OBAMA'S SPEECH TONIGHT & NEW JOBS NUMBERS: Could it be a "one-two punch"??

  • HndsmKansan

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    Sep 06, 2012 3:05 PM GMT
    There seems to be hints that the jobs numbers that will be released tomorrow will be better than expected by the analysts.. I understand Obama will get a look at those numbers BEFORE his speech tonight.

    Could it be the "slam" the democrats need to put him over the top?

    By the way... such an awesome convention. I have just been amazed!
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  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 06, 2012 3:19 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    By the way... such an awesome convention. I have just been amazed!
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    Wow --- didn't see THAT one coming icon_wink.gif
  • HottJoe

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    Sep 06, 2012 3:26 PM GMT
    I'm crossing my fingers!!! This convention has been every bit as historical as it needs to be and surpasses all expectations. Obama is going to seal the deal tonight. I can't wait for another 4 years of true leadership in the white house. Bush left us with an America that he spent 8 years ruining. Obama is moving us forward--not just the rich but all of us. Then Hillary in 2016, I hope!
  • jock_1

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    Sep 06, 2012 3:28 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidThere seems to be hints that the jobs numbers that will be released tomorrow will be better than expected by the analysts.. I understand Obama will get a look at those numbers BEFORE his speech tonight.

    Could it be the "slam" the democrats need to put him over the top?

    By the way... such an awesome convention. I have just been amazed!
    icon_biggrin.gif


    Yes, lets re-elect him based on one month of good jobs numbers. Then lets forget about the past 4 years of shitty jobs numbers. Obama re-election = double-dip recession. Just wait untill everyone gets the new taxes set to hit in January to start paying for Obama care. Not to mention our big inflation bubble set to burst because he is falsely pumping up the economy. icon_eek.gif
  • HndsmKansan

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    Sep 06, 2012 3:33 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    HndsmKansan said
    By the way... such an awesome convention. I have just been amazed!
    icon_biggrin.gif


    Wow --- didn't see THAT one coming icon_wink.gif


    Cute.... actually I would have been a critic if the dems hadn't put together a great party... this has been above expectations!
  • HndsmKansan

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    Sep 06, 2012 3:35 PM GMT
    jock_1 said
    HndsmKansan saidThere seems to be hints that the jobs numbers that will be released tomorrow will be better than expected by the analysts.. I understand Obama will get a look at those numbers BEFORE his speech tonight.

    Could it be the "slam" the democrats need to put him over the top?

    By the way... such an awesome convention. I have just been amazed!
    icon_biggrin.gif


    Yes, lets re-elect him based on one month of good jobs numbers. Then lets forget about the past 4 years of shitty jobs numbers. Obama re-election = double-dip recession. Just wait untill everyone gets the new taxes set to hit in January to start paying for Obama care. Not to mention our big inflation bubble set to burst because he is falsely pumping up the economy. icon_eek.gif


    Compared to the shit flying in his face when he took office, his record has been stellar. It must really be horrible to be in your position and defend
    someone like "W" isn't it?
  • DalTX

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    Sep 06, 2012 3:36 PM GMT
    jock_1 said
    HndsmKansan saidThere seems to be hints that the jobs numbers that will be released tomorrow will be better than expected by the analysts.. I understand Obama will get a look at those numbers BEFORE his speech tonight.

    Could it be the "slam" the democrats need to put him over the top?

    By the way... such an awesome convention. I have just been amazed!
    icon_biggrin.gif


    Yes, lets re-elect him based on one month of good jobs numbers. Then lets forget about the past 4 years of shitty jobs numbers. Obama re-election = double-dip recession. Just wait untill everyone gets the new taxes set to hit in January to start paying for Obama care. Not to mention our big inflation bubble set to burst because he is falsely pumping up the economy. icon_eek.gif



    I know it's tough. Your team prefers the "W" record of -800,000 jobs
    per month.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 06, 2012 3:40 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidI would have been a critic if the dems hadn't put together a great party... this has been above expectations!



    I will agree that, on the surface anyway, they have put together a very good party at the DNC. How ultimately effective it will actually prove to be remains to be seen.
  • jock_1

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    Sep 06, 2012 3:54 PM GMT
    DalTX said
    jock_1 said
    HndsmKansan saidThere seems to be hints that the jobs numbers that will be released tomorrow will be better than expected by the analysts.. I understand Obama will get a look at those numbers BEFORE his speech tonight.

    Could it be the "slam" the democrats need to put him over the top?

    By the way... such an awesome convention. I have just been amazed!
    icon_biggrin.gif


    Yes, lets re-elect him based on one month of good jobs numbers. Then lets forget about the past 4 years of shitty jobs numbers. Obama re-election = double-dip recession. Just wait untill everyone gets the new taxes set to hit in January to start paying for Obama care. Not to mention our big inflation bubble set to burst because he is falsely pumping up the economy. icon_eek.gif



    I know it's tough. Your team prefers the "W" record of -800,000 jobs
    per month.


    Our team prefers low unemployment numbers which your team cant seem to get under 8% which is horrible. No plan=no jobs under Obama.
    Black unemployment over 15%. Yet when bad numbers for Obama come out about the economy or jobs, its always "un-expected"

    Its why Obama was a lawyer, he doesnt know the first thing about turning around an economy
  • HndsmKansan

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    Sep 06, 2012 4:47 PM GMT
    jock_1 said
    DalTX said
    jock_1 said
    HndsmKansan saidThere seems to be hints that the jobs numbers that will be released tomorrow will be better than expected by the analysts.. I understand Obama will get a look at those numbers BEFORE his speech tonight.

    Could it be the "slam" the democrats need to put him over the top?

    By the way... such an awesome convention. I have just been amazed!
    icon_biggrin.gif


    Yes, lets re-elect him based on one month of good jobs numbers. Then lets forget about the past 4 years of shitty jobs numbers. Obama re-election = double-dip recession. Just wait untill everyone gets the new taxes set to hit in January to start paying for Obama care. Not to mention our big inflation bubble set to burst because he is falsely pumping up the economy. icon_eek.gif



    I know it's tough. Your team prefers the "W" record of -800,000 jobs
    per month.


    Our team prefers low unemployment numbers which your team cant seem to get under 8% which is horrible. No plan=no jobs under Obama.
    Black unemployment over 15%. Yet when bad numbers for Obama come out about the economy or jobs, its always "un-expected"

    Its why Obama was a lawyer, he doesnt know the first thing about turning around an economy


    You, um, have a "team"? hahahahahah
    And no criticism about attorneys, mister.. I'll take personal offense!
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    Sep 06, 2012 5:16 PM GMT
    The economy could grow in leaps and bounds, cancer could be cured, and the lord himself could sprinkle glitter all across the land with approval, but unless every single democrat gets out to vote, Romney will win.

    It's that simple. Most Americans are very stupid and believe Romney.
  • StevieB0402

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    Sep 06, 2012 6:21 PM GMT
    Having personally discussed this issue with colleagues in economics, who all have doctorates, I've learned that the general concensus is that were Obama not to act as he did...... we would still have double digit unemployment, a stock market under 10,000 and somewhere between 20 to 30% more homeless.

    Could a Republican have done better? This is of course impossible to say. Debates regarding "could have" or "would have" are pointless as there is no certainty whatsoever. Had Hurricane Isaac placed a tornado in my path I "could have" been transported to Munchkinland, but it didnt happen so I wont be calling my travel agent to book me a room at the Yellow Brick Road Hotel. Feel free to argue this endlessly if it suits you to do so.

    There is also the social aspect. My partner and I celebrated our 5 year anniversary in May and I'd like to marry him someday. Not just in a ceremony; but in an actual receives my social security upon my death, is my next of kin, automatically gets my benefits, pays no inheritance tax, is legally my husband, etc. married. This is possible under Obama but Romney/Ryan will never repeal DOMA. You can smell the veto from here.
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    Sep 06, 2012 6:48 PM GMT
    jock_1 said
    HndsmKansan saidThere seems to be hints that the jobs numbers that will be released tomorrow will be better than expected by the analysts.. I understand Obama will get a look at those numbers BEFORE his speech tonight.

    Could it be the "slam" the democrats need to put him over the top?

    By the way... such an awesome convention. I have just been amazed!
    icon_biggrin.gif


    Yes, lets re-elect him based on one month of good jobs numbers. Then lets forget about the past 4 years of shitty jobs numbers. Obama re-election = double-dip recession. Just wait untill everyone gets the new taxes set to hit in January to start paying for Obama care. Not to mention our big inflation bubble set to burst because he is falsely pumping up the economy. icon_eek.gif





    Your claim that "everyone" is going to start getting taxed in January to pay for Obamacare is just another example of how epically misinformed you are.

    Taxes are set to go up in January - but it has absolutely nothing to do with Obamacare.
    The failed Bush tax cuts will die in January.

    The Bush tax cuts that have been in place for eleven years now.
    The Bush tax cuts that were supposed to create strong economic and job growth - but instead helped create the Bush recession and the loss of 8.7 million jobs.
    The Bush tax cuts that have added three TRILLION dollars to the National Debt.

    THOSE Bush tax cuts.
    They will die in January.
    And FYI a majority of Americans support letting them die.
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    Sep 06, 2012 7:15 PM GMT
    StevieB0402 saidMy partner and I celebrated our 5 year anniversary in May and I'd like to marry him someday. Not just in a ceremony; but in an actual receives my social security upon my death, is my next of kin, automatically gets my benefits, pays no inheritance tax, is legally my husband, etc. married. This is possible under Obama but Romney/Ryan will never repeal DOMA. You can smell the veto from here.


    Gay republicans will tell you you are just being selfish and that you should content yourself with being a second-class citizen in your own country. After all, the Republican Party (that currently loves to hate you) will eventually come round to the idea of full equality. Meantime, put your dignity on hold and suck it up.
  • TroyAthlete

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    Sep 06, 2012 7:45 PM GMT
    RealJock Republicans are really angry, bitter, and negative today. Probably because Michelle Obama's brilliant explanation of the humane, inclusive Democratic Party values of freedom, opportunity, and equality for all coupled with Bill Clinton's magnificent and infallible evisceration of the Romney-Ryan campaign of lies and selfishness has left them reeling.

    If Obama delivers tonight, and then the jobs numbers show progress, the GOP might has well pack it in: America does not not want their backwards, selfish, "me-first" agenda of no taxes for rich old straight white men.
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    TroyAthlete saidRealJock Republicans are really angry, bitter, and negative today. Probably because Michelle Obama's explanation of the humane, inclusive Democratic Party values of freedom, opportunity, and equality for all coupled with Bill Clinton's magnificent and infallible evisceration of the Romney-Ryan campaign of lies and selfishness has left them reeling.

    If Obama delivers tonight, and then the jobs numbers show progress, the GOP might has well pack it in: America does not not want their backwards, selfish, "me-first" agenda of no taxes for rich old straight white men.


    The gay republicans are selfloathing hardcore today!!!
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    TroyAthlete saidRealJock Republicans are really angry, bitter, and negative today. Probably because Michelle Obama's explanation of the humane, inclusive Democratic Party values of freedom, opportunity, and equality for all coupled with Bill Clinton's magnificent and infallible evisceration of the Romney-Ryan campaign of lies and selfishness has left them reeling.

    If Obama delivers tonight, and then the jobs numbers show progress, the GOP might has well pack it in: America does not not want their backwards, selfish, "me-first" agenda of no taxes for rich old straight white men.


    The gay republicans are selfloathing hardcore today!!!




    Yup.
    And they're lying their flat flabby asses off even more than usual too.
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    TroyAthlete saidRealJock Republicans are really angry, bitter, and negative today. Probably because Michelle Obama's explanation of the humane, inclusive Democratic Party values of freedom, opportunity, and equality for all coupled with Bill Clinton's magnificent and infallible evisceration of the Romney-Ryan campaign of lies and selfishness has left them reeling.

    If Obama delivers tonight, and then the jobs numbers show progress, the GOP might has well pack it in: America does not not want their backwards, selfish, "me-first" agenda of no taxes for rich old straight white men.


    The gay republicans are selfloathing hardcore today!!!
    I prefer "we are all in this together, we can build it together" than "you're on your own, I got mine, fuck you"..............
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    catfish5 said
    TroyAthlete saidRealJock Republicans are really angry, bitter, and negative today. Probably because Michelle Obama's explanation of the humane, inclusive Democratic Party values of freedom, opportunity, and equality for all coupled with Bill Clinton's magnificent and infallible evisceration of the Romney-Ryan campaign of lies and selfishness has left them reeling.

    If Obama delivers tonight, and then the jobs numbers show progress, the GOP might has well pack it in: America does not not want their backwards, selfish, "me-first" agenda of no taxes for rich old straight white men.


    The gay republicans are selfloathing hardcore today!!!
    I prefer "we are all in this together, we can build it together" than "you're on your own, I got mine, fuck you"..............




    Most Americans do.
    President Obama's positive agenda is much more appealing than the orgy of hate and lies that we saw in Tampa last week.
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    Sep 06, 2012 9:21 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    jock_1 said
    HndsmKansan saidThere seems to be hints that the jobs numbers that will be released tomorrow will be better than expected by the analysts.. I understand Obama will get a look at those numbers BEFORE his speech tonight.

    Could it be the "slam" the democrats need to put him over the top?

    By the way... such an awesome convention. I have just been amazed!
    icon_biggrin.gif


    Yes, lets re-elect him based on one month of good jobs numbers. Then lets forget about the past 4 years of shitty jobs numbers. Obama re-election = double-dip recession. Just wait untill everyone gets the new taxes set to hit in January to start paying for Obama care. Not to mention our big inflation bubble set to burst because he is falsely pumping up the economy. icon_eek.gif


    Compared to the shit flying in his face when he took office, his record has been stellar. It must really be horrible to be in your position and defend
    someone like "W" isn't it?

    I response to the typical alibi, I have something "technical" for you to read, but I won't ask for any critique - promise. icon_wink.gif
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2562582
  • StevieB0402

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    Sep 07, 2012 1:01 PM GMT
    The "technical" article was interesting and provided accurate information, but like most journalism these days, woefully edited.

    Some Reagan era facts that were left out..... during the Carter years unemployment was an average of 6.4% while Regan averaged 7.5%

    Under Carter, the national deficit averaged 56.9 billion a year while under Reagan the average was 232.5 billion annually.

    The national debt was 900 billion in January of 1980 and 2.8 trillion in January of 1989.

    In 1980 the poverty level was 11.5%. In 1981 it was 13%. In 1983 it was 15.2% and in 1989 after 8 years of Reagan Magic it was back to 13%.

    During the 8 years of Reagan, the USA reached double digit homelessness for the first and only time in it's history. This was Reagan's response: In the closing weeks of his presidency, Reagan told The New York Times that the homeless "make it their own choice for staying out there".

    There was also no housing crisis during the Reagan years to complicate a recovery because of the lowering of mortgage interest rates during his tenure.

    There were 250 million American residents in the 80's compared with 310 million today with far fewer manufactoring jobs available due to outsourcing, downsizing, and global competition.

    So in spite of Reagan's "growth" and "expansion" during his presidency, unemployment stayed high, poverty levels stayed high, homelessness was a huge blight on our country's history, and the deficit/national debt ballooned.
  • StevieB0402

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    Sep 07, 2012 4:44 PM GMT
    This is my personal experience with Gay Republicans. It is not intended to tell someone who they are, merely the common threads I see when I interact with groups such as the Log Cabin Republicans.

    I rarely encounter G.R.s who are self hating. In fact it's quite the opposite, they are very enamored with themselves. In this country if you are wealthy you have advantages. By definition, the top 1% is anybody with an AGI of $343,927 or more, with the average 1% AGI being 960K.

    When one has this kind of income, you dont have to worry about having your rights protected. Lawyers, Journalists, Politicians, Judges, Captains of Industry; all of these are in your iPhone when you have that kind of income. The last time I had a dispute with a contractor, my attorney friend sent a threatening letter on my behalf, for free 'cause we're buddies, and the contrator caved. Had I taken him to small claims court, there would be a 1 in 4 chance the judge would have been a member of my country club and my attorney friend probably would have prepared my case for me for free. I would most certainly have gotten my case on television if I'd wished because the local TV anchorman for the 6 o clock news is my neighbor. One phone call and their consumer protection reporters would have been interviewing me that night. It's not what you know but who you know and if you're "rich" then you know other "rich" people.

    So if G.R.s dont have to worry about their rights, what about things like marriage? Most G.R.s that I've met dont want to get married. When you have a certain amount of money, you worry about other people trying to get their hands on it. For the G.R.s there is no worry of alimony, palimony, or division of assets. Your relationship is virtually non existent in the eyes of the law so there is no legal claim. Your "rent boy" cant come after your money. If he cheats on you, he's out on his pretty little ass and you dont have to provide spousal support. There is never a need for a pre-nup because there is no marriage. If you're partnered with someone who currently makes the same income as you, never fear if you start making far more money years into your relationship. He cant touch it because ? ? ? you guessed it... your marriage doesnt exist.

    So while this is going to make me wildly unpopular with an entire block of people, my personal experience and observation is that most republicans, gay or straight, care about money first and people second. If you are a republican and you believe this is a totally false statement in relation to yourself, great. I salute you. Keep up the good work and keep promoting people first from within your own party.
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    StevieB0402 saidThis is my personal experience with Gay Republicans. It is not intended to tell someone who they are, merely the common threads I see when I interact with groups such as the Log Cabin Republicans.

    I rarely encounter G.R.s who are self hating. In fact it's quite the opposite, they are very enamored with themselves. In this country if you are wealthy you have advantages. By definition, the top 1% is anybody with an AGI of $343,927 or more, with the average 1% AGI being 960K.

    When one has this kind of income, you dont have to worry about having your rights protected. Lawyers, Journalists, Politicians, Judges, Captains of Industry; all of these are in your iPhone when you have that kind of income. The last time I had a dispute with a contractor, my attorney friend sent a threatening letter on my behalf, for free 'cause we're buddies, and the contrator caved. Had I taken him to small claims court, there would be a 1 in 4 chance the judge would have been a member of my country club and my attorney friend probably would have prepared my case for me for free. I would most certainly have gotten my case on television if I'd wished because the local TV anchorman for the 6 o clock news is my neighbor. One phone call and their consumer protection reporters would have been interviewing me that night. It's not what you know but who you know and if you're "rich" then you know other "rich" people.

    So if G.R.s dont have to worry about their rights, what about things like marriage? Most G.R.s that I've met dont want to get married. When you have a certain amount of money, you worry about other people trying to get their hands on it. For the G.R.s there is no worry of alimony, palimony, or division of assets. Your relationship is virtually non existent in the eyes of the law so there is no legal claim. Your "rent boy" cant come after your money. If he cheats on you, he's out on his pretty little ass and you dont have to provide spousal support. There is never a need for a pre-nup because there is no marriage. If you're partnered with someone who currently makes the same income as you, never fear if you start making far more money years into your relationship. He cant touch it because ? ? ? you guessed it... your marriage doesnt exist.

    So while this is going to make me wildly unpopular with an entire block of people, my personal experience and observation is that most republicans, gay or straight, care about money first and people second. If you are a republican and you believe this is a totally false statement in relation to yourself, great. I salute you. Keep up the good work and keep promoting people first from within your own party.


    What you say makes perfect sense. The Republican rump on RJ rarely broach the subject of gay rights. When they do, it is to say gay rights do feature on their list of priorities, but well down it. Now we know why. 'Unscrupulous' is the term I tend to use in describing them, but 'money-centric' works just as well.
  • HottJoe

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    Sep 07, 2012 5:09 PM GMT
    StevieB0402 saidThis is my personal experience with Gay Republicans. It is not intended to tell someone who they are, merely the common threads I see when I interact with groups such as the Log Cabin Republicans.

    I rarely encounter G.R.s who are self hating. In fact it's quite the opposite, they are very enamored with themselves. In this country if you are wealthy you have advantages. By definition, the top 1% is anybody with an AGI of $343,927 or more, with the average 1% AGI being 960K.

    When one has this kind of income, you dont have to worry about having your rights protected. Lawyers, Journalists, Politicians, Judges, Captains of Industry; all of these are in your iPhone when you have that kind of income. The last time I had a dispute with a contractor, my attorney friend sent a threatening letter on my behalf, for free 'cause we're buddies, and the contrator caved. Had I taken him to small claims court, there would be a 1 in 4 chance the judge would have been a member of my country club and my attorney friend probably would have prepared my case for me for free. I would most certainly have gotten my case on television if I'd wished because the local TV anchorman for the 6 o clock news is my neighbor. One phone call and their consumer protection reporters would have been interviewing me that night. It's not what you know but who you know and if you're "rich" then you know other "rich" people.

    So if G.R.s dont have to worry about their rights, what about things like marriage? Most G.R.s that I've met dont want to get married. When you have a certain amount of money, you worry about other people trying to get their hands on it. For the G.R.s there is no worry of alimony, palimony, or division of assets. Your relationship is virtually non existent in the eyes of the law so there is no legal claim. Your "rent boy" cant come after your money. If he cheats on you, he's out on his pretty little ass and you dont have to provide spousal support. There is never a need for a pre-nup because there is no marriage. If you're partnered with someone who currently makes the same income as you, never fear if you start making far more money years into your relationship. He cant touch it because ? ? ? you guessed it... your marriage doesnt exist.

    So while this is going to make me wildly unpopular with an entire block of people, my personal experience and observation is that most republicans, gay or straight, care about money first and people second. If you are a republican and you believe this is a totally false statement in relation to yourself, great. I salute you. Keep up the good work and keep promoting people first from within your own party.


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    Sep 07, 2012 5:27 PM GMT
    StevieB0402 said

    So while this is going to make me wildly unpopular with an entire block of people, my personal experience and observation is that most republicans, gay or straight, care about money first and people second. If you are a republican and you believe this is a totally false statement in relation to yourself, great. I salute you.


    I think you will find that most, if not all, of the Republicans on this site -- while they may not agree with you -- will still respect your right to have your own opinion...if for no other reason than you had the decency to express that opinion in a respectful way. I do think you are committing a gross generalization by characterizing "most Republicans" as caring about "money first, and people second", but if that is your "personal experience and observation" than I am sorry to hear that. Caring about money issues is part of the "survival" instincts in most people, regardless of their political persuasions, while caring about people is the "compassionate" side of human beings. Where these things weigh in importance among each individual varies greatly depending on that person's values, experience, and situation in life. I think to characterize it as having anything really to do with what political party they may side with is, at the very least, somewhat unfair and short-sighted.