Democratic National Convention - Obama Administration cannot run for reelection on its horrendous record...

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    Sep 05, 2012 12:01 PM GMT
    ...so the Democrats distort facts and figures to grasp for an answer to the question of whether Americans are better off today than they were four years ago.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/05/politics/fact-check-obama-jobs/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

    CNN Fact Check: About those 4.5 million jobs ...

    (CNN) -- Anyone watching the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday night heard the number 4.5 million several times.

    "Despite incredible odds and united Republican opposition, our president took action, and now we've seen 4.5 million new jobs," San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro, the party's keynote speaker, said.

    Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel, who served as President Barack Obama's chief of staff, and Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick, who followed Obama's November rival Mitt Romney as governor of Massachusetts, both cited the same number.

    It's a big-sounding number, given the still-sputtering job market. So we're giving it a close eyeballing.

    The facts:

    The number Castro cites is an accurate description of the growth of private-sector jobs since January 2010, when the long, steep slide in employment finally hit bottom. But while a total of 4.5 million jobs sounds great, it's not the whole picture.

    Nonfarm private payrolls hit a post-recession low of 106.8 million that month, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. The figure currently stands at 111.3 million as of July.

    While that is indeed a gain of 4.5 million, it's only a net gain of 300,000 over the course of the Obama administration to date. The private jobs figure stood at 111 million in January 2009, the month Obama took office.

    And total nonfarm payrolls, including government workers, are down from 133.6 million workers at the beginning of 2009 to 133.2 million in July 2012. There's been a net loss of nearly 1 million public-sector jobs since Obama took office, despite a surge in temporary hiring for the 2010 census.

    Meanwhile, the jobs that have come back aren't the same ones that were lost.

    According to a study released last week by the liberal-leaning National Employment Law Project, low-wage fields such as retail sales and food service are adding jobs nearly three times as fast as higher-paid occupations.

    Conclusion:

    The figure of 4.5 million jobs is accurate if you look at the most favorable period and category for the administration. But overall, there are still fewer people working now than when Obama took office at the height of the recession.
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    Sep 05, 2012 12:27 PM GMT
    Well, who's been cutting all the public sector jobs? icon_rolleyes.gif
  • HottJoe

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    Sep 05, 2012 12:39 PM GMT
    Racist closeted fag voting against gay rights. Typical republican. They'll try to tell you to believe it myths, oppression of women and tax breaks for the rich, all while denying basic healthcare to the poor and wounded soldiers. Republicans are unpatriotic scumbags and the biggest threat to democracy, which they try to hijack with money and super pacs.icon_mad.gif
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    Sep 05, 2012 12:51 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidWell, who's been cutting all the public sector jobs? icon_rolleyes.gif


    Interesting question...but are you sure you want to know the answer?

    Of the states that have cut state and local public sector jobs the most since Obama took office, eight of the top ten "offenders" are traditional blue states that voted for Obama in the 2008 election. Do you think they're still happy with their votes?

    A ranking by state of the largest percentage decrease in public sector jobs:

    1. Nevada
    2. Rhode Island
    3. Connecticut
    4. Michigan
    5. California
    6. Vermont
    7. Arizona
    8. Ohio
    9. Florida
    10. Georgia

    And if you look at the governorships in each of the above states, four of the top six are Democrats, so once again, Obama can't blame all of his woes on the Republicans.

    If you want to consider your question from an economic standpoint, state and local governments were forced to slash jobs in order to balance their respective budgets in the face of falling personal income (states) and property (local) tax revenues. Obama's inability to improve either unemployment or property values are the cause of this.
  • rnch

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    Sep 05, 2012 1:01 PM GMT
    How sad that all the GOP can offer voters this election is distorted facts, half truths and outright, bald faced LIES.
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    Sep 05, 2012 1:06 PM GMT
    rnch saidHow sad that all the Democrats can offer voters this election is distorted facts, half truths and outright, bald faced LIES.


    Fixed. The above article was on CNN's website, commonly referred to as the Communist News Network. Your own networks aren't buying the garbage the Dems are handing out.
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    Sep 05, 2012 1:54 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidRacist closeted fag voting against gay rights.
    ya mean the OP? yup!
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    Sep 05, 2012 1:59 PM GMT
    Well, the gay Republican 'roaches for Raid' have got to try and justify their irrational voting habits somehow.
  • DalTX

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    Sep 05, 2012 2:00 PM GMT
    How's Willard doing there in MA?
    Surely he'll win since it's his home state...the people who know him the best.
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    Sep 05, 2012 6:02 PM GMT
    TropicalMark said
    HottJoe saidRacist closeted fag voting against gay rights.
    ya mean the OP? yup!


    Your opinion means less than nothing to me. You're a lying hypocrite who continues to misrepresent his own history in order to attack others from a seemingly defendable position when you were a closeted homosexual until your mid-30s, full of self-hatred, and had grown to hate your time in the armed forces that you now claim to be so proud of. You've even stated this publicly in your own words in a national publication. Go away troll. You don't even have the self-respect (or balls) to show your face on this forum. You're a useless, faceless idiot who spews hatred while hiding behind a pic that represents the caricature of yourself that you've created for everyone here.

    I am neither a racist, nor closeted. My problem with Obama has nothing to do with his race. It's his complete inability, bordering on incompetence, in dealing with the real problems facing this nation.
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    Sep 05, 2012 6:13 PM GMT
    BornJuly4th said

    I am neither a racist, nor closeted.
    LMAO got any other 'opinions'? your statement cannot be substantiated.
    Just another proof-less statement uttered by you..

    I think you are racist! AND I think you are also closeted. prove me wrong.icon_wink.gif
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    Sep 05, 2012 6:26 PM GMT
    TropicalMark said
    BornJuly4th said

    I am neither a racist, nor closeted.
    LMAO got any other 'opinions'? your statement cannot be substantiated.
    Just another proof-less statement uttered by you..

    I think you are racist! AND I think you are also closeted. prove me wrong.icon_wink.gif


    Do I need to remind you of the article about you in the New York Times Magazine? I'd be happy to email you a link if you've forgotten what you said.

    I have nothing to prove to you. You're, honestly, a waste of my time and the air that you breathe.
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    Sep 05, 2012 6:36 PM GMT
    BornJuly4th said

    I have nothing to prove to you.
    yes you do.. you have to prove it to the forum too..

    Prove that you indeed are not a racist and you're not closeted. stating that you aren't does NOT make it true.icon_wink.gif
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    Sep 05, 2012 6:38 PM GMT
    PRESIDENT OBAMA'S RECORD(in a few words by Gov. Deval Patrick):

    "This is the president who delivered the security of affordable health care to every single American after 90 years of trying.

    This is the president who brought Osama bin Laden to justice, who ended the war in Iraq and is ending the war in Afghanistan.


    THIS is the president who ENDED...'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'.....so that
    LOVE OF COUNTRY....NOT LOVE OF ANOTHER, determines fitness for military service.


    Who made equal pay for equal work the law of the land.

    This is the president who saved the American auto industry from extinction, the American financial industry from self-destruction, and the American economy from depression,"
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    Sep 05, 2012 6:50 PM GMT
    TropicalMark said
    BornJuly4th said

    I have nothing to prove to you.
    yes you do.. you have to prove it to the forum too..

    Prove that you indeed are not a racist and you're not closeted. stating that you aren't does NOT make it true.icon_wink.gif


    Go away, idiot. You're a waste of my time. I don't have anything to prove to anyone. If anyone can provide evidence of anything I've lied about or misrepresented when it comes to me and my history (as I can about you), I'd be happy to respond to it. Your theoretical musings are pathetic attempts to goad me into a fight that you know that I'll win.

    I'm done responding to your idiocy. Hitting the "Ignore His Posts" link.....now.
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    Sep 05, 2012 7:00 PM GMT
    Balancing saidPRESIDENT OBAMA'S RECORD(in a few words by Gov. Deval Patrick):

    "This is the president who delivered the security of affordable health care to every single American after 90 years of trying.

    This is the president who brought Osama bin Laden to justice, who ended the war in Iraq and is ending the war in Afghanistan.


    THIS is the president who ENDED...'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'.....so that
    LOVE OF COUNTRY....NOT LOVE OF ANOTHER, determines fitness for military service.


    Who made equal pay for equal work the law of the land.

    This is the president who saved the American auto industry from extinction, the American financial industry from self-destruction, and the American economy from depression,"


    Yeah, and Deval's not partisan at all...aren't they bff's?

    Interesting interview with two of Teddy Kennedy's sons on the Today show this morning. You should look for a link on youtube or on the Today website. When asked about their dad's lifetime dedication to universal healthcare, they applauded Obamacare, although quickly admitting it was far from perfect. Then they noted that their dad always tried to find ways to work with Republicans, admitting that Obama's decision to push it through without any Republican support was the wrong way to do things. They derided the President for not working with the Republicans on any of his initiatives, something their dad never tried to do, and one of the cornerstones of his (Kennedy's) success in his political career.

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    Sep 05, 2012 7:00 PM GMT
    Your own words.......

    But, by being a registered Republican, I have the right to vote in Republican primaries and can help to sway the vote in favor of candidates with the more moderate policies in which I agree. You're completely wrong in assuming that GOP "has me in the bag and can count on me for whatever they want"....my political registration beholds me to no one and ensures nothing of the decisions I make at the ballot box. I remain hopeful that the Republican Party will ultimately see that the politics of fear and division, which they rely upon for much of their votes in the South and other typically "red" states, are doing them more harm than good. Of the younger Republicans I know, the views are more moderate, even socially liberal, and the hard-line extremists are aging and will eventually die off. My greatest hope is that the Republican party will eventually open themselves to the gay vote, who are demographically more financially well-off. In the meantime, I'd rather further the rights of the gay population from WITHIN the party.

    BTW, I don't believe I "boasted" about being a registered Republican. It was certainly a decision I made to say in my original post knowing it might incite argument, but more in an attempt to show that moderate Republicans do exist, and we're not all like many of the ridiculous "conservaposse" on RJ that can't be bothered to see both sides of an issue.

    August 10th 2012


    You really think we believe you now?icon_rolleyes.gif


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    TropicalMark saidYour own words.......

    But, by being a registered Republican, I have the right to vote in Republican primaries and can help to sway the vote in favor of candidates with the more moderate policies in which I agree. You're completely wrong in assuming that GOP "has me in the bag and can count on me for whatever they want"....my political registration beholds me to no one and ensures nothing of the decisions I make at the ballot box. I remain hopeful that the Republican Party will ultimately see that the politics of fear and division, which they rely upon for much of their votes in the South and other typically "red" states, are doing them more harm than good. Of the younger Republicans I know, the views are more moderate, even socially liberal, and the hard-line extremists are aging and will eventually die off. My greatest hope is that the Republican party will eventually open themselves to the gay vote, who are demographically more financially well-off. In the meantime, I'd rather further the rights of the gay population from WITHIN the party.

    BTW, I don't believe I "boasted" about being a registered Republican. It was certainly a decision I made to say in my original post knowing it might incite argument, but more in an attempt to show that moderate Republicans do exist, and we're not all like many of the ridiculous "conservaposse" on RJ that can't be bothered to see both sides of an issue.

    August 10th 2012


    You really think we believe you now?icon_rolleyes.gif




    This just proves your idiocy. What in the above statement is untrue?

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    TropicalMark saidYour own words.......

    But, by being a registered Republican, I have the right to vote in Republican primaries and can help to sway the vote in favor of candidates with the more moderate policies in which I agree. You're completely wrong in assuming that GOP "has me in the bag and can count on me for whatever they want"....my political registration beholds me to no one and ensures nothing of the decisions I make at the ballot box. I remain hopeful that the Republican Party will ultimately see that the politics of fear and division, which they rely upon for much of their votes in the South and other typically "red" states, are doing them more harm than good. Of the younger Republicans I know, the views are more moderate, even socially liberal, and the hard-line extremists are aging and will eventually die off. My greatest hope is that the Republican party will eventually open themselves to the gay vote, who are demographically more financially well-off. In the meantime, I'd rather further the rights of the gay population from WITHIN the party.

    BTW, I don't believe I "boasted" about being a registered Republican. It was certainly a decision I made to say in my original post knowing it might incite argument, but more in an attempt to show that moderate Republicans do exist, and we're not all like many of the ridiculous "conservaposse" on RJ that can't be bothered to see both sides of an issue.

    August 10th 2012


    You really think we believe you now?icon_rolleyes.gif




    This just proves your idiocy. What in the above statement is untrue?

    This one for starters:

    BornJuly4th said

    Hitting the "Ignore His Posts" link.....now.
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    Sep 05, 2012 7:18 PM GMT
    BornJuly4th said
    TropicalMark saidYour own words.......

    But, by being a registered Republican, I have the right to vote in Republican primaries and can help to sway the vote in favor of candidates with the more moderate policies in which I agree. You're completely wrong in assuming that GOP "has me in the bag and can count on me for whatever they want"....my political registration beholds me to no one and ensures nothing of the decisions I make at the ballot box. I remain hopeful that the Republican Party will ultimately see that the politics of fear and division, which they rely upon for much of their votes in the South and other typically "red" states, are doing them more harm than good. Of the younger Republicans I know, the views are more moderate, even socially liberal, and the hard-line extremists are aging and will eventually die off. My greatest hope is that the Republican party will eventually open themselves to the gay vote, who are demographically more financially well-off. In the meantime, I'd rather further the rights of the gay population from WITHIN the party.

    BTW, I don't believe I "boasted" about being a registered Republican. It was certainly a decision I made to say in my original post knowing it might incite argument, but more in an attempt to show that moderate Republicans do exist, and we're not all like many of the ridiculous "conservaposse" on RJ that can't be bothered to see both sides of an issue.

    August 10th 2012


    You really think we believe you now?icon_rolleyes.gif




    This just proves your idiocy. What in the above statement is untrue?





    You're like the chickens voting for Colonel Sanders.
    Fool.

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    BornJuly4th said
    TropicalMark saidYour own words.......

    But, by being a registered Republican, I have the right to vote in Republican primaries and can help to sway the vote in favor of candidates with the more moderate policies in which I agree. You're completely wrong in assuming that GOP "has me in the bag and can count on me for whatever they want"....my political registration beholds me to no one and ensures nothing of the decisions I make at the ballot box. I remain hopeful that the Republican Party will ultimately see that the politics of fear and division, which they rely upon for much of their votes in the South and other typically "red" states, are doing them more harm than good. Of the younger Republicans I know, the views are more moderate, even socially liberal, and the hard-line extremists are aging and will eventually die off. My greatest hope is that the Republican party will eventually open themselves to the gay vote, who are demographically more financially well-off. In the meantime, I'd rather further the rights of the gay population from WITHIN the party.

    BTW, I don't believe I "boasted" about being a registered Republican. It was certainly a decision I made to say in my original post knowing it might incite argument, but more in an attempt to show that moderate Republicans do exist, and we're not all like many of the ridiculous "conservaposse" on RJ that can't be bothered to see both sides of an issue.

    August 10th 2012


    You really think we believe you now?icon_rolleyes.gif




    This just proves your idiocy. What in the above statement is untrue?

    This one for starters:

    BornJuly4th said

    Hitting the "Ignore His Posts" link.....now.


    All that proves is that I had the prescience of thought to suspect that you'd post another attack against my character. And that you are the a$$hole and coward that would do it when you thought my back was turned.

    This, on the other hand proves you to be the lying hypocrite that you are...

    [Link to NYTimes Magazine article showing the "real" TropicalMark]

  • HottJoe

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    Sep 05, 2012 8:33 PM GMT
    BornJuly4th said
    TropicalMark said
    HottJoe saidRacist closeted fag voting against gay rights.
    ya mean the OP? yup!


    Your opinion means less than nothing to me. You're a lying hypocrite who continues to misrepresent his own history in order to attack others from a seemingly defendable position when you were a closeted homosexual until your mid-30s, full of self-hatred, and had grown to hate your time in the armed forces that you now claim to be so proud of. You've even stated this publicly in your own words in a national publication. Go away troll. You don't even have the self-respect (or balls) to show your face on this forum. You're a useless, faceless idiot who spews hatred while hiding behind a pic that represents the caricature of yourself that you've created for everyone here.

    I am neither a racist, nor closeted. My problem with Obama has nothing to do with his race. It's his complete inability, bordering on incompetence, in dealing with the real problems facing this nation.


    But you are racist! I remember another thread, the one about the letter to the father, and you said a number of racist things. Also you said you were closeted until late in life because of your republican family and their christianity.

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    Sep 05, 2012 8:38 PM GMT
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    BornJuly4th said

    Sometimes it's better to be silent and be thought a troll than to keep on posting and remove all doubt. icon_neutral.gif


    CLASSIC!! Especially coming from you, not to mention the a-hole that TM has proven himself to be time and time again in his thousands of posts on this forum!!

    He goes out of his way to make unjustified personal attacks on people without cause...possibly for no other reason than to fill the void in his worthless life!

    If you look at the trail of posts above, it was TM that personally attacked me, yet you come to his defense and infer that I am the troll.

    You're almost as pathetic as he is....
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    Sep 05, 2012 8:43 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    BornJuly4th said
    TropicalMark said
    HottJoe saidRacist closeted fag voting against gay rights.
    ya mean the OP? yup!


    Your opinion means less than nothing to me. You're a lying hypocrite who continues to misrepresent his own history in order to attack others from a seemingly defendable position when you were a closeted homosexual until your mid-30s, full of self-hatred, and had grown to hate your time in the armed forces that you now claim to be so proud of. You've even stated this publicly in your own words in a national publication. Go away troll. You don't even have the self-respect (or balls) to show your face on this forum. You're a useless, faceless idiot who spews hatred while hiding behind a pic that represents the caricature of yourself that you've created for everyone here.

    I am neither a racist, nor closeted. My problem with Obama has nothing to do with his race. It's his complete inability, bordering on incompetence, in dealing with the real problems facing this nation.


    But you are racist! I remember another thread, the one about the letter to the father, and you said a number of racist things. Also you said you were closeted until late in life because of your republican family and their christianity.



    You're going to have to provide some evidence of any racist things I said in that thread, because I remember it well and nothing was ever mentioned or inferred about race.

    And yes, my profile shares my personal story of how I came to realize that I was indeed gay late in life, and I've posted as such to others who have seemingly struggled with coming out to their friends and family (the fact that this honesty is now being used as a weapon against me is deplorable). I came out to my family within three years of my first homosexual experience and have been out to friends and family ever since. I am NOT closeted now, and I made no statement that I never WAS closeted in my past.

    Check your facts before you make such statements, please.

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    Sep 05, 2012 9:40 PM GMT
    BornJuly4th said
    yourname2000 said
    BornJuly4th said

    Sometimes it's better to be silent and be thought a troll than to keep on posting and remove all doubt. icon_neutral.gif


    CLASSIC!! Especially coming from you, not to mention the a-hole that TM has proven himself to be time and time again in his thousands of posts on this forum!!

    He goes out of his way to make unjustified personal attacks on people without cause...possibly for no other reason than to fill the void in his worthless life!

    If you look at the trail of posts above, it was TM that personally attacked me, yet you come to his defense and infer that I am the troll.

    You're almost as pathetic as he is....
    I SHOULD post every one of your emails to me.. it shows exactly what type of person you are..
    Remember last month when you disappeared? well.. de ja vue!