What do you think would make a perfect world?

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    Sep 06, 2012 3:39 AM GMT
    I recently picked up Plato's The Republic and was quickly fascinated by what Plato had to say about the existence of a perfect society. He basically stated that a perfect society would be one that is governed by
    a rare breed of philosophers who, not wishing power for their own purposes, can use it to check and control the desire for it in their subjects. The philosophers are not only reluctant rulers; they are also capable of gaining knowledge of what is good, as opposed to mere opinions and self-serving conventions that ordinary rulers value.

    – Melissa Lane


    So this got me thinking, for you guys personally, what would make a perfect society?
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    Sep 06, 2012 5:29 AM GMT
    Common sense. If more people had it, life would be more pleasant. It wouldn't create a perfect world, but it would be good enough. icon_wink.gif
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    Sep 06, 2012 5:32 AM GMT
    That everyone used those big brains they're carrying around with them. But that ain't gonna happen! icon_mad.gif
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    Sep 06, 2012 5:33 AM GMT
    A perfect world is impossible. But I think there are steps we can take towards it. I think one of the most basic things that can be done (certainly in the US) is to establish a social floor, to keep people from falling into poverty. Programs to provide housing, education, job training, healthcare, for those who cannot provide it to themselves. And economic policy to achieve full employment at all times. These steps would eliminate the horrors of poverty, disease and unemployment. Also, I think the slow, democratic, controlled and methodical dismantlement of the capitalist system would also be a step towards a more perfect world.
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    Sep 06, 2012 5:37 AM GMT
    ^ Move to Canada.
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    Sep 06, 2012 5:44 AM GMT
    Painted said^ Move to Canada.


    I think that Canada trying to do the things I listed is why they have avoided the economic ruin that is plaguing the US right now. That being said, there is a lot I don't like about Canada. I would live there if offered a job, but my lifelong aspiration is not necessarily to live there. But its a nice place to visit every once in awhile.
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    Sep 06, 2012 5:49 AM GMT
    Lash saidI recently picked up Plato's The Republic and was quickly fascinated by what Plato had to say about the existence of a perfect society. He basically stated that a perfect society would be one that is governed by
    a rare breed of philosophers who, not wishing power for their own purposes, can use it to check and control the desire for it in their subjects. The philosophers are not only reluctant rulers; they are also capable of gaining knowledge of what is good, as opposed to mere opinions and self-serving conventions that ordinary rulers value.

    – Melissa Lane


    So this got me thinking, for you guys personally, what would make a perfect society?


    Have you ever read Utopia by Thomas More? It has many parallels to The Republic I think. Also, Machiavelli is a nice contrast to More. The best modern writer who addresses the issues of Utopianism is Michael Harrington.
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    Sep 06, 2012 5:54 AM GMT
    Lash saidI recently picked up Plato's The Republic and was quickly fascinated by what Plato had to say about the existence of a perfect society. He basically stated that a perfect society would be one that is governed by
    a rare breed of philosophers who, not wishing power for their own purposes, can use it to check and control the desire for it in their subjects. The philosophers are not only reluctant rulers; they are also capable of gaining knowledge of what is good, as opposed to mere opinions and self-serving conventions that ordinary rulers value.

    – Melissa Lane


    So this got me thinking, for you guys personally, what would make a perfect society?


    Do you find it convenient that Plato sought to thrust power into the hands of those most like him? Reluctant rulers my ass. How boring and transparent.

    I think a more profound and interesting statement can be found in the famous philosopher Roland Orzabal, who said, "Everybody wants to rule the world."
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    Sep 06, 2012 6:00 AM GMT
    FitGwynedd said
    Painted said^ Move to Canada.


    I think that Canada trying to do the things I listed is why they have avoided the economic ruin that is plaguing the US right now. That being said, there is a lot I don't like about Canada. I would live there if offered a job, but my lifelong aspiration is not necessarily to live there. But its a nice place to visit every once in awhile.


    Canada has not avoided economic malaise because of some incredibly sage policy. Canada is a resource nation, and as asset prices have risen they have done quite well. Look at Australia - very different economic policy, same great economic results. Within the US, North Dakota is another example of a resource-driven state economy that is booming.
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    Sep 06, 2012 6:02 AM GMT
    Recognition of ourselves in others.
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    Sep 06, 2012 6:03 AM GMT
    principal0 saidDo you find it convenient that Plato sought to thrust power into the hands of those most like him? Reluctant rulers my ass. How boring and transparent.

    I think a more profound and interesting statement can be found in the famous philosopher Roland Orzabal, who said, "Everybody wants to rule the world."


    Thank you!

    No such thing will ever exist. Humans are too greedy and fallible. It is arrogant to think that any person or group of people have all the answers to creating a perfect society.
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    Sep 06, 2012 8:14 AM GMT
    Too scared to answer this question in the way I'd truly like to.
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    Sep 06, 2012 8:15 AM GMT
    xrichx saidCommon sense. If more people had it, life would be more pleasant. It wouldn't create a perfect world, but it would be good enough. icon_wink.gif


    That.
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    Sep 06, 2012 8:21 AM GMT
    20-lane freeways and highways for traffic-free commutes... well, smoother flowing traffic, anyways. icon_wink.gif
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    Sep 06, 2012 8:23 AM GMT
    If humans didn't exist.
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    Sep 06, 2012 8:26 AM GMT
    JulesVerne said20-lane freeways and highways for traffic-free commutes... well, smoother flowing traffic, anyways. icon_wink.gif


    People would just speed !!.. icon_confused.gif
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    Sep 06, 2012 8:52 AM GMT
    A nice cup of joe with thevMan above me!
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    Sep 06, 2012 8:59 AM GMT
    principal0 said
    FitGwynedd said
    Painted said^ Move to Canada.


    I think that Canada trying to do the things I listed is why they have avoided the economic ruin that is plaguing the US right now. That being said, there is a lot I don't like about Canada. I would live there if offered a job, but my lifelong aspiration is not necessarily to live there. But its a nice place to visit every once in awhile.


    Canada has not avoided economic malaise because of some incredibly sage policy. Canada is a resource nation, and as asset prices have risen they have done quite well. Look at Australia - very different economic policy, same great economic results. Within the US, North Dakota is another example of a resource-driven state economy that is booming.


    Actually, Canada combines the best of socialistic ideals and free-market enterprise, which explains why our citizens have healthcare and quality of life is so much better than that of the US. Recession aside, Canada's banking was not as leveraged and un-regulated as the US.

    On top of that, apparently the stereotype "Dumb Americans" (or is that an oxymoron?) is best personified by the oblivious nature and belief held by people on this website that think a forum is a positive representation of a larger geographical sampling.
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    Sep 06, 2012 9:34 AM GMT
    principal0 said
    FitGwynedd said
    Painted said^ Move to Canada.


    I think that Canada trying to do the things I listed is why they have avoided the economic ruin that is plaguing the US right now. That being said, there is a lot I don't like about Canada. I would live there if offered a job, but my lifelong aspiration is not necessarily to live there. But its a nice place to visit every once in awhile.


    Canada has not avoided economic malaise because of some incredibly sage policy. Canada is a resource nation, and as asset prices have risen they have done quite well. Look at Australia - very different economic policy, same great economic results. Within the US, North Dakota is another example of a resource-driven state economy that is booming.


    Well I do not know about Canada but I can tell you that Australia has avoided the economic crisis not only because of their resource boom (although a large part of it we can attribute to it). The banks in Australia did not engage in the risky lending like those in the US or Europe, so when the financial crisis came they were completely solvent and needed no rescuing. The debt is under control.
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    Sep 06, 2012 9:57 AM GMT
    A world filled with Hot air balloons. icon_cool.gif

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    Sep 06, 2012 10:16 AM GMT
    Integrity.
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    Sep 06, 2012 10:22 AM GMT
    Anocxu said
    JulesVerne said20-lane freeways and highways for traffic-free commutes... well, smoother flowing traffic, anyways. icon_wink.gif


    People would just speed !!.. icon_confused.gif


    True...but they'd all get to work or wherever much faster. ;)
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    Sep 06, 2012 10:39 AM GMT
    Truth to see the self-will and freedom from it.

    It is the cause of all unhappiness and pain.
    Instinctually humans are not patient, and we are not kind.
    That is the self-will.



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    Sep 06, 2012 10:42 AM GMT
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    Sep 06, 2012 11:25 AM GMT
    A world without drama and fear.