Some critical analysis of the Clinton speech

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    Sep 06, 2012 1:03 PM GMT
    Reaction already coming in. Clinton was successful.......successful at showing the contrast between what he accomplished as an centrist, and the current empty suit who is anything but a centrist. And for his rebuttals to Tampa on budget, word is Ryan can and will take that apart with surgical precision. A speech that appealed to the ultra base in the hall and with the radicals, but ineffective in the big picture.

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    The Numbers Clinton Ignored
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/numbers-clinton-ignored_651801.html

    In his speech Wednesday night, Bill Clinton said, "President Obama started with a much weaker economy than I did. No president—not me or any of my predecessors—could have repaired all the damage in just four years." Yet, under FDR, who inherited a much weaker economy than Obama did, real GDP growth in 1936 (the year that he first sought reelection) was 13.1 percent. Under Obama in 2012, it has been 1.9 percent—or less than one-sixth as high. That’s according to the federal government’s own figures (see “Percent change from preceding period”).

    Clinton said, "In the last 29 months the economy has produced about 4.5 million private sector jobs." Yet according to the federal government's own figures, a higher percentage of Americans were employed 29 months ago (58.5 percent) than are employed now (58.4 percent). So any job growth in the past 29 months hasn't even kept up with population growth.

    Clinton said, "Both Governor Romney and Congressman Ryan attacked the president for allegedly robbing Medicare of $716 billion. Here's what really happened. There were no cuts to benefits. None....President Obama and the Democrats didn't weaken Medicare, they strengthened it." Yet the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) says that $716 billion worth of Obamacare's mammoth costs would be paid for with money that would come out of Medicare. So if that Medicare money doesn't materialize—as Clinton suggests it wouldn't—then, according to the CBO, Obamacare would blow a $716 billion hole in the federal deficit.

    Speaking of the deficit, Clinton said, "President Obama has offered a plan with 4 trillion dollars in debt reduction over a decade." Yet the CBO says that, in his 2013 budget, Obama actually called for increasing deficits by nearly that same amount—he called for increasing them by $3.504 trillion over the next decade (see table 1).

    For a guy who has such faith in the federal government (although not nearly as much as Obama does), Clinton sure doesn't have a lot of faith in its numbers.
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    Sep 06, 2012 1:04 PM GMT
    Krauthammer: Bill Clinton speech ‘a giant swing and a miss’

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/06/krauthammer-bill-clinton-speech-a-giant-swing-and-a-miss-video/

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    Sep 06, 2012 1:11 PM GMT
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/09/nice_try_bill.html

    Nice Try Bill

    Last night Bill Clinton made a valiant effort to equate his own style of governing with Barack Obama's. He portrayed the man who was supposed to be the first post-partisan president, who passed the most significant piece of social legislation in a generation without one Republican vote; the man who has blown up the national deficit and nationalized the auto companies and thoroughly demonized hard-working Americans, as a wonderful, bi-partisan, common-good politician who has simply been frustrated by angry right-wingers.

    Clinton air-brushed the man who believes it was his calling to "fundamentally change America" into a politician who believes "we are all in this together." In his best Bubba style, Clinton bit his lip, paused, touted Hillary and himself and rocked the house the way only Bill Clinton can.

    President Clinton also attempted to answer the question, "Are we better off now than we were four years ago," by saying "yes we are, but we're not satisfied yet." He told Democrats, "No one could have repaired the damage in just four years," and that President Obama is preparing us for a "new modern economy." How a new modern economy resembles a return to the "era of big government," he did not say. And in memorable Clintonesque style, he wagged his finger to the doubters of economic recovery and said "I believe it. And you will feel it." (In case you didn't know, Democrats invented "feelings.")

    What he didn't explain is why the huge economic drain leading from the private economy to federal control, including the auto companies, healthcare, energy and finance will help America's long-term job picture. He couldn't because it won't. Instead of admitting how Obama has throttled the energy industry, Mr. Clinton touted the numbers of jobs created despite Mr. Obama, due solely to technology and the rising price of energy.

    Now was the time for the newly invented "jobs saved" category, but since it was a negative number, Clinton did not mention it. He also continued to deny that the executive order removing the work requirement from welfare was really what many say it is; a reversal of Mr. Clintons own welfare reform policies.

    On student loans, Clinton simply touted Obama's government takeover and "easy payment plan," which will do little to stem the coming sub-prime student loan crisis. On Obamacare, he omitted that most of the "benefits" of Obamacare, like having parent policies cover children until age 26 are front loaded, while the costs and liabilities hit down the road when Obama has either been re-elected or left office. He told the Democrats that the $716 Billion taken out of Medicare was not really a cut, attempting to deny the relationship between providers and consumers, telling Democrats that government can cut one without influencing the other. He criticized Paul Ryan's proposal to give seniors choice on Medicare (remember, you can still keep the status quo if you want), while incentivizing the private sector to cut costs. These Democrats are pro-choice on only one thing.

    He did point out a problem the Republicans have on specificity. Romney and Ryan need to be more specific on their economic plan, though no doubt their political advisors are telling them not to be until negotiations with a new Congress take place.

    All in all, though Clinton-mania was a fun evening for Democrats, the former president failed to close the gap between his own balanced budget-presidency and the sky-rocketing debt into which Mr. Obama has plunged the nation. Democrats will have a choice in the future, to either revive a more centrist Democratic Party, less dependent on government, or continue down the road of profligate spending and national ruin.

    Bill Clinton may have inadvertently given them just enough memory of the way things used to be to stop their drive off the fiscal cliff. Ironically, simply his presence on the stage gave America a picture of a different Democrat than the current model. In the short term, this may hurt rather than help. The Clinton speech will and should be mocked by Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan as a trip into a fantasy land where the Clinton and Obama presidencies are laughably spun as one and the same.

    This election will turn on where America is going, not where we have been. Everyone knows the country has walked through difficult times that would have challenged any president. This election, unlike most involving sitting presidents, is about the next four years, and it is why Democrats are vulnerable, They are leading the American economy headlong into a place we have never been, where the federal government becomes the major player in nearly every economic decision, creating regulatory drag, while the cost is added to our children's tab. Americans know this and it is why they hesitate to re-elect Obama. It is why Romney has an edge.

    The truth is this: either Bill Clinton has abandoned the New Democrat philosophy that marked his administration and is telling us "The era of big government is back." Or he is doing what Barack Obama says he wished he would have done more of: "Telling stories."
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    Sep 06, 2012 1:15 PM GMT
    http://spectator.org/archives/2012/09/06/bill-clintons-sham-night

    Bill Clinton's Sham Night By Ben Stein
    And the Native American Elizabeth Warren was no better.

    Wednesday
    Now for a few notes on tonight at the Democratic National Convention.

    First, last night I watched a breathtakingly good documentary about the financial collapse in America in 2008. It was called "Inside Job." I agreed with virtually every word until the end when it because was too partisan. But it was a magnificent effort and success.

    So, I was primed to like Elizabeth Warren, the Native American woman who is running for Senate as a Democrat in Massachusetts. She is a big critic of abuses on Wall Street, as I have been all of my life.

    But what a shock when she actually came on. She is a rambling kamikaze of a politician, aiming to blow up everything in her path. She simply made up a bunch of abuses by the GOP, then said she would make them all better. But she never said how. And there is no "how" anyway.

    Human beings are greedy and dishonest in many, many cases. They are money crazed. That is the religion in America. Both Democrats and Republicans are under the spell of money. Mr. Obama is at least as much under money's spell as Mr. Bush 43 was or Mr. Romney is. Look at who he has around him: Valerie Jarrett, slumlord, oops, property developer, sorry. Rahm Emanuel until recently. Wildly well paid hondler (a Yiddish word) for Lazard Freres. Got $7 million for basically just making municipal bond "gonnections" (as Meyer Wolfsheim called them in "Gatsby"), Tim Geithner, former head of the New York Fed, who totally bungled the job as the 2008 crash happened, whom Obama made Treasury Secretary, Larry Summers, genuine genius but no enemy of Wall Street.

    People are people and they like money and Wall Street has a lot of it. They will have a lot of power.

    But Ms. Warren just went absolutely nuts when she talked about how Mr. Romney had said that corporations were people. Ms. Warren sobbed into the camera that corporations don't have children, don't feel pain, don't cry, so they are not people. She was so worked up I thought she was going to start chanting to her Native American gods.

    But wait a minute, Professor Warren. Who do you think owns corporations? Who do you think have their retirement funds invested with corporations? Who do you think benefits if corporations do well? Who do you think works at corporations? Who do you think buys the goods and services of corporations? (Of course, dope that she is, she mostly hates the oil companies.)

    This idea that corporations are somehow non-human is just stupid. Isn't she a Professor at Harvard Law School? What's going on there?

    Plus, Ms. Warren had the strange habit of pressing her tongue against her lips and cheeks as if she were mimicking a sex act. That was unnerving.

    But it was a good introduction for Bill Clinton. This cracker snake oil salesman, as my pal John Coyne calls him, immediately began to lecture the Republicans about how immoral they are. Yes!!!! This man, who had a college intern give him oral sex in the Oval Office while he was on the phone with a Congressional Committee Chair, who inserted cigars into this woman's private parts in the Oval Office, then smoked them, then lied about it all, who was impeached, is lecturing the GOP about morality.

    It is art.

    This man, credibly accused of something very like sexual assault, is cheered to the rafters by the women at the DNC. It is fantastic. This is not grist for the political analyst. It is grist for the psychoanalyst.

    The speech went on forever, but the best parts of it were when Mr. Clinton basically said, "Those vicious scumbag lying, heartless vampire, murdering Republicans… we try to be kind to them and love them and they still are the same lying murdering thieving scumbags they always were. See how mightily nice we are to these bastards and still they don't want to work with us."

    The delegates cheered lustily.

    A few things Mr. Clinton did not dwell upon: Mr. Obama has tacked roughly $5 trillion onto the deficit in three and a half years and we still have higher unemployment for a longer time than at any time since the Great Depression. The share of the GDP that goes to the federal government has grown by almost one-third, to close to a quarter of the whole economy -- and what do we have to show for it?

    But the most maddening part of the speech -- which was delivered in the best fake-sincere, lip-biting Clinton way, was when he talked about what a terrible economy Mr. Obama inherited. And that's true. It was in terrible shape.

    How about the economy that George W. Bush inherited? A budding recession. The worst stock market meltdown since the Great Depression. A national nervous breakdown over 9/11. Mr. Bush and his team pulled us through all of this with resolve and steadiness and tax cuts that worked.

    Yes, his team under Henry Paulson made terrible mistakes in 2007 and 2008. But Mr. Bush 43 inherited a crisis, the Internet scam and stock market collapse, brought it under control, steadied the nation after 9/11, and he gets no credit at all. I keep thinking of something basic: I do not recall Mr. Bush 43 ever blaming Mr. Clinton for the Internet bubble and the recession. Mr. Obama does nothing but blame George W. Bush for everything.

    Well, anyway, the real tenor of the convention was revealed when the delegates booed the decision of the President to put back in "God given" before the word "abilities" in a plank of the platform. Not a pretty picture.

    And no matter what, the Democrats cannot wash away the stain of being the party that is enthusiastic about denying the rights of the unborn. That is serious evil.

    Otherwise Mr. Clinton was great.

    But I could not help notice how utterly different the people at the DNC looked from the ones at the RNC. One group was blond, happy looking, contented looking. The others looked as if they could not wait for the tumbrels, an entire convention of Mesdames Defarge.

    There are different tribes in America. Some are happy. Some are furious. I want the ones who are happy to run things.
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    Sep 06, 2012 1:20 PM GMT
    To counter the argument that Obama inherited a situation so bad that his performance should be considered acceptable. Well known that strong recessions are followed by strong recoveries. The facts below don't lie and demolishes the central point Clinton tried to sneakily make.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2562582
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    Sep 06, 2012 1:31 PM GMT
    Where's your sock puppet?icon_lol.gif
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    Sep 06, 2012 1:34 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidWhere's your sock puppet?icon_lol.gif

    I don't use one or need one sweetheart. I am direct enough with my own account.
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    Sep 06, 2012 1:37 PM GMT
    Poor SaggyTitness, keeps talking to himself.
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    Sep 06, 2012 1:42 PM GMT
    DalTX saidPoor SaggyTitness, keeps talking to himself.

    You keep demonstrating what a total fool you are. No wonder you drink the kool aid. You have never demonstrated any kind of critical thought process on politics or the economy. Would be interesting to see you try and have a conversation. Not possible - too obviously stupid. If you ever had anything substantive to say you would, but you don't, dummy. The Village Idiot, personified. icon_lol.gif
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    Sep 06, 2012 1:43 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    HottJoe saidWhere's your sock puppet?icon_lol.gif

    I don't use one or need one sweetheart. I am direct enough with my own account.


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  • DalTX

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    Sep 06, 2012 1:53 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    DalTX saidPoor SaggyTitness, keeps talking to himself.

    You keep demonstrating what a total fool you are. No wonder you drink the kool aid. You have never demonstrated any kind of critical thought process on politics or the economy. Would be interesting to see you try and have a conversation. Not possible - too obviously stupid. If you ever had anything substantive to say you would, but you don't, dummy. The Village Idiot, personified. icon_lol.gif



    Sweetie, it's time to bump up the meds.
    Do you argue with an empty chair when you're not busy answering your own posts?
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    Sep 06, 2012 2:14 PM GMT
    DalTX said
    socalfitness said
    DalTX saidPoor SaggyTitness, keeps talking to himself.

    You keep demonstrating what a total fool you are. No wonder you drink the kool aid. You have never demonstrated any kind of critical thought process on politics or the economy. Would be interesting to see you try and have a conversation. Not possible - too obviously stupid. If you ever had anything substantive to say you would, but you don't, dummy. The Village Idiot, personified. icon_lol.gif



    Sweetie, it's time to bump up the meds.
    Do you argue with an empty chair when you're not busy answering your own posts?


    LMAO
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    Sep 06, 2012 2:25 PM GMT
    The only other comment to make is you radicals try to mock the thread because I presented a few articles and used separate posts for each article. It was cleaner than putting everything in one post. In addition, there are limits to the amount of text in each post. But when you have nothing substantive to say, it shows.
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    Sep 06, 2012 2:35 PM GMT
    bipartisanship requires one of the parties not having staked out an intractable position of saying "no" so any lack of a single Republican vote socal referred to reflects only upon the Republicans who were clear they would reject any and all compromise.
  • DalTX

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    Sep 06, 2012 2:40 PM GMT
    Alex Castellanos, GOP commentator and former aide to Mitt Romney:

    "I would recommend to my friend Paul [Begala] here, tonight when everybody leaves, lock the doors. You don't have to come back tomorrow. This convention is done. This will be the moment that probably re-elected Barack Obama."
  • HndsmKansan

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    Sep 06, 2012 3:00 PM GMT
    Nice try.. Clinton already went on longer than he needed.. he didn't ignore what you stated, I doubt if he could have had a 2 hour speech...

    It was an incredible "talk".

    I thought many of his comments were right on the mark... right on..

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    Sep 06, 2012 3:01 PM GMT
    Some people will not "get" what Clinton explained so well. So be it. No reason to talk to them.

    I need to get a new bumper sticker: It's arithmetic, stupid!
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    Sep 06, 2012 3:07 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidNice try.. Clinton already went on longer than he needed.. he didn't ignore what you stated, I doubt if he could have had a 2 hour speech...

    It was an incredible "talk".

    I thought many of his comments were right on the mark... right on..

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    You would. Hardly a surprise.
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    Sep 06, 2012 3:10 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidThe only other comment to make is you radicals try to mock the thread because I presented a few articles and used separate posts for each article. It was cleaner than putting everything in one post. In addition, there are limits to the amount of text in each post. But when you have nothing substantive to say, it shows.


    Um, John, I suggest you review what the word "radical" means... and if you want to be effective with this audience, I suggest you use more reasoned encouragement. It isn't what you show, it's the manner in which you show it. Most of us aren't "radicals", we merely have a different viewpoint than you do.

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    Sep 06, 2012 3:14 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    socalfitness saidThe only other comment to make is you radicals try to mock the thread because I presented a few articles and used separate posts for each article. It was cleaner than putting everything in one post. In addition, there are limits to the amount of text in each post. But when you have nothing substantive to say, it shows.


    Um, John, I suggest you review what the word "radical" means... and if you want to be effective with this audience, I suggest you use more reasoned encouragement. It isn't what you show, it's the manner in which you show it. Most of us aren't "radicals", we merely have a different viewpoint than you do.

    The specific subset of members I referred to I intentionally label as radical. That does not apply to all liberals. If you glance at the messages in this thread among others, it should be obvious who is in that subset. Also, I'm not particularly interested in the audience of those on the far left. More interested in moderates and fiscal conservatives.
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    Sep 06, 2012 3:16 PM GMT
    Caslon20000 saidIt's arithmetic, stupid!



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  • jock_1

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    Sep 06, 2012 3:24 PM GMT
    Its great how they have to dig up Clinton to help Obama's presidency to survive. Sorry, but that pig won't fly.
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    Sep 06, 2012 3:35 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Caslon20000 saidIt's arithmetic, stupid!



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    Like Romney's Bain and Ryan's budget. icon_wink.gif
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    Sep 06, 2012 3:36 PM GMT
    jock_1 saidIts great how they have to dig up Clinton to help Obama's presidency to survive. Sorry, but that pig won't fly.

    Oh that pig flew... Pig Fly ...and crapped all over R&R. icon_lol.gif
  • DalTX

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    Sep 06, 2012 3:38 PM GMT
    jock_1 saidIts great how they have to dig up Clinton to help Obama's presidency to survive. Sorry, but that pig won't fly.


    Pig may not be able to fly but it can run a marathon,
    in under 3 hours!!!!!