better a further 10 times. This made no difference to their weight, clearly demonstrating that eating well has no relationship to obesity.

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    Aug 29, 2012 3:04 PM GMT
    Doesn't read like a whole lot of exercising occurred but who knows since they didn't specify unless I missed it.
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    Aug 29, 2012 3:20 PM GMT
    This study had so many confounding factors that I'm almost surprised it was ever published. The following chart, from that publication, shows the criteria by which participants were randomized into the two groups of participants. Telling are the numbers who drop out, and the fact that any participant was free to start using anti-depressants at any point during the study, but not before. I hope professionals are astute enough to take it with a grain of salt, or whatever it's really worth.

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    Aug 29, 2012 3:24 PM GMT
    Check to see who funded the study. No doubt drug companies.

    I have seen yoga turn around depression so many times that my Yoga teacher now has Yoga classes for Grief and Depression.
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    Aug 29, 2012 3:28 PM GMT
    I conducted my own study and I found out that I feel much better when I'm active and exercising.
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    Aug 29, 2012 4:07 PM GMT
    kapow saidI conducted my own study and I found out that I feel much better when I'm active and exercising.
    +1
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    Aug 29, 2012 4:18 PM GMT

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    Aug 29, 2012 4:28 PM GMT
    Haha, studies are funny... cause they may change what you think about whatever they supposedly discovered in a small selected portion of the populace; but they can't change how you personally affect by the subject at hand.
    Someone can say that caffeine is bad for you, but unless you don't have the factors that make it really inherently inconvenient to digest, any conclusive study on other people and their bodies may be absolutely irrelevant to you. Actually, I have my own reactions to different sources of caffeine myself. This just being an example, not a change of subject mind you.

    As for this study... From the Abstract: "Objective: To investigate the effectiveness of facilitated physical activity as an adjunctive treatment for adults with depression presenting in primary care."

    Umm, seems the test subjects have a predisposition for not being very motivated to begin with, and lack the same vitality as a younger healthier body may have.

    You sir, have taken this story out of context, possibly on accident, by not analyzing it further and generalizing the results to a larger more varied population.

    IMHO* Exercise makes me more upbeat, aware, and has actually been the main reason I don't depend on depression medicine to be happy... aside from all you RJ clowns! Lol.
    Depression that keeps me from going to gym, keeps me from experiencing the results of being healthy. Not going to take a study on half assed interested test subjects as gold, mister.

    Thanks for posting! icon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gif
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    Aug 29, 2012 4:46 PM GMT
    Looks like I found something else of value on your link:

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    Aug 29, 2012 4:55 PM GMT
    Exercise and healthy eating sure help my mood. In past studies that I've seen it did not say that exercise cures depression, but that one has a temporary lift from depression during the period of exercise and the hour or so following exercise. For a truly depressed person, this is quite significant -- to feel good for a short while without resorting to booze or drugs.
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    Aug 29, 2012 4:56 PM GMT
    Too bad for them. Exercise is great for me.
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    Aug 29, 2012 5:48 PM GMT
    Trollileo said
    kapow saidI conducted my own study and I found out that I feel much better when I'm active and exercising.
    I think for me it's the thrill of athleticism. When I'm just lifting I feel like I'm going through the motions, but when I play any type of sport I get a huge rush of "I'm kicking ass right now and nothing's gonna stop us."



    I get it from both. Just with weightlifting you are competing against yourself from yesterday rather than another person. Sometimes it can be more intense...
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    Aug 29, 2012 5:54 PM GMT
    exercise does not make you less depressed, but we have a pill for that
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    Aug 29, 2012 6:00 PM GMT
    icon_rolleyes.gif This study is invalid if it works for you. Exercise that is.
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    Aug 29, 2012 6:08 PM GMT
    kapow saidI conducted my own study and I found out that I feel much better when I'm active and exercising.


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    Aug 29, 2012 6:14 PM GMT
    mild exercise will NOT do it. This is a BS study. How many men here do intense workouts and cardio and feel better IE: Your mood, sex drive/increased libido, better sleep.icon_idea.gificon_idea.gificon_idea.gificon_idea.gificon_idea.gif
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    Aug 29, 2012 6:24 PM GMT
    Correction. Mild exercise doesn't do it for you, Mike. icon_wink.gif

    I know I always feel good (usually a little sore afterwards. LOL) when I have a decent workout whether it be mild or intense.
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    Aug 30, 2012 12:16 AM GMT
    It's has definitely helped with mine.
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    Aug 30, 2012 12:25 AM GMT
    riddler78 saidInteresting new study... which contradicts others which had more specific measures and observed exercise rather than self reported exercise.

    http://www.bmj.com/content/344/bmj.e2758

    "Results: There was no evidence that participants offered the physical activity intervention reported improvement in mood by the four month follow-up point compared with those in the usual care group; adjusted between group difference in mean Beck depression inventory score −0.54 (95% confidence interval −3.06 to 1.99; P=0.6icon_cool.gif. Similarly, there was no evidence that the intervention group reported a change in mood by the eight and 12 month follow-up points. Nor was there evidence that the intervention reduced antidepressant use compared with usual care (adjusted odds ratio 0.63, 95% confidence interval 0.19 to 2.06; P=0.44) over the duration of the trial. However, participants allocated to the intervention group reported more physical activity during the follow-up period than those allocated to the usual care group (adjusted odds ratio 2.27, 95% confidence interval 1.32 to 3.89; P=0.003)."

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    http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4446400


    And where's the exercise? LOL I mean come on. icon_rolleyes.gif

    This seems to be a completely unsubstantiated study/conclusion. And patently false. I think we can all attest, (those of us that workout that is), to the contrary.
    I actually feel depressed if I don't get to the gym during the week, and feel 100 % better mentally and physically every time I do go and workout. (And I'm not even built.)

    Quite surprised, OP, that you would even give this any attention at all. icon_eek.gif
    You obviously workout. You have to know this is not a valid study.

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    Aug 30, 2012 12:32 AM GMT
    Exercise gives you endorphins. Endorphins make you happy. Happy people just don't shoot their husbands, they just don't.

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    Aug 30, 2012 12:45 AM GMT
    Jay_Goya saidExercise gives you endorphins. Endorphins make you happy. Happy people just don't shoot their husbands, they just don't.

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    This is true, but sometimes shooting your husband can make a person happier than exercise, if he's an asshole. icon_twisted.gif
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    Aug 30, 2012 12:49 AM GMT
    ^^^ icon_biggrin.gif

    Also, it seems riddler78's MO is to take an opposing stance on common sense issues and post crackpot studies (which are flawed and full of issues) which end up only weakening his position. icon_razz.gif


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    Aug 30, 2012 3:39 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    kapow saidI conducted my own study and I found out that I feel much better when I'm active and exercising.
    +1


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