Don't Ask Don't Tell, thinking about joining the Navy

  • IAmTheOneWhoK...

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    Sep 08, 2012 10:50 AM GMT
    So I was researching it, and apparently it was repealed. So does that mean if I were to enter the Naval Academy, if I disclose that I'm gay to a fellow member, and they were to go to a superior with this information, I can't be discharged? Not that I would just go around saying "Hi, where's the bathroom? I like penis." or anything like that, but I'm just saying...

    Is there anyone here with a military background who might have some experience with this or know any information about the current policy concerning gay rights with the military? Thanks.
  • calibro

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    Sep 08, 2012 2:35 PM GMT
    IAmTheOneWhoKnocks saidSo I was researching it, and apparently it was repealed.


    you don't belong anywhere near nuclear warheads
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    Sep 08, 2012 3:36 PM GMT
    IAmTheOneWhoKnocks saidSo I was researching it, and apparently it was repealed. So does that mean if I were to enter the Naval Academy, if I disclose that I'm gay to a fellow member, and they were to go to a superior with this information, I can't be discharged? Not that I would just go around saying "Hi, where's the bathroom? I like penis." or anything like that, but I'm just saying...

    Is there anyone here with a military background who might have some experience with this or know any information about the current policy concerning gay rights with the military? Thanks.
    The law of this land is that the military cannot disqualify you for service based on your gender, your religious beliefs, your race, your sexual orientation. Nor can they discharge you for these.

    The UCMJ still applies to everyone regardless of those catagories.
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    Sep 08, 2012 4:18 PM GMT
    I will assume you have been trekking along the Andes or something for the past 2 years.

    DADT was repealed. The vast majority of Republican politicians were (and some still are) against the repeal. The Democrats and the current President made it happen. You can be gay and serve in any branch of the armed forces. Even if you are not out, the repeal of DADT means that you cannot now be discharged, should someone inadvertently discover you are gay and tell your chain of command.

    As TropicalMark said, you will still be subject to codes of conduct that do not apply to civilians. For example, personnel (whether gay or straight) are generally not permitted to have sexual relations with one another whilst on operational deployment. (In reality, few can find the time, the place or the inclination to do so, but it has been known to happen.)
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    Sep 08, 2012 5:05 PM GMT
    calibro said
    IAmTheOneWhoKnocks saidSo I was researching it, and apparently it was repealed.


    you don't belong anywhere near nuclear warheads
    LMAO. You are so mean! icon_lol.gif
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    Sep 08, 2012 5:14 PM GMT
    eb925guy said
    calibro said
    IAmTheOneWhoKnocks saidSo I was researching it, and apparently it was repealed.


    you don't belong anywhere near nuclear warheads
    LMAO. You are so mean! icon_lol.gif


    Sometimes telling the truth seems mean to others, but calibro is correct on this one.
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    Sep 08, 2012 5:20 PM GMT
    So I was researching gay marriage in California, and apparently it was repealed by voters with some Prop 8 thing. I think there should be no hate. Hey, I just got this idea for a catchy slogan to fight prop 8...
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    Sep 08, 2012 5:23 PM GMT
    Iceblink saidSo I was researching gay marriage in California, and apparently it was repealed by voters with some Prop 8 thing. I think there should be no hate. Hey, I just got this idea for a catchy slogan to fight prop 8...
    OMG.. really?
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    Sep 08, 2012 5:39 PM GMT
    Indeed they are all correct. Repeal was implemented back in September i believe, in all branches. I went to boot camp back in October and along the way many people I have met and become friends with have found out i was gay and it's the biggest non issue on the planet. Which is exactly how it should be. No one cares as long as you aren't touching people inappropriately to doing obvious stuff to violate peoples space.
  • Montague

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    Sep 08, 2012 5:43 PM GMT
    You get all the gay rights afforded to you by the US Gov't, the current state your stationed in and subtract certain rights taken away from you by the UCMJ and you will see what you have left. icon_razz.gif
  • FuriousGeorge

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    Sep 08, 2012 5:51 PM GMT
    This should remove any doubt.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/post/new-gay-general-a-salute-is-in-order/2012/08/14/db358ad2-e631-11e1-9739-eef99c5fb285_blog.html
  • IAmTheOneWhoK...

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    Sep 08, 2012 7:34 PM GMT
    Thanks for the info, even to the bitchy queens with sarcastic remarks. Just because someone's in the Navy doesn't automatically mean they're working with nuclear warheads, dumb fucks.
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    Sep 08, 2012 9:49 PM GMT
    IAmTheOneWhoKnocks saidThanks for the info, even to the bitchy queens with sarcastic remarks. Just because someone's in the Navy doesn't automatically mean they're working with nuclear warheads, dumb fucks.

    calibro said you don't belong anywhere near nuclear warheads

    I think this one is for you Calibro icon_smile.gif
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    Sep 08, 2012 9:51 PM GMT
    IAmTheOneWhoKnocks saidThanks for the info, even to the bitchy queens with sarcastic remarks. Just because someone's in the Navy doesn't automatically mean they're working with nuclear warheads, dumb fucks.
    If your skin is that thin, you wont make it very far!icon_wink.gif
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    Sep 08, 2012 10:12 PM GMT
    Not thin skinned at all. Just call it as I see it. And I will go far, thanks. You think I'm thin skinned why...because of how I conduct myself toward idiots online....MENSA status right there ;)
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    Sep 08, 2012 10:16 PM GMT
    IAmTheOneWhoKnocks saidNot thin skinned at all. Just call it as I see it. And I will go far, thanks. You think I'm thin skinned why...because of how I conduct myself toward idiots online....MENSA status right there ;)


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    Sep 08, 2012 10:27 PM GMT
    IAmTheOneWhoKnocks saidThanks for the info, even to the bitchy queens with sarcastic remarks. Just because someone's in the Navy doesn't automatically mean they're working with nuclear warheads, dumb fucks.


    I think he said 'near' and not 'with'. I think there was genuine astonishment that a gay man would not know about the repeal of DADT, which is the one of the most important advances in gay rights in the US, ever. Perhaps you are just not interested in politics and current affairs, which is not a crime. At least you are doing your research now, which is good.

    You should be aware, however, that you will not get anywhere near the US Naval Academy without a very good knowledge of US and world current affairs, so, if that is your intended path, you will need to up your game, big time. The requirements for enlisting are not as intellectually demanding as the officer route, but you still need to know what is going on in the news and you will need to be able to take a joke (often at your expense).
  • IAmTheOneWhoK...

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    Sep 08, 2012 10:31 PM GMT
    Thank you, an actual real answer from someone who knows what he's talking about. Really appreciate it and I'll consider all of that.
  • calibro

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    Sep 08, 2012 10:33 PM GMT
    IAmTheOneWhoKnocks saidThanks for the info, even to the bitchy queens with sarcastic remarks. Just because someone's in the Navy doesn't automatically mean they're working with nuclear warheads, dumb fucks.


    allow me to explain my comment to you in terms of rhetoric. though my comment of you not working near nuclear warheads could be literal, as your reply here indicates, you only see it in that literal sense; however, there is a connotation in rhetoric called figurative language. when one is being figurative, one does not mean the literal definition and/or interpretation of what one says. for instance, sarcasm is a form of figurative language because when a speaker says "gee, that's a great idea" to someone who proposes "let's all get miley cyrus tattoos and join the navy," the sarcastic speaker does not really mean it is a good idea to do that. similarly, when i said you shouldn't work near nuclear warheads, i was commenting with the knowledge that, yes, there are many jobs in the navy in which a person is not near warheads. the figurative language was used (subtly, so this might have been your problem) to connect the implied ideas that a) nuclear warheads are weapons of mass destruction, and b) that someone who has just heard about a significant pieces of news almost a year after it was topical is someone who barely gets out from under the rock he crawled out of and who isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer (the bit about the knife is a metaphorical comparison, which is another type of figurative language). as someone who is in mensa, you should therefore be able to connect the two ideas that having a person that is not all together aware ("aware" here is being used as a figurative replacement for a host of other words, which is otherwise known as a euphemism) around the destructive power contained in a warhead is a bad idea. i hope that has clarified any confusion or inaccuracies you held over my original comment.
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    Sep 08, 2012 10:35 PM GMT
    I would not advise a gay man to join the US military until President Obama is reelected. Because if he is not, DADT will be reinstated.

    Or even worse, the US will revert back to an earlier time when you had to sign a form declaring you are not homosexual, or be barred from joining, or dishonorably discharged if already serving. That is what a majority of Republicans in Congress want, and what the Republican Party platform states.

    So I would hold-off from enlisting until after November. If Romney is elected, and Republicans control Congress, you will be dishonorably discharged for being gay. This is what they have pledged to do.
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    Sep 09, 2012 4:24 AM GMT
    I think it's too late for the OP to join the Naval Academy. This is something you need to prepare for starting in junior high. I've met and worked with a few guys that went, and it's really competitive. I agree with Ex_Mil8, OP should enlist.
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    Sep 09, 2012 4:48 AM GMT
    I can only speak from experience on this one. I was discharged under DADT in 2009 due to some unfortunate circumstances that I won't discuss in a public forum. I re enlisted last year after DADT was repealed and am currently finishing up initial entry training with the army. Having served on both sides of the law I can say that on both occasions, my sexual orientation has had no effect on my abilities to perform as a soldier. The only difference now is that someone who does not understand homosexuals cannot out me to a superior and ruin my career. I treat the military just as I would treat any other job, I keep my romantic and personal life separate. I don't hide my orientation by any means, every one in my 200 personnel strong company knows I'm gay, including cadre and civilian instructors. It's not because I'm flamboyant, it's because I talk about my partner when we all share personal stories and I am very open about my prior enlistment. If anything, my being different has benefited me and I've been thanked on multiple occasions by other gay and lesbian soldiers for setting a positive example for straight military members. All in all, if you make the decision to enlist, do it because it's something that you want to do, not for some political reason. Go in realizing that although you didn't ask for it, you will be representing a minority in the military and you will carry that burden. I saw that someone mentioned that you should wait until Obama is re elected, truth is, you can't live your life scared of what may happen. Laws change all the time, however once something is declared unconstitutional, the Supreme Court will not likely re instate it. If you have any other questions, feel free to message me directly. Either way, good luck!
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    Sep 09, 2012 4:50 AM GMT
    BeastMode saidI can only speak from experience on this one. I was discharged under DADT in 2009 due to some unfortunate circumstances that I won't discuss in a public forum. I re enlisted last year after DADT was repealed and am currently finishing up initial entry training with the army. Having served on both sides of the law I can say that on both occasions, my sexual orientation has had no effect on my abilities to perform as a soldier. The only difference now is that someone who does not understand homosexuals cannot out me to a superior and ruin my career. I treat the military just as I would treat any other job, I keep my romantic and personal life separate. I don't hide my orientation by any means, every one in my 200 personnel strong company knows I'm gay, including cadre and civilian instructors. It's not because I'm flamboyant, it's because I talk about my partner when we all share personal stories and I am very open about my prior enlistment. If anything, my being different has benefited me and I've been thanked on multiple occasions by other gay and lesbian soldiers for setting a positive example for straight military members. All in all, if you make the decision to enlist, do it because it's something that you want to do, not for some political reason. Go in realizing that although you didn't ask for it, you will be representing a minority in the military and you will carry that burden. I saw that someone mentioned that you should wait until Obama is re elected, truth is, you can't live your life scared of what may happen. Laws change all the time, however once something is declared unconstitutional, the Supreme Court will not likely re instate it. If you have any other questions, feel free to message me directly. Either way, good luck!



    A fellow veteran pocket gay!!!!
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    BeastMode saidI can only speak from experience on this one. I was discharged under DADT in 2009 due to some unfortunate circumstances that I won't discuss in a public forum. I re enlisted last year after DADT was repealed and am currently finishing up initial entry training with the army. Having served on both sides of the law I can say that on both occasions, my sexual orientation has had no effect on my abilities to perform as a soldier. The only difference now is that someone who does not understand homosexuals cannot out me to a superior and ruin my career. I treat the military just as I would treat any other job, I keep my romantic and personal life separate. I don't hide my orientation by any means, every one in my 200 personnel strong company knows I'm gay, including cadre and civilian instructors. It's not because I'm flamboyant, it's because I talk about my partner when we all share personal stories and I am very open about my prior enlistment. If anything, my being different has benefited me and I've been thanked on multiple occasions by other gay and lesbian soldiers for setting a positive example for straight military members. All in all, if you make the decision to enlist, do it because it's something that you want to do, not for some political reason. Go in realizing that although you didn't ask for it, you will be representing a minority in the military and you will carry that burden. I saw that someone mentioned that you should wait until Obama is re elected, truth is, you can't live your life scared of what may happen. Laws change all the time, however once something is declared unconstitutional, the Supreme Court will not likely re instate it. If you have any other questions, feel free to message me directly. Either way, good luck!
    That's awesome man. Glad you were able to re-enlist.
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    Sep 09, 2012 4:51 AM GMT
    I could probably offer insight into this subject as I interned for a DADT nonprofit in DC for 2 years, but quite frankly, I'm sick of the subject.....