Drinking Age to 18 from 21? Your thoughts.

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    Aug 20, 2008 4:43 PM GMT
    http://www.week.com/news/local/27154134.html

    This has been getting a lot of press lately. It seems lately that I can't turn on the TV without hearing SOMETHING about the college presidents who want to push to get the legal drinking age changed from 21 to 18.

    I don't think it will help curb binge drinking, and I also think that you'll end up with more drunk driving accidents for those who are 18-21. But I also believe that if you're old enough to save lives in a war, you should be old enough to make decisions, like drinking, about your own life.

    What are your thoughts on it? Do you think it should change? Why or why not? Also, do you think it will inevitably change- it's just a matter of when or do you think it will always be 21?
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    Aug 20, 2008 5:13 PM GMT
    ... does it matter??
    I mean let's look at this situation :

    I'm a 19 yo guy : Wow they changed the drinking age .. now I can drink !!


    exactly .. when someone drink he doesn't think about law ..
    In my country the drinking age is 18 .. though no one care ..
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    Aug 20, 2008 5:17 PM GMT
    Craigory123 saidhttp://www.week.com/news/local/27154134.html

    What are your thoughts on it?

    Oh, I dont know. But if you want to get together for drinks and discuss it...

    P.S., Leave the BF at home.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Oh, I crack me up.
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    Aug 20, 2008 5:44 PM GMT
    Change it. Do we really have fewer deaths caused by alcohol than other countries? The more you make something unattainable, the greater the desire to have it.
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    Aug 20, 2008 5:47 PM GMT
    icon_rolleyes.gif As if most people didn't start drinking at 16 or earlier anyway.

    As for drunk driving and all that - discipline, better manners, and good parents first. Legal drinking age here is 18. Still it's rare to see drinking binges here. Drinking is traditionally a group bonding thing (particularly among males) and not a party thing like it is in the US.
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    Aug 20, 2008 9:18 PM GMT
    In Canada it is 19. I am shocked that the USA will not allow people to drink until the age of 21, but allows them to vote in a nutbar to the Presidency. Very scary stuff.
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    Aug 20, 2008 9:23 PM GMT
    The reason this topic is getting any press on US television is because lowering the leagal drinking age to 18 is being backed strongly by several College Campus Presidents. I say lower the drinking age, everyone is doing it anyway.
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    Aug 20, 2008 9:32 PM GMT
    I think it should be lowered. For a couple of reasons

    Most countries have a drinking age of 18/19 on average. In some places you can buy beer and wine at 16.

    America has the highest drinking age of any country, that I know of no country is higher, some have the same age as the US and we also have highest problems with alcohol.

    Americans are known for being HUGE binge drinkers (it is a major factor I think in are larger than average waist size). We are taught that drinking is bad and shouldn't be done at all. While most other countries teach people to drink responsibly. Of course we drink underage because it was the thing to do to be cool in high school and now in college.

    I am in a fraternity where binge drinking is very acceptable, I see it all the time at our parties. Other countries kids my age frown about getting excessivly drunk in public (private parties are another story). I think one thing that needs to be done is not demonize drinking but rather teach people to be MORE responsible with it and make drunk driving laws more strict. My brother got TWO DUIs one while he wasn't even suppose to be driving. Now he's driving again legally. How messed up is that?

    Another thing if we can vote for the future of our country and die for our country how come we can't drink? We can smoke and thats more dangerous for your health.

    Parents can keep their kids from drinking all they want (which most of the time it fails anyway) but once they get sent off to college that parental control is almost completely gone. If a kid can at least drink their senior year in high school at least the parents are there to try and teach them to drink responsibly. At college they will learn to only binge drink its as simple as that

    I believe at first there would be HUGE problems with drinking when we first lower it but those problems will level off once people are used to it.

    If my kids want to drink at 16 or try it I will let them and teach them its not the worst thing in the world but they should do it with respect and reason.
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    Aug 20, 2008 9:32 PM GMT
    I say lower it. I think it's about time the US stopped being so afraid of drinking (and sex and so on...) and started teaching people how to handle adult topics like adults. And that means letting all adults drink and developing a culture where people learn earlier about how to drink responsibly-- so they don't have to through trial and fatal error.
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    Aug 20, 2008 9:36 PM GMT
    Lower the drinking age to 18. Lower the age of consent to 16 ;)

    Seriously, it makes no sense that you can fight for your country, but you can't have a beer. WTF?

    And people will argue that 18-year-olds are not mature enough to handle their anchor. Guess what? Neither are some 21-year-olds. Neither are some 30-year-olds.

    Regardless of the drinking age, young people are still going to drink, still going to drive, and sometimes, still going to drive in alcohol-related accidents. Whether the legal age is 21 or 18... that's not going change anything.

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    Aug 20, 2008 9:39 PM GMT
    at least we can be around parents at 18 and maybe learn to drink more responsibly instead of being such huge binge drinkers at 18. of course underage drinking will happen but at least it will be more around parents as opposed to away from them its like they are trying to raise the driving age to 18 which is dumb too. whats next you cant learn to drive or drink or vote until 25 30? never?
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    Aug 20, 2008 9:55 PM GMT
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  • joeindallas

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    Aug 20, 2008 10:01 PM GMT
    if they can drink in a bar they might get shut off and get the message. really if you were in a private home and getting loaded NOBODY would take the keys or shut you off. Old enought to Vote, Serve, and get Married. Old enough to drink
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    Aug 20, 2008 10:01 PM GMT
    I say lower it, it's not like the laws are actually stopping people from drinking before the age of 21. *I'm looking at you, the Bush girls*

    For instance in France we can drink legally from the age of 16, and it's not at if it's turned this country into nothing but beer and wine guzzlers......erm.......
  • CAtoFL

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    Aug 20, 2008 10:35 PM GMT
    Part of the idea of this is to shift the liability burden from the colleges to the private nightclubs. If an 18 year old gets drunk at a nightclub and mows down ten people on his way home, the nightclub can be legally liable (at least in the state of California). In fact, the nightclub, the bartender and even the owner (whether present or not) can be sued. The colleges realize if they get more 18-20 years olds off-campus and into private establishments, their legal exposure is lessened.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Aug 20, 2008 10:36 PM GMT
    Please keep in mind that most other countries are not as overly dependant on the automobile like the USA, therefore the problem with drunk driving is not as serious an issue as it is here in the USA. If we would do the right thing in this country by funding, developing and expanding public bus and rail transit and get away from cars, we would not have to worry about drunk driving especially among 18 and 19 year olds because public transit would be easily available. Also keep in mind that other countries have much tougher laws and penalties for drunk driving that are strictly enforced. Also American parents and guardians are too obsessed with being popular with their kids rather than providing them with disapline and direction. This is just another stumbling block to lowering the drinking age to 18. I support lowering the drinking age to 18 because adulthood begins at 18,but there has to be some major changes in American society first before we take this crucial step. icon_smile.gif
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    Aug 21, 2008 1:33 AM GMT
    I dont think it matters, as I dont see much of a difference in the age groups. There might be some more maturity, but because it's so "special" to be 21 and buy drinks, they can go crazy with it. 18, or 21, they might all go a little nuts and drink too much.

    In HS, I had coaches and teachers supply the students with liquor and beer on the weekends. They came to the parties too.

    The younger they get it out of their system, the better. I say make it 14, so they get over it before they can even drive!
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    Aug 21, 2008 1:40 AM GMT
    Change it. Most drinkers drink way before 21 as it is. In other countries they can legally drink before 21. and quite frankly, you are telling me that I can go to war and die for my country when im under 21 but i cant have a drink in my country because i am not 21. Come on...
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    Aug 21, 2008 1:42 AM GMT
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    Regardless of the drinking age, young people are still going to drink, still going to drive, and sometimes, still going to drive in alcohol-related accidents. Whether the legal age is 21 or 18... that's not going change anything.

    I knew MADD wasn't going to sit still for this debate:
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    Also: RoadBikeRob already expressed my thoughts about other countries not being as car-dependent for getting around.
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    Aug 21, 2008 1:51 AM GMT
    SurrealLife saidIn Canada it is 19. I am shocked that the USA will not allow people to drink until the age of 21, but allows them to vote in a nutbar to the Presidency. Very scary stuff.


    It's not the 18-21 age group that voted W in. I'm pretty sure they voted in large numbers for Kerry. It's the adult idiots that hate gays and love 'dem some freedom and misinformation that got the nutbar in.

    This is all a push from college presidents. There aren't a lot of other factions pushing it. I doubt it will go beyond debate.
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    Aug 21, 2008 1:58 AM GMT
    I say keep it the same. What is the big deal about the need to drink at such a young age anyway?

    There's a big difference between serving your country verses drinking a pint (I should know since I actually DID serve my country from age 19) and I really dislike it when people use that example to justify drinking at a young age. Shame on those who talk the talk but haven't walked the walk. I have personal feelings about this general topic since I lost 3 family members to an immature asshole of an individual who just happened to be the age of 18 and was drunk while driving and coming from a frat party (go fig). It's the typical story of 3 innocent bystanders driving home from church at night and getting struck by a drunk driver. They died and he lived. The eldest of the 3 was only 31 and the youngest was 5. You do the math. If the person driving drunk had been older I would still feel the same but being that the person was underage and doing an illegal act to begin with it sorta leaves a harsher taste in my mouth. Again you do the math.

    As soon as you lower the age then you'll be seeing 10 year olds (possibly younger) passing around 40's in classrooms. What makes drinking such a big deal that it needs to be lowered? The majority of those who are 21 and above have a hard enough time dealing with the consequences that drinking brings with it so lowering the age will not solve the porblem but only make it worse in my opinion. If the age is lowered then alot of things will definately change starting with the nightlife via clubs, bars, etc...since they serve alcohol then comes the schools which already have enough problems with drinking (rapes, vandalizisms, crime, drop out rates). Considering the way most people 18 and younger act do you really think that is such a good idea. I think not. Everyone wants to lower the age but has anyone really wondered why it was made 21 in the first place?

    It use to be at a much younger age before but was raised or did alot of you forget that? As for the age of consent goes 16 is the legal age in alot of states and I find it hard fo myself to shed a tear to all these teenage pregencies who are basically uneducated and completely blazhay about their actions with the majority of them accuring from being drunk (or high). No sympathey from me on either account.

    I say keep it the same since it's really not even that big of deal and just so no one things I'm bitter I didn't start drinking til I was 23 going on 24 and I'm happy I waited that long. I don't feel sorry for anyone under the age of 21 when it comes to drinking. Deal with it.

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    Aug 21, 2008 3:54 AM GMT
    I am sure there are more than a few of us in this topic who have had family and friends killed in an accident involving an underaged drunk driver (I myslef have lost family members on more than one occasion to a drunk driver), but lets face it. When someone is drinking, underaged or not, odds are that the law is the last thing on the mind of said person. It doesn't change the feelings of the people left behind. IT ALL SUCKS WHENEVER INNOCENTS PAY WITH THEIR LIVES FOR THE POOR DECISION MAKING OF A DRUNK DRIVER. Whether the driver is 18 or 80, its all the same to me, its fucking tragic for the ones who have to pay with their lives when all they wanted was to get home from work or to go to a birthday party for their new grandbaby.

    That said, I don't believe that underaged drinking and driving is quite the same as the subject of this thread, though it seems that many here have taken it to that.

    The topic here is if the legal drinking age should be lowered from 21 years old to 18 years old. My answer is yes.

    Although there is at least one poster here who might be irritated when I point out that if at 18 years of age I am considered by the general population of the voting public in this country to be competent AND RESPONSIBLE enough to carry a loaded ( and leathal) weapon in the presence of others and to die for my country, I would want to know that I can come home at the end of a hard day and have a fucking beer if I so choose. It hasn't happened in this generation yet (God willing it never will) but an 18 year old can be drafted and therefore ont given a choice whether or not to give his life for his counrty. That kid deserves a beer!!!
    AND!! If I am old enough to choose my president, pay my taxes and be tried for my crimes in an adult court of law, then I should have that right to come home and have a beer.
    At the age of 18 we are legally adults and therefore responsible for our own actions with the full penalty of law should we mess up (like drink and drive).

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    Aug 21, 2008 4:06 AM GMT
    Lower the drinking age and legalize marijuana. Can't wait to have those happen - not that I'm a big fan of consuming either, but it's about time we stop being so afraid and banning everything. It's funny that college presidents are backing it - probably because they are the most aware that whether anyone likes it or not, when students go to college, alcohol is pretty much legal at any age (and so is getting into the bars). I like to believe those at college are generally more mature than the rest of the population anyways. Of course there are a lot of exceptions, haha.
  • art_smass

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    Aug 21, 2008 1:56 PM GMT
    Here in Alberta, the drinking age is 18.
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    Aug 21, 2008 8:13 PM GMT
    Lower the drinking age. MADD tries to make it sound like a safety issue but is is a control issue. Our domestic puritans just can't help telling everybody else how to live. I remember when the drinking age was 18 and things were no different than now.