Paul Ryan's Claim That He Ran A Marathon In Under Three Hours Is Another Lie!

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    Sep 02, 2012 12:34 AM GMT
    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/08/paul-ryan-marathon.html?mobify=0

    LOL
    This guy is a big bragger as well as a big liar.

    Next he'll be claiming he invented the internet!

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    Sep 02, 2012 12:39 AM GMT
    Probably not a lie, but an exaggeration from years of selective remembering. Often happens to the best of us. (Happens more frequently to the worst)
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    Sep 02, 2012 12:45 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidProbably not a lie, but an exaggeration from years of selective remembering. Often happens to the best of us. (Happens more frequently to the worst)





    I don't agree.
    For a runner - running a marathon in under three hours is a big deal.
    It's not something you would forget.
    And if you've never done it - you would know that you never achieved it.
    If I'd ever been able to finish a marathon in less than three hours - it would've been a huge accomplishment - and I'd never ever have forgotten it.

    There are things and details that we forget - but this isn't one of them.

    Ryan was bragging and embellishing and bullshitting to make himself look better.
    It was deliberate.

    And that's a huge character flaw.
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    Sep 02, 2012 1:14 AM GMT
    "A sociopath is typically defined as someone who lies incessantly to get their way and does so with little concern for others.

    A sociopath is often goal-oriented (i.e., lying is focused - it is done to get one's way).

    Sociopaths have little regard or respect for the rights and feelings of others.

    Sociopaths are often charming and charismatic, but they use their talented social skills in manipulative and self-centered ways."
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    Sep 02, 2012 2:03 AM GMT
    Webster666 said"A sociopath is typically defined as someone who lies incessantly to get their way and does so with little concern for others.

    A sociopath is often goal-oriented (i.e., lying is focused - it is done to get one's way).

    Sociopaths have little regard or respect for the rights and feelings of others.

    Sociopaths are often charming and charismatic, but they use their talented social skills in manipulative and self-centered ways."




    Yup.
    You've detailed some of Ryan's other character flaws.
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    Sep 17, 2012 4:33 PM GMT
    http://www.letsrun.com/2012/bill-walker-0912.php

    "Meet The Man Who... Started the Paul Ryan Marathon Controversy: Bill Walker"

    LetsRun.comWas Ryan flat out lying? If accounting for the delay it likely took to get to the start, had Ryan really run in the 3:50s and simply misspoke? Did he just not remember? That's up for you to decide.

    All we know is the guy who in many ways kick started this controversy into the national spotlight has not received any attention.

    He is LetsRun.com poster Bill Walker. On August 30th, Walker started a thread entitled, "Paul Ryan's marathon" with a simple post: "In an Aug. 22 interview by Hugh Hewitt, Representative Ryan said he had run a marathon in "two hour and fifty something." Does anyone know the marathon and the year?"

    Before you knew it, Runner's World's Scott Douglas had blogged about Ryan's interview, and soon it was national news. While Runner's World has gotten a lot of attention for this, we think Mr. Walker deserves some credit, as it was his post that got the running community looking into the veracity of Ryan's comment. If you don't believe us, Scott Douglas emailed Mr. Walker thanking him for his post.

    LetsRun.com emailed Mr. Walker to find out more about the man who... helped entertain us for a week. Mr. Walker is a lawyer at the oldest law-firm in North Carolina.


    LetsRun.com (LRC)LRC: Now let's turn to Paul Ryan. How did you hear about his claim of a sub 3 hour marathon? You must have been a little bit skeptical if you posted about it on letsrun.com. What were your thoughts when you started the thread?

    Bill Walker: I do not remember where I first read about the Hugh Hewitt interview; but, when I read the transcript, I was skeptical because everyone in my running world knows their marathon pr to at least the minute. No one would say "my marathon pr is two fifty-something." Still, a part of me thought he might have actually run a time in that range. All reports were that Congressman Ryan was very fitness-conscious and had been a personal trainer in his earlier years. I didn't know his running background. Anyway, I immediately thought of the letsrun.com message board and the multiple threads on runners suspected of cheating in races. I knew many of your regular posters had far more knowledge than me about how to check on someone's claimed race time. So, I posted part of Ryan's statement and asked a simple question: "Does anyone know the marathon and the year?" Poster "Randy Oldman" helped by almost immediately posting the full transcript of Ryan's statement.

    As I've watched the "Paul Ryan's marathon" thread explode and Runner's World, etc. pick up the story, I've asked myself why I posted my question in the first place, and I've decided that I just wanted to know. If he had really run a marathon in that range, I would be impressed because I know the effort that goes into a sub-three hour marathon. But, if he was lying or really stretching the truth, I thought that would be significant since he had just been nominated to run for Vice-President on the Republican ticket.

    LRC: Are you surprised with how much attention the matter has received? One little post on a message board has generated a lot of attention. Do many people know that you are the guy who kicked this whole thing off?

    Bill Walker: No. A Vice-Presidential nominee telling a verifiable lie about himself should attract a lot of attention. It speaks to his character, and that's relevant to the issue of whether someone should vote for Romney/Ryan in November.

    It was one little post, but every story has a starting point. The credit goes to the letsrun.com posters who jumped on the question and pointed out repeatedly that they could not find any proof of Ryan's claim -- which attracted the attention of Scott Douglas at Runner's World, who called the Congressman's campaign office and got the truth.

    My family, my running friends, and some of my law partners know about my starting the thread. My five minutes of fame.

    LRC: So what's your take on Paul Ryan's explanation on the discrepancy?

    Bill Walker: I don't believe him. I think he knew the truth about his one marathon when he gave the interview, and he just didn't care if he stretched the truth if it made him look better to potential voters.

    LRC: Do you think the marathon controversy will change people's vote?

    Bill Walker: I think it will affect the decisions of some undecided voters. As evidenced by the comments on the message board thread, if someone has already decided to vote for Romney/Ryan, this controversy will not change their vote.

    LRC: Let's turn to politics. Will you tell us who you're voting for?

    Bill Walker: I'm a registered Republican, but I'm voting for President Obama and Joe Biden. I think George Bush and the Republicans presided over the cause and the start of the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression, and President Obama and the Democrats have done a good job getting the economy headed in the right direction, despite total Republican opposition. Plus I am repelled by the Republican Party's embracing those people who hate the President because of his race/color and who want to abolish a woman's right to abortion and deny people's right to marry whomever they want to marry.


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  • rnch

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    Sep 17, 2012 4:52 PM GMT
    Anyone who would lie about something so easily confirmed or denied is either stupid or arrogant or just doesn't give a darn about what others think.

    None of the above are recommended qualities for a vice-president/presidential candidate.
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    Sep 17, 2012 4:54 PM GMT
    My fave forum responses so far:

    Under 3 hours? He must be Kenyan. Somebody, quick, check his birth certificate! icon_lol.gif

    There you libs go playing the race card again! icon_lol.gificon_lol.gif

    YOU DIDN'T RUN THAT! icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
  • thadjock

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    Sep 17, 2012 5:20 PM GMT
    it' makes me question if he was ever a runner at all....im not a runner and even i know what approximate record times are for a marathon.

    for a guy who's supposedly such a numbers geek/wizard seems like he would have known that statistic right off the top of his head.

    i'm looking forward to this little weasel gettin his ass handed to him in the debates.
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    Sep 17, 2012 5:29 PM GMT
    As some amateur runners have noted, most people have their marathon PB indelibly etched in their brain. Even if it was one marathon, 20 years ago.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19462506
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    Sep 17, 2012 6:07 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidAs some amateur runners have noted, most people have their marathon PB indelibly etched in their brain. Even if it was one marathon, 20 years ago.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19462506




    Yup.
    It was an obvious clumsy pointless lie that Ryan told.
    He was bragging to try to make himself look better.
    It revealed Ryan's inherent and habitual dishonesty.
  • thadjock

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    Sep 17, 2012 6:16 PM GMT
    RickRick91 said


    Yup.
    It was an obvious clumsy pointless lie that Ryan told.
    He was bragging to try to make himself look better.
    It revealed Ryan's inherent and habitual dishonesty.


    do u realise that you could substitute "sarah palin" for every "ryan" in that statement and it would still be 100% accurate?

    i think the republican's have a habit of lying when they don't really need to lie, about things that could never matter in the first place (why should i care if he ran a marathon at all, or if she only read the alaska times), but they senselessly embellish, and trap themselves. bizarre.

    conclusion: right wing politics self-selects for pathological liars.
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    Sep 17, 2012 7:27 PM GMT
    thadjock said
    RickRick91 said


    Yup.
    It was an obvious clumsy pointless lie that Ryan told.
    He was bragging to try to make himself look better.
    It revealed Ryan's inherent and habitual dishonesty.


    do u realise that you could substitute "sarah palin" for every "ryan" in that statement and it would still be 100% accurate?

    i think the republican's have a habit of lying when they don't really need to lie, about things that could never matter in the first place (why should i care if he ran a marathon at all, or if she only read the alaska times), but they senselessly embellish, and trap themselves. bizarre.

    conclusion: right wing politics self-selects for pathological liars.



    That would explain the behavior and lack of honesty of the gay Repubs too.
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    Sep 17, 2012 7:34 PM GMT
    And Obama was to claim he would bring America hope and change, and now it's without any cash, and the hope is that he will soon be gone.
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    Sep 17, 2012 7:53 PM GMT
    tru_blu_auzzie saidthe hope is that he will soon be gone.


    if u think 2016=soon
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    Sep 17, 2012 8:27 PM GMT
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    tru_blu_auzzie saidthe hope is that he will soon be gone.


    if u think 2016=soon




    LOL
    And when President Obama leaves office in 2016-7 - hopefully he'll be followed by Hillary.
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    Sep 17, 2012 8:45 PM GMT
    Worth Noting, this fellow is a REPUBLICAN:


    Bill Walker: I'm a registered Republican, but I'm voting for President Obama and Joe Biden. I think George Bush and the Republicans presided over the cause and the start of the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression, and President Obama and the Democrats have done a good job getting the economy headed in the right direction, despite total Republican opposition. Plus I am repelled by the Republican Party's embracing those people who hate the President because of his race/color and who want to abolish a woman's right to abortion and deny people's right to marry whomever they want to marry.