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    Aug 20, 2008 2:32 AM GMT
    What's your progress? Have you tried it?

    I try various methods: watching the breath, trying to empty my head, avoiding concepts, and trying to just "be."

    What do you do to put the chattering monkey to sleep?
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    Aug 20, 2008 2:44 AM GMT
    Why would you want to not think? If you don't think, you're just being an amoeba.
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    Aug 20, 2008 2:48 AM GMT
    Personally, the only way I can "silence the voices" is to perform some sort of menial task. Apparently doing something menial keeps the frontal lope engaged while the rest of the brain relaxes, or something like that. I may be wrong so please correct me. I have tried conventional meditation but I must have been doing something wrong. So, at night while in bed I read something really boring with a lot of information (a lot of numbers for example) and that REALLY clears my head pretty quickly. Try counting sheep. Baaa.
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    Aug 20, 2008 2:52 AM GMT
    jprichva saidWhy would you want to not think? If you don't think, you're just being an amoeba.

    Thinking is dangerous. Thinking causes wrinkles.
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    Aug 20, 2008 2:59 AM GMT
    Sometime after 7pm sit and meditate for at least ten minutes. You may need to do it later for it to remain effective until bed.

    There are some good meditative breathing exercises on the 'net. Here's one I use:

    Breathing Meditation

    I focus on the breath by giving it color. Inhales are white, or rainbowish, or something cool and cleansing like blue. Exhales are black.

    Hopefully you'll finish with a nice, peaceful perspective on whatever the monkey is trying to talk about.
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    Aug 20, 2008 3:15 AM GMT
    Wow... do I need help with this! My mind does not stop. Even if I am dead tired... it takes me two to three hours laying in bed to finally get to sleep.

    Once I finally get to sleep, if the cat so much as moves, I'm up again and it can be another hour to get back to sleep.

    I sometimes take over the counter sleeping pills, but they make me so tired the next day, I'm like a zombie.



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    Aug 20, 2008 3:35 AM GMT
    jprichva saidWhy would you want to not think? If you don't think, you're just being an amoeba.

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    Aug 20, 2008 3:39 AM GMT
    CarlosGringo saidWhat's your progress? Have you tried it?

    I try various methods: watching the breath, trying to empty my head, avoiding concepts, and trying to just "be."

    What do you do to put the chattering monkey to sleep?
    Technically you don't do anything. Just let go. But maybe you can give the monkey a drugged banana icon_lol.gif
    Actually I used to go for a long run at night until I was pretty winded. It made "stillness" a little easier to tolerate. When thoughts arise just let them pass, do not engage them.
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    Aug 20, 2008 4:39 AM GMT
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    Aug 20, 2008 10:22 AM GMT
    Drinking seems to work well to stop thinking.
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    Aug 20, 2008 10:26 AM GMT
    From Ani Tenzin Palmo, Reflections on a Mountain Lake: Teachings on Practical Buddhism:

    "As we begin to develop awareness of the mind, the mind itself appears to divide into two. A new aspect of the mind arises. This is referred to variously as the witness, the seer, the knower, or the
    observer. It witnesses without judgment and without comment. Along with the arrival of the witness, a space appears within the mind. This enables us to see thoughts and emotions as mere thoughts and emotions, rather than as 'me' and 'mine.' When the thoughts and emotions are no longer seen as 'me' or 'mine', we begin to have choices. Certain thoughts and emotions are helpful, so we encourage them. Others are not so helpful, so we just let them go. All the thoughts and emotions are recognized and accepted. Nothing is suppressed. But now we have a choice about how to react. We can give energy to the ones, which are useful and skillful and withdraw energy from those which are not."
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    Aug 20, 2008 10:28 AM GMT
    "When you are practicing Zazen meditation do not try to stop your thinking. Let it stop by itself. If something comes into your mind, let it come in and go out, it will not stay long. When you try to stop your thinking, it means you are bothered by it. Do not be bothered by anything. It appears that the something comes from outside your mind, but actually it is only the waves of your mind and if you are not bothered by waves, gradually they will become calmer and calmer...Many sensations come, many thoughts or images arise but they are just waves from your own mind, Nothing comes from outside your own mind...If you leave your mind as it is, it will become calm. This mind is called big mind."

    Suzuki Roshi in Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind

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    Aug 20, 2008 10:29 AM GMT
    I find routine is good for getting in a good sleep pattern.

    Go to bed at the same time and get up at the same time, with only a slight variation at weekends.

    Don't do anything stimulating just before bedtime. No internet, and no exciting TV. Read for a while before turning out the lights (boring fact filled books work for me).

    It's boring, but it works folks.

    Lozx
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    Aug 21, 2008 4:00 AM GMT
    Thanks for all the responses. Muchmorethanm..., if you could post the book info, I would really be appreciative. Also, thanks, AlphaDen, I really like the 'let it be' approach.

    My aim in not thinking, or reducing the frequency and impact of thoughts, is not to sleep, but to experience consciousness without an object.

    In doing so, I hope to "come back to myself" more frequently, be more at ease in the world, and bring clarity to the life changes I'm contemplating.

    BigSetXJock, I hope you can get something from AlphaDen's posts. Try watching your breaths in a comfortable position. You might want to count them (up to 10 or so, then starting over) or just watch them. Or just watch your thoughts like static over a clear screen. I'm not an expert, just another seeker.
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    Aug 21, 2008 4:01 AM GMT
    Deep slow breathing, and putting all of my will into slowing my heart rate and breathing more and more slowly. It other than a good Rx is the only way I go to sleep.
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    Aug 22, 2008 6:54 PM GMT
    Try Dying! icon_cool.gif
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    Aug 22, 2008 7:06 PM GMT
    BigSETXjock saidWow... do I need help with this! My mind does not stop. Even if I am dead tired... it takes me two to three hours laying in bed to finally get to sleep.

    Once I finally get to sleep, if the cat so much as moves, I'm up again and it can be another hour to get back to sleep.

    I sometimes take over the counter sleeping pills, but they make me so tired the next day, I'm like a zombie.





    I'm the EXACT same way. And it pisses me to no end that my BF can fall asleep as soon as he hits the pillow. I'm like...shit!
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    Aug 22, 2008 7:06 PM GMT
    Sedative saidTry Dying! icon_cool.gif


    Ummm, you made me spit tuna onto my keyboard. That was hilarious!
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    Aug 22, 2008 7:16 PM GMT
    HighVoltageGuy said
    Sedative saidTry Dying! icon_cool.gif


    Ummm, you made me spit tuna onto my keyboard. That was hilarious!


    Well it does make you think less, dunnit? icon_lol.gif
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    Aug 22, 2008 7:39 PM GMT
    I must say I am pretty much an expert at not thinking, try shopping for something you actually can't afford.. I am missing minutes of my life there...
    Other than that meditation, yeah I tried that once on a seminar..do not think of pink elephants do not think of pink elephants.. repeat 1000x.... I heard locking yourself in a watertank does the trick..kinda extreme..no ?
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    Aug 24, 2008 7:21 AM GMT
    HighVoltageGuy said
    BigSETXjock saidWow... do I need help with this! My mind does not stop. Even if I am dead tired... it takes me two to three hours laying in bed to finally get to sleep.

    Once I finally get to sleep, if the cat so much as moves, I'm up again and it can be another hour to get back to sleep.

    I sometimes take over the counter sleeping pills, but they make me so tired the next day, I'm like a zombie.





    I'm the EXACT same way. And it pisses me to no end that my BF can fall asleep as soon as he hits the pillow. I'm like...shit!


    Make that 3 of us. Sometimes melatonin helps, sometimes not. I get tired of thinking all the time. I'd like to take a vacation from myself sometime. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Aug 24, 2008 7:52 AM GMT
    nv07 said
    HighVoltageGuy said
    BigSETXjock saidWow... do I need help with this! My mind does not stop. Even if I am dead tired... it takes me two to three hours laying in bed to finally get to sleep.

    Once I finally get to sleep, if the cat so much as moves, I'm up again and it can be another hour to get back to sleep.

    I sometimes take over the counter sleeping pills, but they make me so tired the next day, I'm like a zombie.





    I'm the EXACT same way. And it pisses me to no end that my BF can fall asleep as soon as he hits the pillow. I'm like...shit!


    Make that 3 of us. Sometimes melatonin helps, sometimes not. I get tired of thinking all the time. I'd like to take a vacation from myself sometime. icon_biggrin.gif



    Yea, me too. I can lay there for HOURS, be tired as God knows what, and still not able to sleep.
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    Aug 24, 2008 7:37 PM GMT
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    I hope you're right, but I've got my doubts.
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    Aug 24, 2008 7:42 PM GMT
    Get a sleep machine with a rain forest effect. Sucker punches me every night.
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    Aug 24, 2008 7:53 PM GMT
    CarlosGringo said
    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HERESedative said
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    I hope you're right, but I've got my doubts.


    LOL, I'm kidding!