Democrats Backpedal on God and Israel

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    Sep 06, 2012 12:53 AM GMT
    http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2012/09/dnc-2012-israel-jerusalem-and-the-platform

    What do you guys think?
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    Sep 06, 2012 7:31 PM GMT
    Remember that before 1948 there was no Israel, and they didn't even have control of Jerusalem until 1967. For hundreds of years Jerusalem was the capital of Palestine. Always has been and always will be.
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    Sep 06, 2012 8:00 PM GMT
    GalileePAL saidRemember that before 1948 there was no Israel, and they didn't even have control of Jerusalem until 1967. For hundreds of years Jerusalem was the capital of Palestine. Always has been and always will be.
    Well like it or lump it, all of Jerusalem is the national capital of Israel. It is time for the Palestinian people to accept that harsh fact and select another city wholly within their soveriegn territory as their national capital. It is time to end this annoying dispute and get onto more important issues.
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    Sep 06, 2012 8:27 PM GMT
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    GalileePAL saidRemember that before 1948 there was no Israel, and they didn't even have control of Jerusalem until 1967. For hundreds of years Jerusalem was the capital of Palestine. Always has been and always will be.
    Well like it or lump it, all of Jerusalem is the national capital of Israel. It is time for the Palestinian people to accept that harsh fact and select another city wholly within their soveriegn territory as their national capital. It is time to end this annoying dispute and get onto more important issues.


    But Israel also needs to stop the illegal land grabs or Palestine will have no land anywhere; oh thats the agenda of Israel. OMG Mother England and that bloody UN really screwed up on this one. But if America had of helped out back in the 40s, instead of doing nothing, England may not of been in such a desperate situation, as to rehouse all the refugees it was to receive; that America would not open it's doors to.

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    Sep 06, 2012 9:55 PM GMT
    Still today, most countries of the world do not recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital. According to the United Nations, Israel has broke the international law. Jerusalem was supposed to be an international city with UN General Assembly Resolution 194. Israel took Jerusalem by forced in 1967 during the six days war. Even today, many Palestinians were forcefully evicted from their homes.
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    Sep 07, 2012 12:06 AM GMT
    Does it bother anyone that the democrat leadership forced God and Jerusalem back into the convention platform? There certainly was no obvious majority. This wasn't very democratic, in my opinion, and it was done for purely political purposes, like 'em or not.
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    Sep 07, 2012 2:15 AM GMT
    Blakes7 saidDoes it bother anyone that the democrat leadership forced God and Jerusalem back into the convention platform? There certainly was no obvious majority. This wasn't very democratic, in my opinion, and it was done for purely political purposes, like 'em or not.


    It deeply bothers me. This Zionist shit is tired.
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    Sep 07, 2012 7:53 AM GMT
    GalileePAL = IanCT, the profile that just got banned for repeatedly calling an African American a "n**ga".
    So one can't hardly expect either truth or wisdom from him:

    GalileePAL saidJerusalem was supposed to be an international city with UN General Assembly Resolution 194. Israel took Jerusalem by forced in 1967 during the six days war.

    It was the Arab parties that violently rejected the UN partition compromise and attacked Israel, seeking a "momentous massacre" and to "throw the Jews into the sea."

    1947-1948: Arabs reject compromise and attack Israel
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/960691

    During this war, the Old City of Jerusalem was illegally seized by Trans/Jordan and later annexed (how come Ian doesn't mention or complain about that?!).

    Israel established its capital in western Jerusalem, which was mostly built up after that war..


    GalileePAL/IanCT SaidRemember that before 1948 there was no Israel

    Before 1948 there was Mandate Palestine, entrusted to:

    http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/palmanda.asp#art2
    The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions

    At the time, "Palestine" was not a reference to an Arab group or Arab land but to the Jewish homeland.

    "Palestine" is the Latin/European name for Eretz Yisrael, the Jewish homeland
    and early 20th century Arab denials of the existence of "Palestine".

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/349491


    GalileePAL/IanCT lied-for-the-causeFor hundreds of years Jerusalem was the capital of Palestine. Always has been and always will be.

    There was NEVER an "Arab Palestine", nor did Jerusalem ever serve as an Arab capital during the Arab occupation.

    Jerusalem
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/887747

    Note: Arab EMPIRES occupied Spain for longer - and more recently!

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    Sep 07, 2012 4:41 PM GMT
    Yep, Jerusalem doesn't belongs to Israel in the first place and never be.

    Facts about Jerusalem
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/884102/
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    Sep 07, 2012 5:54 PM GMT
    There was NEVER an "Arab Palestine", nor did Jerusalem ever serve as an Arab capital during the Arab occupation.

    Jerusalem
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/887747

    Note: Arab EMPIRES occupied Spain for longer - and more recently!
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    Sep 07, 2012 6:49 PM GMT
    What is "Israel"? I never heard of it. There was NEVER a "Zionist Israel", nor did Jerusalem ever serve as a Zionist capital during the Zionist occupation.

    Facts about Jerusalem
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/884102/
  • coolarmydude

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    Sep 07, 2012 6:54 PM GMT
    Meanwhile, Republicans back-pedal on gay rights on the basis of God.
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    Sep 07, 2012 6:58 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidMeanwhile, Republicans back-pedal on gay rights on the basis of God.


    and many democrats are stll blinded by hope and change.
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    Sep 07, 2012 7:01 PM GMT
    I thought your wonder boy of a VP candidate said that party platforms were just a piece of paper and didn't really mean anything?

    So mentioning some deity dude is way more important than saying that your gonna force a rape victim to carry her rapist baby daddy's baby to term?

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    No wonder there are comedy shows that recite your Sh*t line by line
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    Sep 07, 2012 7:41 PM GMT
    tru_blu_auzzie said
    coolarmydude saidMeanwhile, Republicans back-pedal on gay rights on the basis of God.


    and many democrats are stll blinded by hope and change.


    Why do you give a fuck, Australian?
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    tru_blu_auzzie said
    coolarmydude saidMeanwhile, Republicans back-pedal on gay rights on the basis of God.


    and many democrats are stll blinded by hope and change.


    Do Australia have "republicans and democrats"?
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    Sep 08, 2012 5:17 AM GMT
    GalileePAL saidWhat is "Israel"?

    It must be very dark underneath that shirt.
    You really should try to get out a bit more....
  • MikemikeMike

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    Sep 08, 2012 5:37 AM GMT
    GQjock saidI thought your wonder boy of a VP candidate said that party platforms were just a piece of paper and didn't really mean anything?

    So mentioning some deity dude is way more important than saying that your gonna force a rape victim to carry her rapist baby daddy's baby to term?

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    No wonder there are comedy shows that recite your Sh*t line by line


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    Sep 08, 2012 6:24 AM GMT
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    tru_blu_auzzie said
    coolarmydude saidMeanwhile, Republicans back-pedal on gay rights on the basis of God.


    and many democrats are stll blinded by hope and change.


    Why do you give a fuck, Australian?


    Well if America gets a cold, it has infected other countries with pneumonia, and since the 1980s I've had an interest in American gay culture, as they back then looked like being world leaders on gay issues and progress. But...... that was not to, come to pass; if anything Oz had surpassed you. Also my man of 20+ years is a yank..
  • roadbikeRob

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    Sep 08, 2012 2:16 PM GMT
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    GalileePAL saidRemember that before 1948 there was no Israel, and they didn't even have control of Jerusalem until 1967. For hundreds of years Jerusalem was the capital of Palestine. Always has been and always will be.
    Well like it or lump it, all of Jerusalem is the national capital of Israel. It is time for the Palestinian people to accept that harsh fact and select another city wholly within their soveriegn territory as their national capital. It is time to end this annoying dispute and get onto more important issues.


    Nope that will never work on the Palestinians side. They will never give up or accept Israel's illegal occupation.
    Sorry to say but the Palestinians are not going to have any choice. It is time to get out of the past and embrace the future by fully accepting the true fact that all of Jerusalem is the national capital of Israel. You guys claim that Israel violated international law by forcibly annexing the rest of Jerusalem in 1967. Well what about Jordan occupying the eastern half of Jerusalem before 1967 due to the total fuck up on the UN's part before 1948 deciding that the city was going to be divided. Didn't Jordan violate international law by having the eastern sector of Jerusalem within its national boundariesicon_question.gif The whole idea of dividing Jerusalem was a horrendous mistake. The idea that Jerusalem was supposed to be an international city was never implemented into international law, instead the UN divided the city which was wrong.
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    Sep 08, 2012 7:20 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidSorry to say but the Palestinians are not going to have any choice. It is time to get out of the past and embrace the future by fully accepting the true fact that all of Jerusalem is the national capital of Israel.



    ^^^ This ^^^ The sooner the Palestinians come to terms with this, the sooner they can move towards a quality of life that the Israelis have. The choice is to keep this insane argument going until the end of time which will get them nowhere.
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    Sep 08, 2012 7:50 PM GMT
    If it were up to me, I'd make Jerusalem the capital of Radioactive Hell so that this silly religious conflict would be brought to an end.
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    Sep 08, 2012 8:28 PM GMT
    The fact that the Palestinians own 11,420 and the Zionists own 5,452 land ownership dunums.
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    Source: Village Statisitcs of 1945: A Classification of Land and Area ownership in Palestine

    Village Statistics book is a rare and important book was first published by the Palestine Government in 1937 under the request of the Peel Commission, which was used to draw the first proposed partition plan in 1937 (know as the Peel Partition Plan). At the time, it had limited circulation, and later it was updated with a newer version that represent 1945 village statistics.

    MAYORS OF JERUSALEM
    Musa al-Alami was Jerusalem major before 1840's. Palestinian
    # Ahmad Agha Duzdar (1848–1863) Palestinian
    # Abdelrahman al-Dajani (1863–1882) Palestinian
    # Salim al-Husayni (1882–1897) Palestinian
    # Yousef Al-Khalidi (1899–1907) Palestinian
    # Faidi al-Alami (1907–1909) Palestinian
    # Hussein al-Husayni (1909–1917) Palestinian
    # military governor (1917) Palestinian
    # Aref al-Dajani (1917–1918 ) Palestinian
    # Musa al-Husayni (1918–1920) Palestinian
    # Raghib Nashashibi (1920–1934) Palestinian
    # Hussein al-Khalidi (1934–1937) Palestinian
    # Daniel Auster (1937–1938 ) First Zionist Jewish to be a mayor
    # Mustafa al-Khalidi (1938–1944) Palestinian
    # Daniel Auster (1944–1945) First Jewish to be a mayor

    WEST JERUSALEM
    # municipal committee (1945–1948 ) Israel 1948
    # military governor (1948–1949) Israel
    # Daniel Auster (1949–1950) Israeli
    # Zalman Shragai (1951–1952) Israeli
    # Yitzhak Kariv (1952–1955) Israeli
    # Gershon Agron (1955–1959) Israeli
    # Mordechai Ish-Shalom (1959–1965) Israeli
    # Teddy Kollek (1965–1993) Israeli
    # Ehud Olmert (1993–2003) israeli
    # Uri Lupolianski (2003–2008 ) Israeli
    # Nir Barkat (2008–present) Israeli

    EAST JERUSALEM
    #Anwar Al-Khatib (1948–1950) Palestinian
    #Aref al-Aref (1950–1951) Palestinian
    #Hanna Atallah (1951–1952) Palestinian
    #Omar Wa'ari (1952–1955) Palestinian
    #municipal committee (1955–1957) Palestinian
    #Ruhi al-Khatib (1957–1967) Palestinian
    #Amin al-Majaj (1967-1998, titular) Palestinian
    #Zaki Al-Ghul (1999-date, titular) Palestinian

  • Webster666

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    Sep 08, 2012 8:31 PM GMT
    I think it's much ado about nothing.
    And, if adding them to the party platform will shut up the petty whiners, fine.

  • Webster666

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    Sep 08, 2012 8:38 PM GMT
    Blakes7 saidDoes it bother anyone that the democrat leadership forced God and Jerusalem back into the convention platform? There certainly was no obvious majority. This wasn't very democratic, in my opinion, and it was done for purely political purposes, like 'em or not.



    I agree that it was done for political purposes: to shut up the petty whiners.

    But, the Democrats should have seen this coming when they decided to leave those items out of the platform. Surprising, as thorough and thoughtful as the Obama people are, that this happened.