Christian vid, perception changes

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    Sep 02, 2012 5:13 AM GMT
    Video by whosoevers talks about gays going to church. Video deleted. If you want to see it, look up whosoevers.
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    Sep 02, 2012 6:46 PM GMT
    For those who can't be bothered.....

    The first 36 minutes are of a gay guy and a lesbian indulging in stories of how difficult it was for them to come out. Despite those challenges, they went to church and "got saved".

    The host's core thesis is that god gave mankind free will but only offered humans two choices with which to express it: choose goodness or choose evil.

    He then establishes the supposition that homosexual behavior is akin to drug addiction. He is a recovering drug addict and suggests that when saved christian gays desire other same sex persons, they need only repress that desire and go to church. His empathetic claim is that he too is a sinner - a drug addict - and as long as he doesn't shoot up or fornicate, as long as he "turns his will over to Jesus", he is essentially a good boy. He uses a preachy reference to Romans about desires of the flesh.

    You can put a couple of club chairs against a backdrop of guitars and a stylized graphic homage to the Sex Pistols, but it is essentially the same message as America's greatest historical theologian, Jonathan Edwards, who in 1741, penned Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God (look it up on Wikipedia if your college Lit. professor didn't make you read it).

    Edwards was known for his fire and brimstone oratorical approach to essentially the same thesis: it is the will of God that keeps wicked men from the depths of Hell, and this act of restraint affords humanity a chance to mend their ways.

    I couldn't really sit through much more because there is a high degree of sanctimoniousness, and I'm not fond of that. I'm pretty sure that the message towards the end is that they gay guy and the lesbian are still gay, but they just don't act on their feelings. But they are happy, healthy and in god's grace. Is that about right?

    OP, you wrote that you hoped "this video might open your eyes to better things". Perhaps you would be generous enough to articulate what points your fellow RJ readers should glean from this video.
  • tazzari

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    Sep 10, 2012 1:16 AM GMT
    I go to church. I'm on the vestry. I'm on the rector search committee. I'm totally out in a church that is proud to be Open and Affirming. Sexuality is a God-given wonder which helps us express and experience the love of another.

    When my church began the search for a new rector, we made only one make-or-break condition: that he "gladly and joyously" would marry gay people.

    This is an Episcopal church, and 15 other Seattle Episcopal churches (and some non-Episcopal, to be fair) marched in the Seattle Pride Parade to celebrate and support same-sex marriage.

    The American Episcopal church is developing same-sex marriage liturgies.

    It's a good place to be.

    Oh, and GO PIRATES!
  • barriehomeboy

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    Sep 10, 2012 1:45 AM GMT
    I was raised in a Christian household. My mother was even our church's organist. I abandonded the church when I saw Christians at gay rallies carrying placards reading "GOD HATES FAGS." God hates? I thought God and Jesus loved me and everyone else. Isn't that what your entire religion is based on?... Love? It seems God and Jesus only love Republicans now, otherwise there'd be other loving Christians there to rip the placards out of the hateful Christians hands. A little brush can paint a large picture that isn't an accurate reflection of reality.
  • LuckyGuyKC

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    Sep 10, 2012 2:16 AM GMT
    OK - what's the point......... I listened to about 30 minutes..... two reformed queers telling how happy they are to "straight"

    Good luck to them.
  • booboolv

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    Sep 24, 2012 3:49 AM GMT
    Fortress, you followed your heart when you shared this. I for one am proud of you.

    You were concerned about being singled out and bringing negativity into the forum and upon yourself (it seemed to me from your wording). You did it anyway. Congratulations. Be strong in your faith. Don't let the naysayers disuade you. Personally I didn't care for the video. But it was, for me, too impersonal. But I like your message. Don't stop. Msg me if you wish, we can discuss spirituality and theological ideas at lenth.
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    Oct 01, 2012 2:02 AM GMT
    FORTRESS saidYeah I try not to Force religion.THeres a difference between religion and a spiritual relationship. I found this video and shared it with a friend and he was about to commit suicide and had he not seen the vid, he'd probably wouldnt be alive today. that is what provoked me to post it (and risk taking the haughty responses that come with this site).

    Once upon a time, I tried to commit suicide cause I didn't get changed by my faith in this .... be aware this sort of thing isn't for everybody. I no longer attend church or talk to self described christians irl.
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    Oct 01, 2012 4:34 AM GMT
    You know it's the bisexuals who have choices that us Bona Fide Homosexuals, and straights do not have. The bisexuals are able to flip flop, thus give the illusion of being cured as they are neither or either.

    You have bisexual men living the straight life, and receiving all the rewards that come with it, and latter in life decide to make a lifestyle change and stand under the banner of gay, thus giving the impression that homosexuality is a choice, and that they can be cured and turned back into straight; sad for us Bona Fide homosexuals who have no such choice.
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    Oct 01, 2012 6:26 AM GMT
    tru_blu_auzzie saidYou know it's the bisexuals who have choices that us Bona Fide Homosexuals, and straights do not have. The bisexuals are able to flip flop, thus give the illusion of being cured as they are neither or either.

    You have bisexual men living the straight life, and receiving all the rewards that come with it, and latter in life decide to make a lifestyle change and stand under the banner of gay, thus giving the impression that homosexuality is a choice, and that they can be cured and turned back into straight; sad for us Bona Fide homosexuals who have no such choice.


    There she is - where have you been hiding my dear and when are we going to have that cup of tea using your best bone china? icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 01, 2012 6:55 AM GMT
    McGay!!!
  • barriehomeboy

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    Oct 01, 2012 6:57 AM GMT
    tru_blu_auzzie saidYou know it's the bisexuals who have choices that us Bona Fide Homosexuals, and straights do not have. The bisexuals are able to flip flop, thus give the illusion of being cured as they are neither or either.

    You have bisexual men living the straight life, and receiving all the rewards that come with it, and latter in life decide to make a lifestyle change and stand under the banner of gay, thus giving the impression that homosexuality is a choice, and that they can be cured and turned back into straight; sad for us Bona Fide homosexuals who have no such choice.


    EXACTLY! I meant to rant about that sometime but never got around to it.