Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams has admitted he didn't do enough ...over homosexuality.

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    Sep 08, 2012 12:45 PM GMT
    "Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams has admitted he didn't do enough to prevent sharp divisions within the Anglican church over homosexuality. ...

    The archbishop reiterated the church's opposition to gay marriage but said it had been "wrong" in its past treatment of homosexuals.

    "We've not exactly been on the forefront of pressing for civic equality for homosexual people, and we were wrong about that," he told the newspaper."

    Huh? He wants more civic equality, but still to discriminate on marriage? What the fuck do these people have about marriage? The idiot archbishop needs to talk to Chris Kluwe and Brendon Ayanbadejo. http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2483731
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    Sep 08, 2012 12:58 PM GMT
    He's been an idiot for his entire tenure, on many issues. Now he'll be replaced, it seems, by a rabid homophobe. Good going, COE.
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    Sep 08, 2012 2:56 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidHe's been an idiot for his entire tenure, on many issues. Now he'll be replaced, it seems, by a rabid homophobe. Good going, COE.
    He is not half as bad as the Nazi idiot who is Pope of closet case international also known as the Roman Catholic Church.
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    Sep 08, 2012 3:11 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    Art_Deco saidHe's been an idiot for his entire tenure, on many issues. Now he'll be replaced, it seems, by a rabid homophobe. Good going, COE.
    He is not half as bad as the Nazi idiot who is Pope of closet case international also known as the Roman Catholic Church.
    True!
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    Sep 08, 2012 3:17 PM GMT
    TropicalMark said
    roadbikeRob said
    Art_Deco saidHe's been an idiot for his entire tenure, on many issues. Now he'll be replaced, it seems, by a rabid homophobe. Good going, COE.
    He is not half as bad as the Nazi idiot who is Pope of closet case international also known as the Roman Catholic Church.
    True!

    Agree the NAZI Pope is worse. But that doesn't mean the COE isn't about to make a strong anti-gay turn with their next Archbishop of Canterbury.
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    Sep 08, 2012 3:18 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    Art_Deco saidHe's been an idiot for his entire tenure, on many issues. Now he'll be replaced, it seems, by a rabid homophobe. Good going, COE.
    He is not half as bad as the Nazi idiot who is Pope of closet case international also known as the Roman Catholic Church.


    The better of two evils is still evil.icon_evil.gif
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    Sep 08, 2012 4:55 PM GMT
    I'm tired of these religious figures being allowed to make statements about how they don't hate and that they are really all about Godliness and love when they are really at the forefront of the homophobia we see today

    There was recently a Catholic Priest who went to his cousin's same sex wedding and merely said a blessing statement .... not in ANY sort of official capacity just as a loving relative wishing his cousin the best

    The Nazi Church ..... sorry to the religious folk I calls em as I sees em
    got wind of it and the Bishop called the Priest in and was officially rebuked for just wishing his cousin well

    hate is hate and love is love
    either you are in the business of one or the other you can't deal in both
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    Sep 08, 2012 5:06 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    roadbikeRob said
    Art_Deco saidHe's been an idiot for his entire tenure, on many issues. Now he'll be replaced, it seems, by a rabid homophobe. Good going, COE.
    He is not half as bad as the Nazi idiot who is Pope of closet case international also known as the Roman Catholic Church.


    The better of two evils is still evil.icon_evil.gif
    That is a good, valid point. It is also the reason why I am no longer a Roman Catholic. The hate and hypocrisy is a real turn off.
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    Sep 08, 2012 5:12 PM GMT
    The sooner church and state in the UK are formally separated, the better. The CofE is an irrelevance to the vast majority of the population. I am ashamed to say we still have CofE bishops automatically appointed to our second legislative chamber. Can you imagine having 26 seats in your Senate reserved for unelected clergy? If people feel they need or want religion, let them have it, but not in my name.
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    Sep 08, 2012 7:23 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidHe's been an idiot for his entire tenure, on many issues. Now he'll be replaced, it seems, by a rabid homophobe. Good going, COE.


    Just as Bobby has nothing but contempt for anything that leans to the right, the same goes for anyone with religus leaning too; yet he puts himself up on a pedestal, and repeatedly overlooks his very own iniquity band the wrongs he has done to others; just for self advancement.

    You took have a long history of homophobia Bobby how are you any diffrent, or better?

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    Sep 08, 2012 9:32 PM GMT
    tru_blu_auzzie saidYou took have a long history of homophobia Bobby how are you any diffrent, or better?

    Please provide your evidence of my "long history of homophobia".

    And please provide evidence that your sentence was remotely English, in grammar or spelling. Drinking again, maybe?
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    Sep 08, 2012 9:48 PM GMT
    I suppose it is some consolation that the Episcopal version of the Anglican church in the US, while still not sanctioning gay marriages in the church, is at least more welcoming to homos than say the Catholic church. My (male) episcopal priest in Boston is married to a man and was recently one of three finalists on the short list for becoming Archbishop of New Hampshire. I give the Episcopal church a lot of credit for at least struggling with the issue. My own view is there is nothing to struggle over, but I give them points for at least trying.
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    Sep 08, 2012 9:59 PM GMT
    flieslikeabeagle saidI suppose it is some consolation that the Episcopal version of the Anglican church in the US, while still not sanctioning gay marriages in the church, is at least more welcoming to homos than say the Catholic church. My (male) episcopal priest in Boston is married to a man and was recently one of three finalists on the short list for becoming Archbishop of New Hampshire. I give the Episcopal church a lot of credit for at least struggling with the issue. My own view is there is nothing to struggle over, but I give them points for at least trying.


    The US Episcopal church is far more liberal than the Church of England, which, in turn, is more liberal than the African Anglican churches. They are all part of the 'Anglican Communion' of which the Archbishop of Canterbury is head. Instead of supporting the appointment of gay bishops in the US, Rowan Williams caved in to pressure from the homophobic African bishops and the conservative wing of the Church of England and vetoed the appointment of a gay bishop within the CofE, Jeffrey John, to whom he had already offered the job.
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    Sep 08, 2012 10:36 PM GMT
    tru_blu_auzzie said
    You took have a long history of homophobia Bobby how are you any diffrent, or better?

    You have a long history of alcoholism...............icon_rolleyes.gif how are you any better or different? U aint.. have another cocktail?
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    Sep 08, 2012 10:41 PM GMT
    The media was the biggest threat to the church, ever. Watched "The Crucible" the other night...the idea of a combination of church and state....icon_eek.gif

    We still have a LONG way to go...........
  • KissTheSky

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    Sep 08, 2012 11:34 PM GMT
    Archbishop Williams is so repentant over his past anti-gay positions, that he announces he maintains his anti-gay positions.
    Somehow this makes sense in his addled old mind. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 08, 2012 11:49 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidThe sooner church and state in the UK are formally separated, the better. The CofE is an irrelevance to the vast majority of the population. I am ashamed to say we still have CofE bishops automatically appointed to our second legislative chamber. Can you imagine having 26 seats in your Senate reserved for unelected clergy? If people feel they need or want religion, let them have it, but not in my name.


    then we can be like the USA with separation of church and state where religion NEVER intrudes on politics decisions icon_rolleyes.gif

    Mate, the cofE is formally important only. It has no real influence over anyone.
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    Sep 09, 2012 12:07 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    Art_Deco saidHe's been an idiot for his entire tenure, on many issues. Now he'll be replaced, it seems, by a rabid homophobe. Good going, COE.
    He is not half as bad as the Nazi idiot who is Pope of closet case international also known as the Roman Catholic Church.


    It's funny (or not) how many gay men who decry close-mindedness and hate speech and then engage in the very same behavior themselves. Don't you get that you're being just as hateful as the people you deride? Can you be that blind and dumb?
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    Sep 09, 2012 12:09 AM GMT
    flieslikeabeagle saidI suppose it is some consolation that the Episcopal version of the Anglican church in the US, while still not sanctioning gay marriages in the church, is at least more welcoming to homos than say the Catholic church. My (male) episcopal priest in Boston is married to a man and was recently one of three finalists on the short list for becoming Archbishop of New Hampshire. I give the Episcopal church a lot of credit for at least struggling with the issue. My own view is there is nothing to struggle over, but I give them points for at least trying.


    While at the same time they are virulently anti-semitic. So they're "good on gays" but "bad on Jews." Is that okay with you?
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    Sep 09, 2012 11:45 AM GMT
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    Ex_Mil8 saidThe sooner church and state in the UK are formally separated, the better. The CofE is an irrelevance to the vast majority of the population. I am ashamed to say we still have CofE bishops automatically appointed to our second legislative chamber. Can you imagine having 26 seats in your Senate reserved for unelected clergy? If people feel they need or want religion, let them have it, but not in my name.


    then we can be like the USA with separation of church and state where religion NEVER intrudes on politics decisions icon_rolleyes.gif

    Mate, the cofE is formally important only. It has no real influence over anyone.


    I think you will find the Church has significant influence over the more traditional elements of the Conservative Party, who, incidentally, were instrumental in forcing Cameron to drop gay marriage from the legislative programme recently . The CofE is not known as the 'Tory Party at prayer' for nothing.

    Chucking bishops out of parliament would not eliminate their influence on the legislature, but it would dilute it somewhat, plus, it would mean you and I were not paying their expenses.