FOX News calls Ryan a LIAR

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    Aug 30, 2012 3:38 PM GMT
    Holy cow!

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/

    ...to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. On this measure, while it was Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned the gold.
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    On the other hand, to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. On this measure, while it was Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned the gold.

    The good news is that the Romney-Ryan campaign has likely created dozens of new jobs among the legions of additional fact checkers that media outlets are rushing to hire to sift through the mountain of cow dung that flowed from Ryan’s mouth. Said fact checkers have already condemned certain arguments that Ryan still irresponsibly repeated.

    Fact: While Ryan tried to pin the downgrade of the United States’ credit rating on spending under President Obama, the credit rating was actually downgraded because Republicans threatened not to raise the debt ceiling.

    Fact: While Ryan blamed President Obama for the shut down of a GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin, the plant was actually closed under President George W. Bush. Ryan actually asked for federal spending to save the plant, while Romney has criticized the auto industry bailout that President Obama ultimately enacted to prevent other plants from closing.

    Fact: Though Ryan insisted that President Obama wants to give all the credit for private sector success to government, that isn't what the president said. Period.

    Fact: Though Paul Ryan accused President Obama of taking $716 billion out of Medicare, the fact is that that amount was savings in Medicare reimbursement rates (which, incidentally, save Medicare recipients out-of-pocket costs, too) and Ryan himself embraced these savings in his budget plan.

    Elections should be about competing based on your record in the past and your vision for the future, not competing to see who can get away with the most lies and distortions without voters noticing or bother to care. Both parties should hold themselves to that standard. Republicans should be ashamed that there was even one misrepresentation in Ryan’s speech but sadly, there were many.



    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/#ixzz252u727Yj
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    Aug 30, 2012 4:08 PM GMT
    This analysis was done by an independent team of journalists and economists and appeared in the Associated Press:

    WASHINGTON (AP) - Laying out the first plans for his party's presidential ticket, GOP vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan took some factual shortcuts Wednesday night when he attacked President Barack Obama's policies on Medicare, the economic stimulus and the budget deficit.
    A closer look at some of the words spoken at the GOP convention in Tampa, Fla.:
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    RYAN: "And the biggest, coldest power play of all in Obamacare came at the expense of the elderly. ... So they just took it all away from Medicare. Seven hundred and sixteen billion dollars, funneled out of Medicare by President Obama."

    THE FACTS: Ryan's claim ignores the fact that Ryan himself incorporated the same cuts into budgets he steered through the House in the past two years as chairman of its Budget Committee, using the money for deficit reduction. And the cuts do not affect Medicare recipients directly, but rather reduce payments to hospitals, health insurance plans and other service providers.

    In addition, Ryan's own plan to remake Medicare would squeeze the program's spending even more than the changes Obama made, shifting future retirees into a system in which they would get a fixed payment to shop for coverage among private insurance plans. Critics charge that would expose the elderly to more out-of-pocket costs.
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    RYAN: "The stimulus was a case of political patronage, corporate welfare and cronyism at their worst. You, the working men and women of this country, were cut out of the deal."

    THE FACTS: Ryan himself asked for stimulus funds shortly after Congress approved the $800 billion plan, known as the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Ryan's pleas to federal agencies included letters to Energy Secretary Steven Chu and Labor Secretary Hilda Solis seeking stimulus grant money for two Wisconsin energy conservation companies.

    One of them, the nonprofit Wisconsin Energy Conservation Corp., received $20.3 million from the Energy Department to help homes and businesses improve energy efficiency, according to federal records. That company, he said in his letter, would build "sustainable demand for green jobs." Another eventual recipient, the Energy Center of Wisconsin, received about $365,000.
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    RYAN: Said Obama misled people in Ryan's hometown of Janesville, Wis., by making them think a General Motors plant there threatened with closure could be saved. "A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: 'I believe that if our government is there to support you ... this plant will be here for another hundred years.' That's what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn't last another year."

    THE FACTS: The plant halted production in December 2008, weeks before Obama took office and well before he enacted a more robust auto industry bailout that rescued GM and Chrysler and allowed the majority of their plants - though not the Janesville facility - to stay in operation. Ryan himself voted for an auto bailout under President George W. Bush that was designed to help GM, but he was a vocal critic of the one pushed through by Obama that has been widely credited with revitalizing both GM and Chrysler.
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    RYAN: Obama "created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way and then did exactly nothing."

    THE FACTS: It's true that Obama hasn't heeded his commission's recommendations, but Ryan's not the best one to complain. He was a member of the commission and voted against its final report.
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    Aug 30, 2012 8:13 PM GMT
    It wasn't only the amount of deliberate lies that Ryan told.
    It wasn't only the fact that he's told these lies in the past and has been corrected - and is still telling them.
    What was really offensive was the fact that several of the lies that Ryan blamed President Obama for are things that Paul Ryan himself is guilty of.

    How do you stand there on national television with your Mom and God watching - and lie so shamelessly obviously and in such a hypocritical self-serving way?

    It was insulting to the intelligence of the American people.
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    Aug 30, 2012 8:26 PM GMT
    RickRick91 saidIt wasn't only the amount of deliberate lies that Ryan told.
    It wasn't only the fact that he's told these lies in the past and has been corrected - and is still telling them.
    What was really offensive was the fact that several of the lies that Ryan blamed President Obama for are things that Paul Ryan himself is guilty of.

    How do you stand there on national television with your Mom and God watching - and lie so shamelessly obviously and in such a hypocritical self-serving way?

    It was insulting to the intelligence of the American people.


    Who was the wise persons that said [and I'm paraphrasing here]: "If you hit people over the head long enough, they forget who is hitting them and what about."

    Its a sad day when lies and disception are funadmentally accepted by anyone as the real truth.

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    Aug 30, 2012 9:11 PM GMT
    First of all she is a leftwing pundit. Just because she works for Fox doesn't mean it's Fox news officially saying this.

    Secondly, she and the Washington Post are wrong about about the plant closing under Bush, it closed under Obama. Production was somewhat halted in December of 08 and then completely halted in April. Obama did speak at the plant and give somewhat of a promise that it wouldn't be closed down. In 2011 they confirmed that it would not reopen.
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    Aug 30, 2012 9:17 PM GMT
    http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/aug/29/paul-ryan/did-barack-obama-break-promise-keep-gm-plant-open/
    http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/aug/29/paul-ryan/did-barack-obama-break-promise-keep-gm-plant-open/
    By December 2008, when President George W. Bush authorized nearly $14 billion in loans to General Motors and Chrysler, both of which were near financial collapse, GM had already warned it might close the Janesville plant because of sagging sport-utility vehicle sales. The plant was effectively shut down on Dec. 23, 2008, when GM ceased production of SUVs there and laid off 1,200 workers. (Several dozen workers stayed on another four months to finish an order of small- to medium-duty trucks for Isuzu Motors.)

    So, the plant closed while Bush was still in office, about a month before Obama was inaugurated.
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    Seifert cited this portion of a February 2008 campaign speech then-Sen. Obama gave at the Janesville plant:

    "And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years. The question is not whether a clean energy economy is in our future, it’s where it will thrive. I want it to thrive right here in the United States of America; right here in Wisconsin; and that’s the future I’ll fight for as your president."

    That's a statement of belief that, with government help, the Janesville plant could remain open -- but not a promise to keep it open.

    Seifert also referred us to Brendan Buck, a spokesman for the Romney-Ryan campaign. Buck cited a Detroit News article on the same speech, saying the article made clear that "it was the takeaway from the event that (Obama) was pledging to keep the plant open if he got his bailout."

    That might have been Buck's interpretation. But the article reported that Obama, who later provided an $80 billion auto bailout, had pledged to help keep the Janesville plant and others like it "viable." That's not quite the same thing as pledging keep the Janesville plant open. We find nothing in the article that he explicitly promised to keep it open.


    If a dozen people still working at plant constitutes a plant being open, then nobody would have to close any plants at all.
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    Aug 30, 2012 9:21 PM GMT
    Where was Ryan when Bush was in the White House?
    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/08/30/776711/bush-administration-gm-ryan/
    White House Press Secretary Dana Perino even praised it as evidence of GM “adapting well:”

    The White House called the announcement a sign that the auto giant was “adapting well” to market shifts.

    “It’s a sign that Detroit continues to adapt and evolve and address the change in consumer tastes and attitudes. And I think that they’re adapting well,” spokeswoman Dana Perino said.

    “And they’ll make these changes, and hopefully be able to pull themselves up out of what has been a rough several years,” she said. …

    GM plans to shutter production at its Toluca, Mexico, pickup truck at the end of the year and its Oshawa, Canada plant will be closed in 2009. Plants in Moraine, Ohio and Janesville, Wisconsin, are slated for closure in 2010 “or sooner if market demand dictates,” GM said.


    So the GM bailout was variously labeled as a government handout or a takeover of private businesses by the government, both of which are so derided by the GOP, but yet Ryan chides Obama for not giving Janesville part of the handout? Get it straight for goodness' sake.
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    Aug 30, 2012 9:48 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidFirst of all she is a leftwing pundit. Just because she works for Fox doesn't mean it's Fox news officially saying this.

    Secondly, she and the Washington Post are wrong about about the plant closing under Bush, it closed under Obama. Production was somewhat halted in December of 08 and then completely halted in April. Obama did speak at the plant and give somewhat of a promise that it wouldn't be closed down. In 2011 they confirmed that it would not reopen.
    He did?

    What part of THIS says that?

    The Detroit News pointed out that Obama made no such promise in the February 13, 2008, speech, and indeed, we've seen no account suggesting that Obama did. Here is the quote at issue, according to an account kept by the Council on Foreign Relations:

    "I know that General Motors received some bad news yesterday, and I know how hard your governor has fought to keep jobs in this plant. But I also know how much progress you've made -- how many hybrids and fuel-efficient vehicles you're churning out," Obama said. "And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years."


    Read it again and again.. he never 'somewhat' gave any promises of keeping that plant open.icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Aug 30, 2012 9:51 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidFirst of all she is a leftwing pundit. Just because she works for Fox doesn't mean it's Fox news officially saying this.

    Secondly, she and the Washington Post are wrong about about the plant closing under Bush, it closed under Obama. Production was somewhat halted in December of 08 and then completely halted in April. Obama did speak at the plant and give somewhat of a promise that it wouldn't be closed down. In 2011 they confirmed that it would not reopen.


    Mocktwinkie is on the Ryan "I cannot tell the truth" plan.

    Several news outlets are pointing out that by December 2008 the Janesville plant was past the point of no return and no federal action could have stopped it from closing. Nothing closes in a day, but the decision to stop operating and what GM described as the "idling" of the plant did not happen under Obama. Ryan lied, and you're wrong.

    My favorite lie was Paul Ryan claiming that Obama raided Medicaire. In fact, Obama took savings from Medicaire to protect healthcare for everybody. Ryan took the SAME cuts and directed them to tax cuts for the rich so that the mega-wealthy like Romney can pay even LESS in taxes than they already do. For Ryan to criticize Obama on these Medicaire cuts is the height of dishonesty.

    But then again, Ryan proved to even FOX News last night that nothing he says is to be believed. What a liar.
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    Aug 30, 2012 10:10 PM GMT
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    candidate Obama said: ‘I believe that if our government is there to support you.… this plant will be here for another hundred years.’ That’s what he said in 2008,” continued Ryan. “Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year.”

    True. Obama spoke the words that Ryan quoted. But Ryan’s clear suggestion that Obama—or his policies—had something to do with the plant closure was a lie.

    The government that was not there to support the Janesville workers was the administration of George W. Bush. GM announced and implemented the closure of the plant during Bush’s presidency.

    When a newly elected President Obama rushed to save the domestic auto industry, and perhaps to renew the prospects of shuttered plants like the one in Janesville, the man whose campaign Ryan is now propping up wrote an op-ed titled “Let Detroit [and, presumably Janesville] Go Bankrupt.”

    And since we’re on the subject of government failing the workers in Paul Ryan’s hometown, surely it is relevant to bring up the congressman’s repeated votes for free-trade agreements that members of Janesville’s United Auto Workers Local 95 warned would undermine and ultimately shutter their workplace.

    A man who would use his hometown as a prop and then try to deceive the country about the causes of its circumstance has a certain appeal to Republican delegates who cut their political teeth making the case for trickle-down economics and weapons of mass destruction
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    Aug 30, 2012 10:12 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie saidFirst of all she is a leftwing pundit. Just because she works for Fox doesn't mean it's Fox news officially saying this.

    Secondly, she and the Washington Post are wrong about about the plant closing under Bush, it closed under Obama. Production was somewhat halted in December of 08 and then completely halted in April. Obama did speak at the plant and give somewhat of a promise that it wouldn't be closed down. In 2011 they confirmed that it would not reopen.


    Mocktwinkie is on the Ryan "I cannot tell the truth" plan.

    Several news outlets are pointing out that by December 2008 the Janesville plant was past the point of no return and no federal action could have stopped it from closing. Nothing closes in a day, but the decision to stop operating and what GM described as the "idling" of the plant did not happen under Obama. Ryan lied, and you're wrong.

    My favorite lie was Paul Ryan claiming that Obama raided Medicaire. In fact, Obama took savings from Medicaire to protect healthcare for everybody. Ryan took the SAME cuts and directed them to tax cuts for the rich so that the mega-wealthy like Romney can pay even LESS in taxes than they already do. For Ryan to criticize Obama on these Medicaire cuts is the height of dishonesty.

    But then again, Ryan proved to even FOX News last night that nothing he says is to be believed. What a liar.


    Nope. The point is that Obama made quasi promises about how he wasn't going to let it close and it did.
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    Aug 30, 2012 10:16 PM GMT
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    Nope. The point is that Obama made quasi promises about how he wasn't going to let it close and it did.


    No, the point was that Ryan's suggestion that Obama closed the plant is an outright, blatant lie, and that everybody on the planet knows it was a lie and that nothing Paul Ryan says can be trusted or believed.
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    Aug 30, 2012 11:17 PM GMT
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    Nope. The point is that Obama made quasi promises about how he wasn't going to let it close and it did.


    No, the point was that Ryan's suggestion that Obama closed the plant is an outright, blatant lie, and that everybody on the planet knows it was a lie and that nothing Paul Ryan says can be trusted or believed.


    He let it close which is tantamount to closing it. Ryan was right.
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    Aug 30, 2012 11:20 PM GMT
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    Nope. The point is that Obama made quasi promises about how he wasn't going to let it close and it did.


    No, the point was that Ryan's suggestion that Obama closed the plant is an outright, blatant lie, and that everybody on the planet knows it was a lie and that nothing Paul Ryan says can be trusted or believed.


    He let it close which is tantamount to closing it. Ryan was right.


    You're still lying. As has been pointed out multiple times by multiple people, by the time Obama took office there was no way to stop the close as GM had effectively ceased operations.

    Ryan was wrong: Obama did not close the plant. That was a lie. Your insistence that it was not a lie is a lie. Your insistence that Obama was responsible for the plants closing is a lie. And they are lies that are EASILY disproven.

    This shows yet again that conservatives are allergic to facts, much like their insistence that the earth is 6,000 years old, that being gay is a choice, and that women have magic vaginas that can kill rape sperm. Republicans have nuts where their brains should be.
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    Aug 30, 2012 11:38 PM GMT
    yourname2000 saidThe lies were stunning. I found myself getting mad at the TV, lol. Me and the BF were talking about it last night, how fucked-up the US system has become. The conventions have become snake-oil pitches shoveling lies into the waiting mouths of the true believers....there's precious little "fact checking" on the "news" because American news isn't intended to be informative anymore....it's "entertainment". So it's not until the debates that these pricks (on both sides) will be called to account on their bullshit.

    I think the GOP plan this year is to repeat the lies so often that they're accepted as truth long before the debates ever air.

    American politics have become a disgusting show. And unfortunately the Conservatives in Canada are trying to steal the GOP playbook. icon_mad.gif





    I was struck in exactly the same way you mention above !!! and what is so troubling about it is that they are coming close to winning by this strategy of lies
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    Aug 30, 2012 11:43 PM GMT
    Paul Ryan is a liar and has no integrity. Perfect choice for Romney's running mate. They belong together.
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    Aug 30, 2012 11:50 PM GMT
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    Nope. The point is that Obama made quasi promises about how he wasn't going to let it close and it did.


    No, the point was that Ryan's suggestion that Obama closed the plant is an outright, blatant lie, and that everybody on the planet knows it was a lie and that nothing Paul Ryan says can be trusted or believed.


    He let it close which is tantamount to closing it. Ryan was right.





    Bullshit.

    Paul Ryan's speech was a pack of lies.
    Obvious easily provable lies.

    Numerous fact checkers have verified the extreme dishonesty of the shsmeful display Ryan put on last night.

    http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/paul-ryan-fails----the-truth/2012/08/29/bbfe1eac-f254-11e1-b74c-84ed55e0300b_blog.html

    Ryan destroyed his reputation last night.
    The cred he had as a "serious" ideas guy has been blown to bits.
    He's revealed himself to be just another Repub politician who lies and spins and flip-flops - and who cannot be trusted.
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    Aug 31, 2012 12:57 AM GMT
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    mocktwinkie saidFirst of all she is a leftwing pundit. Just because she works for Fox doesn't mean it's Fox news officially saying this.

    Secondly, she and the Washington Post are wrong about about the plant closing under Bush, it closed under Obama. Production was somewhat halted in December of 08 and then completely halted in April. Obama did speak at the plant and give somewhat of a promise that it wouldn't be closed down. In 2011 they confirmed that it would not reopen.


    Mocktwinkie is on the Ryan "I cannot tell the truth" plan.

    Several news outlets are pointing out that by December 2008 the Janesville plant was past the point of no return and no federal action could have stopped it from closing. Nothing closes in a day, but the decision to stop operating and what GM described as the "idling" of the plant did not happen under Obama. Ryan lied, and you're wrong.

    My favorite lie was Paul Ryan claiming that Obama raided Medicaire. In fact, Obama took savings from Medicaire to protect healthcare for everybody. Ryan took the SAME cuts and directed them to tax cuts for the rich so that the mega-wealthy like Romney can pay even LESS in taxes than they already do. For Ryan to criticize Obama on these Medicaire cuts is the height of dishonesty.

    But then again, Ryan proved to even FOX News last night that nothing he says is to be believed. What a liar.


    Nope. The point is that Obama made quasi promises about how he wasn't going to let it close and it did.
    He did? WHERE mocktwinkletoes? WHERE? his 'speech' is quoted above? What? have you no balls to answer 'where'?icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Aug 31, 2012 12:59 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    TroyAthlete said
    mocktwinkie said
    Nope. The point is that Obama made quasi promises about how he wasn't going to let it close and it did.


    No, the point was that Ryan's suggestion that Obama closed the plant is an outright, blatant lie, and that everybody on the planet knows it was a lie and that nothing Paul Ryan says can be trusted or believed.


    He let it close which is tantamount to closing it. Ryan was right.
    OMG.. grow up kid.icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif
    Like any president can order a factory to stay open.. isnt that like dictatorship?
    I think the CEO at GM made that decision!
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    Aug 31, 2012 1:40 AM GMT
    When the Republicans have lost Faux News, they've lost the election.
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    Aug 31, 2012 1:41 AM GMT
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    Aug 31, 2012 2:05 AM GMT
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