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Anyone of here practicing "The Secret" :The Law of Attraction
Alpha13 Posts: 332	Aug 20, 2008 10:14 PM GMT Quote I'm waiting to actually take a seminar on it but I have had some amazingly synchronistic things happen to me since I started .

muchmorethanm... Posts: 2767	Aug 20, 2008 11:13 PM GMT Quote I'm not too familiar as to how it works? Mind giving us an overview?
Alpha13 Posts: 332	Aug 20, 2008 11:37 PM GMT Quote It is as irrational and inexplicable as quantum physics. When i read stuff about quantum physics I find similarities. It probably gets to the root cause why life is so amazing weird most of the time. Things aren't what thy seem. Things "are" what we make them.
Hidden/Deleted Member	Aug 21, 2008 1:57 AM GMT Quote Yep. It's a part of my life. There is also a meditation CD out based on the teaching of "The Secret". Very Powerful. If you get a chance, go onto Youtube and look at the scenes from the film that were not in the final cut. -Den
lilmaninsc Posts: 463	Aug 21, 2008 1:59 AM GMT Quote I've read the book and watched the DVD. I've started applying "The Secret" and I have noticed changes. Everyone should do this.
Hidden/Deleted Member	Aug 21, 2008 1:59 AM GMT Quote Alpha13 saidI'm waiting to actually take a seminar on it but I have had some amazingly synchronistic things happen to me since I started . So, what kind of things have happened to you that are making you think you're creating those things in your life?
groundcombat Posts: 220	Aug 21, 2008 2:08 AM GMT Quote muchmorethanmuscle saidI'm not too familiar as to how it works? Mind giving us an overview? I won't even come close to doing it justice, but the overall idea is pitched as the law of attraction. When you have thoughts, you transmit those thoughts out into the universe and based on what kind of thoughts you're transmitting, the universe returns to you the same. Think of money and success, you transmit "requests" for money and success to the universe and it sends it right back to you. You transmit thoughts of poverty, diseases, etc. and that comes back as well. I liked where it started to go. We all can think of circumstances where this seems to be the case. People who are so joyous and happy that their attitude seems to rub off on those they are always around or the opposite with your "Debbie Downers." I got skeptical at how absolute they considered this law of attraction, especially in tragic circumstances. I might believe that Joe Random was constantly thinking about dying in a car crash when he smahed up his Jetta and bought the farm, but it's asking a lot for me to swallow that all those tsunami victims were constantly emitting thoughts of such a tragedy. And what about all the victims of Sept 11? You mean to tell me all of them were emitting thoughts of being killed in a plane crash, building collapse, or hijacking? I thought it would have been much better (and certainly much classier) if it left such large scale disasters as at least partially inexplicable. It also seemed to focus a way too much on the shallower implementations of The Secret like being wealthy and living a long time to spend your wealth. Tacky. Not to sounds like I'm running for Miss America but what about world peace or ending world hunger or something? Seems like a waste of such a powerful tidbit of knowledge to solely focus on a getting a new BMW.
ruck_us Posts: 739	Aug 21, 2008 2:09 AM GMT Quote Alpha13 saidI'm waiting to actually take a seminar on it but I have had some amazingly synchronistic things happen to me since I started . I didn't know that there was a seminar, but I loved the movie. If you liked What the Bleep Do We Know, you'll like The Secret. It's simplified Religious Science, if you ask me. It's based upon the Law of Attraction, which basically asserts that what you think you attract (whether positive or negative). I think a lot can be said for having a good attitude, a positive outlook and a grateful heart, even if those practices are not vibrating some spiritual quantum strings out there in the cosmos. Please let us know how it goes. Shoot me a link, if you wouldn't mind.
groundcombat Posts: 220	Aug 21, 2008 2:12 AM GMT Quote ruck_us said I think a lot can be said for having a good attitude, a positive outlook and a grateful heart, even if those practices are not vibrating some spiritual quantum strings out there in the cosmos. Precisely. And that's why I maintain that it's a good read. I just think they oversimplified the idea to make it more gimmicky and marketable.
SuneFL Posts: 129	Aug 21, 2008 2:22 AM GMT Quote groundcombat saidI read the book about a year ago. I had some beefs with it (mainly suggesting that people who think bad thoughts of disease, proverty, and natural disasters bring such things on themselves), but overall I felt that it, at the very least, promotes a very positive outlook on day-to-day life. I agree with you (groundcombat) whole-heartedly. I read this as I was losing sight to a genetic retinal disease. Byrne gives an example of a woman who "willed" herself to better eyesight. I applaud her effort. It didn't work for me. The Secret did not stop the illness from ravaging my eyes. And, I reject the notion that in some way I attracted this genetic problem into my life... as my brother has had to live with it too. It has changed my life though... despite what happened I have found new insight and a better appreciation for life. The secret is simply the power of positive thinking (ie... Norman Vincent Peale.) It's opening yourself up to all of the good things that life offers and embracing everything else as growth along the path to better self. A seminar would be interesting. Just don't get swept up into some of the cult-like atmosphere of which I have witnessed and read. It's supposed to be about attraction... not obsession.
OHhiker Posts: 438	Aug 21, 2008 2:46 AM GMT Quote Some things you get because you go after them, other things you get because the universe is filled with collisions that throw off uncontrolled debris. Any philosophy that ignores the randoms, has limited usefulness. I think 'the Secret' just gets you more focused on going after something - which really does work. But all things - like tsunami's are not the result of the collective desires of the victoms. I mean really - by that measure - there were no victoms of 911. Those New Yorkers and all those firemen and police - they were just willing that disaster into being everyday until inevitably it happened. WTF?!?!?? I've been part of a group that was all 'positive thinking' and you only get what you put out to the universe. It was miserable. You get lovely scenerios like Goal A assigned to you by Boss. You work hard on goal A, even though it's unrealistic. Boss assigns you lots of other crap that has nothing to do with goal A. You juggle. Results come in and goal A not accomplished. Boss disparages you and all your negative thoughts about goal A and tells to get your act together. Although you don't recall having one negative thought about goal A. BUT YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY GUILTY OR GOAL A WOULD HAVE BEEN ACCOMPLISHED. Completely miserable experience. There is power to positive thinking - its just not omnipotent power.
TigerTim Posts: 885	Aug 21, 2008 2:55 AM GMT Quote Wow. Words fail.
Hidden/Deleted Member	Aug 21, 2008 3:09 AM GMT Quote TigerTim saidWow. Words fail. Really? I have about 9,000 words I could say here, but what on earth would be the fucking use.
ObsceneWish Posts: 3364	Aug 21, 2008 3:16 AM GMT Quote TigerTim saidWow. Words fail. Oh, go ahead.
OHhiker Posts: 438	Aug 21, 2008 3:39 AM GMT Quote TigerTim saidWow. Words fail. Tell me about it. I've thought of drawing Dogbert style cartoons to document some of the experiences I had there. If not for the humor, for the therapy.
makeumyne Posts: 190	Aug 21, 2008 3:41 AM GMT Quote Remember that it's opposites that attract, not sames. So sending something out into the universe is overwhelmingly likely to repel the same thing. Of course, the exception is gravity, but the Large Hadron Collider could potentially help us explain why gravity is such a weak force and maybe even identify what the positive and negative factors of gravity are. It'll be interesting to see. Being positive and enjoying life sure makes life better though.
ActiveAndFit Posts: 2815	Aug 21, 2008 3:44 AM GMT Quote I tried practicing the secret when I was 5. I was oath bound not to tell my sister she got a doll for Christmas. Well she picked up the wrapped box and shook it. I immediately told her it WAS NOT a doll. DO you know she immediately knew it was a doll? So I learned then at the tender age of 5 that keeping secrets does not work!
CarlosGringo Posts: 528	Aug 21, 2008 3:46 AM GMT Quote I've been more or less practicing the same ideas since when I read something in Seth Speaks about creating my reality (about 25 years).
OHhiker Posts: 438	Aug 21, 2008 3:55 AM GMT Quote If you wanted to become a cat, it looks like you're really good at it.
ActiveAndFit Posts: 2815	Aug 21, 2008 3:57 AM GMT Quote Well I just gave it a try again, and neither lilman or OHhiker are here nekkid in my room. I even took off all my clothes!
CarlosGringo Posts: 528	Aug 21, 2008 4:01 AM GMT Quote MEOW
LalaPaulooza Posts: 548	Aug 21, 2008 4:06 AM GMT Quote is the WAYNE DYER 'attract anything you want in 30 days' banner that occasionally shows up in the midst of this forum random or what? ;)
SuneFL Posts: 129	Aug 21, 2008 4:07 AM GMT Quote We've attracted a bit of irony.
ruck_us Posts: 739	Aug 21, 2008 4:14 AM GMT Quote OHhiker said There is power to positive thinking - its just not omnipotent power. Best quote ever.
Alpha13 Posts: 332	Aug 21, 2008 7:15 AM GMT Quote I just read a piece about quantum physics where the scientist said that if you turn your back to the moon it disappears. One thing I have found out in doing"The Secret" is that universe exists only and completely for you. everything happens just for you. One must come to grips with the definition of a infinite universe. In an infinite universe absolutely everything can and does exist.
ClicheMemberN... Posts: 34	Aug 21, 2008 8:08 AM GMT Quote I lived in Jersey for 2 years (which I never wanted to be there in the first place). I got sent there through a management training program, but I knew someday it would lead me to my goal (a) california. While, I was there, I knew I didn't want to be there and I would always talk how I didn't want to be there. While living there, I was in the worse health of my life (I would get sick all the time). I got two huge staph infections that put me in the hospital. At first, I liked my job...but, the longer I stayed in Jersey the more I hated it...the worse the job got; boss was horrible. To summarize, my negative thoughts seemed to attract so many negative things. I read the Secret. I wanted to get out of Jersey. I was done. I wanted to finally be in California. I did as the book said. I drew myself on a piece of paper in front of a building with my company name; with big letters that said Los Angeles. I posted this picture on my wall above my bed for a couple of weeks. Two months later, I landed a transfer out to Los Angeles with my company. It was a little bit off because instead of working for Corporate (like i wanted), I was still working a hotel, however the picture I drew was still true. My hotel's and Los Angeles. Kinda funny. Since I've moved; my luck has skyrocketted. My happiness is at an all time high. Everytime I work/live with Debbie Downers; I seem to wish them away in my head and they seem to disappear from my life in some way. I keep thanking the universe/God for everything and things seem to be getting better and better. My health has increased incredibly. Anyway, I'm not too sure how much any of this had to do with the book, but it seems all too coincidental.
kinetic Posts: 677	Aug 21, 2008 8:18 AM GMT Quote I think remaining positive can always help, but secrets.. Secrets, secrets, they're no fun, all they do is hurt someone.
muchmorethanm... Posts: 2767	Aug 21, 2008 11:25 AM GMT Quote Thanks for all the input everyone. I'll have to check into it. By how you all described the concept, it sounds like something I'd like to learn.
joescorpio197... Posts: 833	Aug 21, 2008 11:27 AM GMT Quote I've read the book. In a nutshell, be happy with what you have in life, and learn to start thinking positive. Once you start doing that, things will get better. It seems pretty obvious, but sometimes you need to learn a new way of going about this. To me, "The Secret" seems to be Cognitive Behavioral Therapy from a guru-type perspective. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_behavioral_therapy
meninlove Posts: 1170	Aug 21, 2008 3:35 PM GMT Quote Hmmm.... two statements interest me, Things are what we make them, and that we create our own reality. Cancer and other misfortunes. Are there statistics that show bad things happening or not happening to practitioners of the Secret and other schools of thought like it? Those who practice this type of thing and have a slew of bad things happen to them: does this indicate they have not been 'doing it right' or somehow deserve the misfortunes of life if in fact we create our own reality? While I agree in an infinite universe and that anything and everything is possible, I can't believe it all takes place right here on this tiny planet - the universe is a big place. Lastly, if everyone in the world were to practice the Secret and assuming it is successful, attract wealth, where would all that money come from? How about everyone in the world using the Secret to get an excellent job? Are there even that many jobs out there? ....profound apologies if I'm offending anyone here. I really don't want to do that. Thanks for considering these questions and statements.
DiverScience Posts: 945	Aug 21, 2008 3:52 PM GMT Quote No, I've never believed much in the Law of Bullshit. It does not bear any resemblance to quantum physics, or anything else, because it doesn't exist. If it did, only bad girls would get raped, Fred Phelps would have been ripped apart by little demons, and Mother Theresa would have been the richest woman in history.
BearCub17 Posts: 228	Aug 21, 2008 3:53 PM GMT Quote Alpha13 saidIt is as irrational and inexplicable as quantum physics. When i read stuff about quantum physics I find similarities. It probably gets to the root cause why life is so amazing weird most of the time. Things aren't what thy seem. Things "are" what we make them. Quantum Mechanics actually makes very logical sense, it just contradicts classical physics.
mnjock2003 Posts: 365	Aug 21, 2008 4:20 PM GMT Quote I have tried to explain this before , probably unsuccessfully, but I will try again. (I am not a big fan of the Secret although I saw the painful movie and read the book but if it makes you have a positive outlook, then hey no harm, no foul). Cancer, tsunami's , death, birth, blindness, promotions, shiny bikes etc. are not intrinsically good or bad. These things exist to you based on your experiences and expectations of them but inherently, they are neither good nor bad. A promotion could end up being a bad thing, you never know. An intuitive person will use it as a catalyst to become better , to broaden there idea of good and bad. The skeptic will use it as an excuse to deny the existence of God and order and further cement their beliefs that the universe is mostly random. But just because YOU attach a value system to it, does not mean that it is somehow the universal law. Our bodies fail regardless of outlook. The planet will have catastrophes regardless of good wishes. Spirituality, physics, biology, religion affect how we cope with these things, they don't guarantee that they will or wont happen. It is how you deal with "tragedy" and "bliss" and any experience really, that positive and negative come into play. You choose... it is that simple. No one can define what every experience should be to you, although most everyone tries. I think the whole disease= bad, healthy body= good is an old cliche that has been disproved a billion times. We haven't even begun to scrape at what is possible and impossible because our pigeon brains can't grasp the concept that the universe is endlessly bountiful to those who see it as such. That being said. I think the secret is just the same cliche recycled new age BS that comes around every 5 years or so and it really is not that inventive. If it makes you take ownership of your life and the experiences you create, more power to you... but you should should doing that regardless of your spiritual beliefs.
Alpha13 Posts: 332	Aug 21, 2008 7:36 PM GMT Quote BearCub17 said Alpha13 saidIt is as irrational and inexplicable as quantum physics. When i read stuff about quantum physics I find similarities. It probably gets to the root cause why life is so amazing weird most of the time. Things aren't what thy seem. Things "are" what we make them. Quantum Mechanics actually makes very logical sense, it just contradicts classical physics. Yep. .When i get into my "The Secret" mental space ( which i can't quite control yet) everything..i mean every little thing makes absolute sense and every little thing that happens does so for a purpose. It is so much different than the day to day, nothing matters, humdrum meaningless unconscious life that people describe as "boring"
gettoknowit Posts: 1042	Aug 21, 2008 7:39 PM GMT Quote Figure out what you want before you use it is the only advice I can give you.
Delivis Posts: 405	Aug 21, 2008 7:53 PM GMT Quote I can't believe people buy into this nonsense.
Alpha13 Posts: 332	Aug 22, 2008 12:11 AM GMT Quote Delivis saidI can't believe people buy into this nonsense. Exactly....you just defined your space and your life..with the big ...I can't......what else "can't" you do? Keep a account of how many times a day you chant I can't to yourself...compared to the "i cans". How many " This job is killing me" affirmations does it take before you get a heart attack. Ask Michael Phelps what he is saying in his mind 24/7 to win all those medals. Olympians all practice "The Secret"
Hidden/Deleted Member	Aug 22, 2008 1:31 AM GMT Quote Alpha13 said Exactly....you just defined your space and your life..with the big ...I can't......what else "can't" you do? Olympians all practice "The Secret" All that means is that they believe in themselves. They don't have to subscribe to stupid, mean-spirited horseshit to do so.
OHhiker Posts: 438	Aug 22, 2008 3:26 AM GMT Quote Alpha13, It sounds like you are finding a real change in your mental state from prescribing to 'The Secret'. I'm glad you are having a positive response. None of my comments should dissuade anyone from listening to something that helps train their brain to be positive. It will lead to actions that are more constructive than negativity. I'm not the type to think in terms of 'I can't'. I do the work of three people at my office and I'm the last resort on technical problems - so there is no 'I can't' for me. There's always a way, it sometimes takes time for the answers to surface. You can get anything you want from life. 1) What you get 2) When you want it 3) At what price You can control any two you want, the universe will supply the third.
ObsceneWish Posts: 3364	Aug 22, 2008 2:50 PM GMT Quote I'm with JP on this. There is something mean-spirited about blaming people for their bad fortune. While it's all well and good to qualify the Secret by saying that it's about positive thinking, not about blaming people for everything that happens to them, the truth is that it does exactly that. I heard one of the film version's "authorities" actually hold people responsible for their genocide. One of the hellacious realities of life is that bad shit happens to us, no matter what we do, and we must take responsibility in our actions for it anyway. But to blame the victim is not a bit different from fundamentalism's preoccupation with sin.
Kozmeka Posts: 486	Aug 22, 2008 3:18 PM GMT Quote Sounds like a whole bunch of brain washing to me! I know someone who would not stop talking about it and then watched a DVD about it. To me it seems like a cult!! I am happy the way I am and live! Dont need help from books and videos.
Alpha13 Posts: 332	Aug 22, 2008 4:41 PM GMT Quote [quote][cite]obscenewish said[/cite]I'm with JP on this. There is something mean-spirited about blaming people for their bad fortune. While it's all well and good to qualify the Secret by saying that it's about positive thinking, not about blaming people for everything that happens to them, the truth is that it does exactly that. I heard one of the film version's "authorities" actually hold people responsible for their genocide. One of the hellacious realities of life is that bad shit happens to us, no matter what we do, and we must take responsibility in our actions for it anyway. But to blame the victim is not a bit different from fundamentalism's preoccupation with sin. [/qu One of the points of the secret is to stop filling our heads with "they. " There is no "they" to "blame anyone". The conspiracy that you imagine is running your life and telling you what to do is in your imagination. You might as well imagine something more fun for yourself.
Alpha13 Posts: 332	Aug 22, 2008 4:46 PM GMT Quote Kozmeka saidSounds like a whole bunch of brain washing to me! I know someone who would not stop talking about it and then watched a DVD about it. To me it seems like a cult!! I am happy the way I am and live! Dont need help from books and videos. It is brain washing......listen to the words you say all the time.....you wash the nasty stuff out of your brain that is torturing you. For instance? " I can't post a pic of my body because "i am fat and can't lose weight ...."i am fat and can't lose weigh"......i am fat and can't lose weigh".....i am fat and can't lose weigh.....Your body as no choice but to follow your brains direction.
ObsceneWish Posts: 3364	Aug 22, 2008 8:19 PM GMT Quote Until you accept Jesus...I mean the secret, your life will not change. If you accept Jesus...I mean the secret, and your life does not change, it's because you have inadequate faith...I mean positive thoughts. You've accepted Jesus...I mean the Secret... and you've demonstrated your faith...I mean your blind trust... and your life still hasn't gotten better? You are still indulging sinful thoughts...I mean negative thinking.
Kozmeka Posts: 486	Aug 22, 2008 8:33 PM GMT Quote [quote] It is brain washing......listen to the words you say all the time.....you wash the nasty stuff out of your brain that is torturing you. For instance? " I can't post a pic of my body because "i am fat and can't lose weight ...."i am fat and can't lose weigh"......i am fat and can't lose weigh".....i am fat and can't lose weigh.....Your body as no choice but to follow your brains direction. [/quote] Wow and Im being negative? This is exactly my point! Whoo hoo im fat!!!! Funny thing is that I dont need any seminar crap to live a better life! I have gone from weight 175 pds to 135 pds and Im damn proud of it! its called believing in your self!!! In regards to pics, hmmm, I wonder whos the guy in my profile? Keep in mind i was only expressing what I thought and not planning to play your game of NEGATIVE SECRET THOUGHTS!
Hidden/Deleted Member	Aug 22, 2008 9:17 PM GMT Quote I love the whole concept and wish I was better able to integrate it in my daily thoughts, if for no other reason than to just curb my negative thinking. I do love a lot of the quotes though. The Reverend said nothing new can come into your life until you're grateful for what you already have and that's what I try to focus on.
ursamajor Posts: 1418	Aug 22, 2008 9:33 PM GMT Quote I enjoy my negative thoughts. They are fabulous. I have them morning, noon, and night. Positive people annoy me no end. Go fuck a daisy douchebag.
Delivis Posts: 405	Aug 22, 2008 9:43 PM GMT Quote Kozmeka said[quote] I have gone from weight 175 pds to 135 pds and Im damn proud of it! its called believing in your self!!! So i take it all you did for a few weeks is eat, drink, sleep, go to the bathroom (all the same as you did before), and the rest of the time was spent sitting and thinking "i am skinny"?
Kozmeka Posts: 486	Aug 22, 2008 9:48 PM GMT Quote ursamajor saidI enjoy my negative thoughts. They are fabulous. I have them morning, noon, and night. Positive people annoy me no end. Go fuck a daisy douchebag. KOZMEKA claps and cheers URSmajor!!! Hey thought I would share this it reminds of this this dudes mentalitly............exactly WHAT!!!!!
Kozmeka Posts: 486	Aug 22, 2008 9:59 PM GMT Quote Delivis said Kozmeka said[quote] I have gone from weight 175 pds to 135 pds and Im damn proud of it! its called believing in your self!!! So i take it all you did for a few weeks is eat, drink, sleep, go to the bathroom (all the same as you did before), and the rest of the time was spent sitting and thinking "i am skinny"? I just stopped saying the word THEY!!!! oh oh and as Alpha dude said: I drained the negative stuff out of my head I can't post a pic of my body because - There is already one duh! I am fat and can't lose weigh - Because I already lost it - I dont want to vanish either. Seriously.......Biking and excersizing did it for me and lots of determination! (without Secrets)
mickeytopogig... Posts: 1022	Aug 22, 2008 10:40 PM GMT Quote Every self-help feel-good secret code quantum flux pseudoscience jingoistic Gregorian chanting energy field mantra should have its counter-balancing "Power of Critical Thinking" posted right along side of it. The beauty of "The Secret" is how the same garbage I remember from a generation ago is repackaged as something new (yet old). I wish there were blogs in the 1970s, from where I could copy and paste the commentary and criticisms of Norman Vincent Peale and spare us the redundancy. Ah, shit, there I go sounding like a negative-energy nelly.
ursamajor Posts: 1418	Aug 22, 2008 10:49 PM GMT Quote Just as an aside, my partner can do an impression of Tom Cruise that will absolute kill you. That video is side splitting.
5537B00B Posts: 167	Aug 22, 2008 10:58 PM GMT Quote Don't knock it: Studies have shown that golfers who merely think about golf/imagine the perfect golf swing go on to perform better. The imagination relays messages to the muscles or something. I'll let you guys know when I win the lottery - it's only a matter of time! I can feel it.
ursamajor Posts: 1418	Aug 22, 2008 11:07 PM GMT Quote Look, if this worked then I would be surrounded by, well, SEX AND HOT GUYS, because I think about that about 22.59 minutes a day. (the rest is toilet breaks). OK, so it DOESN'T WORK. This is HOGWASH and it is cruel and awful. Just like Louise Hay blaming people with AIDS and all of that crap. This recycles every so often in the Gay world and it is a MANIFESTATION OF SELF LOATHING. This is NOT POSITIVE, really it isn't. Own your shit. It is who you are. There is nothing wrong with it. Don't try to be some idiotic positive robot. If your sad be all the way sad. If your happy do it up right. If you love do it with abandon. Learn how to compromise, how to believe in people despite the fact that we are all FUCKED UP BEYOND REPAIR. If you are 40 you are just going to have to live with your personality problems, because their is NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO REALLY CHANGE. Peace is the plan. Peace is our profession. Terry
bgcat57 Posts: 998	Aug 22, 2008 11:10 PM GMT Quote Positive thinking does often have positive results but not because of some sort of magic. If you have a positive attitude, the likelyhood that you will make a good decision based on critical thinking is higher than if you are basing your decision on fear, arrogance, or arbitrary faith in which case your likely to make a bad decision that increases the likelyhood of failure either immediately or eventually. Given that there are things that happen around you that you have no effect on, you are likely to remember and attribute only the positive or negative incidents based on your state of mind. It doesn't change those events in any way. It only affects the filter through which you view events. ...on the other hand, I could be wrong...
Hidden/Deleted Member	Aug 22, 2008 11:11 PM GMT Quote mickeytopogigio said The beauty of "The Secret" is how the same garbage I remember from a generation ago is repackaged as something new (yet old). I wish there were blogs in the 1970s, from where I could copy and paste the commentary and criticisms of Norman Vincent Peale and spare us the redundancy.. You don't need to go as far back as Dr. Mountebank Vincent Peale. This is just est repackaged. Est was nasty, small-minded and stupid back then and it's no better in its newest incarnation. I saw firsthand many years ago the spectacle of an est zombie earnestly telling a terminal cancer patient how his negative energy had brought the illness on, and how he must redirect his thoughts to cure himself. I am not a violent person, but I felt like punching the schmuck in the schnoz. Laetrile, anyone?
ObsceneWish Posts: 3364	Aug 22, 2008 11:27 PM GMT Quote I really think Kathryn Kuhlman, the mad diva of televangelists gone by, is a much better teacher than Oprah and friends.
ursamajor Posts: 1418	Aug 22, 2008 11:41 PM GMT Quote Holy Batshit, that is one awesome piece of video. What did we do before You Tube??? What about Amee Semple McPherson? And never forget Mary Baker Eddy (buried with her telephone)
ObsceneWish Posts: 3364	Aug 22, 2008 11:46 PM GMT Quote UrsaJust like Louise Hay blaming people with AIDS and all of that crap. This recycles every so often in the Gay world and it is a MANIFESTATION OF SELF LOATHING. Back in the mid-'80s, several of my friends with AIDS went to Louise's ranch/spa/miracle healing temple in Palm Springs (I think). They learned to recite positive affirmations and were spread out on a platform and covered with healing crystals. I was living in Houston at the time. Soon enough, the disease progressed despite Louise's diagnosis that AIDS is all about the way you think. I was in the hospital with my friend Michael while he was dying and members of his "support group" came in and literally tormented him with the information that his impending death was a consequence of his negative thinking, not of his body's condition. It was really one of the cruelest spectacles I've ever witnessed.
ObsceneWish Posts: 3364	Aug 22, 2008 11:51 PM GMT Quote ursa What about Amee Semple McPherson? There's some great video of Aimee on Youtube too.
Hidden/Deleted Member	Aug 23, 2008 12:56 AM GMT Quote ursamajor saidWhat about Amee Semple McPherson? Speaking of pokin' people in the schnoz, Aimee decked her mother on one famous occasion....
mickeytopogig... Posts: 1022	Aug 23, 2008 1:06 AM GMT Quote 5537B00B saidDon't knock it: Studies have shown that golfers who merely think about golf/imagine the perfect golf swing go on to perform better. The imagination relays messages to the muscles or something. Yes, we call that memory. I remember how to swing a golf club. Thus, I swing it nearly the same as I remember. Unless I've been drinking.
Hidden/Deleted Member	Aug 23, 2008 1:12 AM GMT Quote mickeytopogigio saidYes, we call that memory. I remember how to swing a golf club. Thus, I swing it nearly the same as I remember. Unless I've been drinking. Well, YOU are obviously an elitist, secular humanist, rationalist, and probably Communist. I'll bet you're even a fag.
Chuy2010 Posts: 252	Aug 23, 2008 1:14 AM GMT Quote And here I thought "The Secret" was gonna be some new way to pick up hott guys. Alright I'm putting that thought out there!
Hidden/Deleted Member	Aug 23, 2008 1:18 AM GMT Quote I typical avoid anything that Oprah recommends but I've read a little bit about this pseudo-religion. It's very similar to most other backwards faiths out there that teach belief = salvation in any situation. If you aren't saved then you didn't believe hard enough. Doesn't make much sense, does it?
innerathlete Posts: 500	Aug 23, 2008 1:57 AM GMT Quote "The Secret" is just a greedy, mean-spirited way of repackaging the very rational idea of, "Define clear goals for yourself, create a strong intention to achieve them, take steps to get there." I'm as spiritual as they come but "The Secret" just makes me angry. It's an oversimplified money-making product that shows no nuanced understanding of the role that the individual subconscious and psychology both play in the realities we create for ourselves. You can draw all the vision boards in the world - but if you have an unconscious commitment to, say, poverty, no piece of poster board is going to bring in your first million. Results require smart work and hard work.
realfag Posts: 2	Aug 23, 2008 2:04 AM GMT Quote Conscious living, is the only way to live! I'm a Licensed Practitioner of Science of Mind, if anyone would like to chat about a complimentary session--let me know! Cheers, realfag/Toronto!OLD TEXT GOES HERE
Alpha13 Posts: 332	Aug 23, 2008 2:26 AM GMT Quote Chuy2010 saidAnd here I thought "The Secret" was gonna be some new way to pick up hott guys. Alright I'm putting that thought out there! When a ripped 26. y.o, shows up at your door asking for a date you kinda start to believe in the method. I have not spent a penny on "the secret". And i am totsally anti-religious.. ....
Chuy2010 Posts: 252	Aug 23, 2008 3:11 AM GMT Quote Alpha13 said Chuy2010 saidAnd here I thought "The Secret" was gonna be some new way to pick up hott guys. Alright I'm putting that thought out there! When a ripped 26. y.o, shows up at your door asking for a date you kinda start to believe in the method. I have not spent a penny on "the secret". And i am totsally anti-religious.. .... Um Im still waiting for that ripped 26 yo....cmon secret, cmon.
Alpha13 Posts: 332	Aug 23, 2008 4:34 AM GMT Quote Chuy2010 said Alpha13 said Chuy2010 saidAnd here I thought "The Secret" was gonna be some new way to pick up hott guys. Alright I'm putting that thought out there! When a ripped 26. y.o, shows up at your door asking for a date you kinda start to believe in the method. I have not spent a penny on "the secret". And i am totsally anti-religious.. .... Um Im still waiting for that ripped 26 yo....cmon secret, cmon. i swear it happened to me.
briz Posts: 34	Aug 23, 2008 5:15 AM GMT Quote Just for your information the Australian woman that "came up" with The Secret,stole it almost word for word from another author. Bitch is laughing all the way to the bank.
Hidden/Deleted Member	Aug 23, 2008 5:16 AM GMT Quote Briz saidJust for your information the Australian woman that "came up" with The Secret,stole it almost word for word from another author. Bitch is laughing all the way to the bank. Werner Erhard, probably.
cstbrian Posts: 12	Aug 23, 2008 6:16 PM GMT Quote I will admit that I have never seen the Secret, and not sure if I will. I am a fan of Abraham-Hicks work. They are actually the original secret behind the Secret. They were the main focus of the movie in the original cut, but when the Secret produces wanted to go for mass distribution and mega money, the Hicks' decided it was in their best interest to pull themselves from involvement with the Secret. I am glad they did. I believe that they are THE driving force behind Law of Attraction and many 'big' names (like Dyer and Hay) look up to Abraham-Hicks as the most complete and accurate information available about Law of Attraction. There's so much more involved than just 'thinking' about something long enough or hard enough. Abraham-Hicks' material teaches what it's really all about and how to accurately apply these principles to your life. I recommend starting with Ask and It is Given (either book or CD) and go from there. It's been almost a year since I listened to my first Abraham-Hicks CD set and my life has been on a constant, positively changing flow since I decided to consciously change my thoughts. There's not turning back for me now.
Hidden/Deleted Member	Aug 24, 2008 2:29 AM GMT Quote cstbrian said It's been almost a year since I listened to my first Abraham-Hicks CD set and my life has been on a constant, positively changing flow since I decided to consciously change my thoughts. There's not turning back for me now. No, I guess once you've embraced your inner nincompoop, there IS no turning back.
cstbrian Posts: 12	Aug 24, 2008 11:40 AM GMT Quote jprichva said cstbrian said It's been almost a year since I listened to my first Abraham-Hicks CD set and my life has been on a constant, positively changing flow since I decided to consciously change my thoughts. There's not turning back for me now. No, I guess once you've embraced your inner nincompoop, there IS no turning back. One can believe and practice what he/she chooses. I don't try to change anyone else but myself and am very happy with the results. But, I am curious if you would be saying the same thing to someone who just discovered his/her religious beliefs?
gettoknowit Posts: 1042	Aug 31, 2008 9:36 PM GMT Quote I just had a major realization. There is a part of the Miracle Manifestation Manual that when used selectively is more powerful. You must go in to how you feel about the beliefs the manual proposes and then make your own feelings very loving about what you might already think about those beliefs.
Azstreaker Posts: 616	Sep 13, 2008 12:17 AM GMT Quote Hello guys, Since 1998 I have been practicing the Law of Attraction as outlined by http://www.abraham-hicks.com/lawofattractionsource/index.php group. I was introduce to their teachings and found the words to inspire and change my life. I have also read the secret and I have studied more about quantum physics. You can see several youtube links that show and offer the seminars on these topics(FREE). I can say life is really GOOD.....I hope it is for you to!
mickeytopogig... Posts: 1022	Sep 13, 2008 12:33 AM GMT Quote I suppose the true test of the power of The Secret is to wish it away and see if it truly does. Captain Kirk could use this as a thought paradox to defeat Harry Mudd's androids.
Azstreaker Posts: 616	Sep 13, 2008 12:37 AM GMT Quote mickeytopogigio saidI suppose the true test of the power of The Secret is to wish it away and see if it truly does. Captain Kirk could use this as a thought paradox to defeat Harry Mudd's androids. Awe...why so sour all the time?? Did you get into a batch or sour grapes? The power of positive thought process really works. Have you made your million yet?? Getting out of the ghetto is a good thing!!
TigerTim Posts: 885	Sep 13, 2008 2:22 AM GMT Quote Wait, Quantum Mechanics? ROTFL!
ObsceneWish Posts: 3364	Sep 13, 2008 2:40 AM GMT Quote This book have made my electrons rich.
TigerTim Posts: 885	Sep 13, 2008 2:43 AM GMT Quote Basically, OW, I want you to diagonalize my Hamiltonian having decomposed me into a suitable representation of basis functions. After that I want you to take my largest eigenvalue and determine whether or not its a bound state. Would you do that, please?
ObsceneWish Posts: 3364	Sep 13, 2008 2:48 AM GMT Quote If you build it, they will come.
Stoms74 Posts: 38	Sep 13, 2008 9:10 AM GMT Quote I am a big believer in this and the personal development movement.... Napoleon Hill so on and so fourth lol
dreamdrop Posts: 400	Sep 13, 2008 9:01 PM GMT Quote I just watched it this morning but the old man giving the boy a bike is kinda creepy.
Azstreaker Posts: 616	Sep 13, 2008 11:58 PM GMT Quote dreamdrop saidI just watched it this morning but the old man giving the boy a bike is kinda creepy. Grandpa's can be scary!!
MikemikeMike Posts: 1038	Sep 16, 2008 2:33 PM GMT Quote I heard Cindy and John do-Hilary didn't.
KissingPro Posts: 353	Sep 16, 2008 10:55 PM GMT Quote [I liked where it started to go. We all can think of circumstances where this seems to be the case. People who are so joyous and happy that their attitude seems to rub off on those they are always around or the opposite with your "Debbie Downers." I got skeptical at how absolute they considered this law of attraction, especially in tragic circumstances. I might believe that Joe Random was constantly thinking about dying in a car crash when he smahed up his Jetta and bought the farm, but it's asking a lot for me to swallow that all those tsunami victims were constantly emitting thoughts of such a tragedy. And what about all the victims of Sept 11? You mean to tell me all of them were emitting thoughts of being killed in a plane crash, building collapse, or hijacking? I thought it would have been much better (and certainly much classier) if it left such large scale disasters as at least partially inexplicable. (quote) I had a problem with The Secret. I too liked where it started to go. But I couldn't accept, for example, that big and small bad things that happen to indiviuals, groups, nations etc. is a result of people thinking the same negative thoughts. It is a souped up version of the power of positive thinking. Yes, some amazing things happen when you have the power of positive thinking, but I don't think you need a specific philosophy like The Secret for it to happen. I was introduced to it by a guy who I really really liked in a special way...a one in a million kind of guy. He said he felt the same way and encouraged and seemingly wanted a relationship. It turned out the guy was simply playing me and simply needed me for attention, validation, his own ego, whatever. Part of the reason I liked him was his "spirituality". But I realized that he had read up on topics such as "The Secret", and was able to espouse the principles of it, but that was it. Later I felt he was using "spirituality" to enhance his image, and his image was all about being a hot guy, but his spirituality was just on the surface.
Alpha13 Posts: 332	Sep 17, 2008 12:17 AM GMT Quote emingly wanted a relationship. It turned out the guy was simply playing me and simply needed me for attention, validation, his own ego, whatever. Part of the reason I liked him was his "spirituality". But I realized that he had read up on topics such as "The Secret", and was able to espouse the principles of it, but that was it. Later I felt he was using "spirituality" to enhance his image, and his image was all about being a hot guy, but his spirituality was just on the surface. I see that a lot in "environmentalists" and "eco minded" people that I meet up with on the earth friendly pretense. They talk the talk but as I examine their "interests" it turns out that they "are" only what they have read. They have never actually have had an organic garden, never really generated any power from the sun, never owned a electric car ,never lived off the land etc. etc. ...but they are really, really "interested" in it . Givin me a frikin break. "The Secret", BTW, will remain a secret to those that find comfort and validation in being this same media defined human being.
ObsceneWish Posts: 3364	Sep 17, 2008 12:50 PM GMT Quote Kissing Prot turned out the guy was simply playing me and simply needed me for attention, validation, his own ego, whatever. Part of the reason I liked him was his "spirituality". But I realized that he had read up on topics such as "The Secret", and was able to espouse the principles of it, but that was it. Later I felt he was using "spirituality" to enhance his image, and his image was all about being a hot guy, but his spirituality was just on the surface. I've seen a zillion clients into "new thought" spirituality. Basically, they spiritualize all their problems, with the belief that a magical formula like the Secret will resolve their conflict. I don't see it being process-wise much different from the magical thinking of conservative theologies.
NNJfitandbi Posts: 1234	Sep 17, 2008 12:58 PM GMT Quote obscenewish said Kissing Prot turned out the guy was simply playing me and simply needed me for attention, validation, his own ego, whatever. Part of the reason I liked him was his "spirituality". But I realized that he had read up on topics such as "The Secret", and was able to espouse the principles of it, but that was it. Later I felt he was using "spirituality" to enhance his image, and his image was all about being a hot guy, but his spirituality was just on the surface. I've seen a zillion clients into "new thought" spirituality. Basically, they spiritualize all their problems, with the belief that a magical formula like the Secret will resolve their conflict. I don't see it being process-wise much different from the magical thinking of conservative theologies. Yah, helps a bit. But it doesn't stop that tidal wave from engulfing you or that bullet from going straight through your cranium.
Azstreaker Posts: 616	Sep 28, 2008 6:00 AM GMT Quote NNJfitandbi said obscenewish said Kissing Prot turned out the guy was simply playing me and simply needed me for attention, validation, his own ego, whatever. Part of the reason I liked him was his "spirituality". But I realized that he had read up on topics such as "The Secret", and was able to espouse the principles of it, but that was it. Later I felt he was using "spirituality" to enhance his image, and his image was all about being a hot guy, but his spirituality was just on the surface. I've seen a zillion clients into "new thought" spirituality. Basically, they spiritualize all their problems, with the belief that a magical formula like the Secret will resolve their conflict. I don't see it being process-wise much different from the magical thinking of conservative theologies. Yah, helps a bit. But it doesn't stop that tidal wave from engulfing you or that bullet from going straight through your cranium. Everything in this world is part of this Law of Attraction...even Nations. Look how fear has gripped the country...when only a few months back All was calm.....maybe it's something bigger than any of us really can comprehend.....ya think?
ruck_us Posts: 739	Sep 28, 2008 6:50 AM GMT Quote I listened to CDs 1-3 during a 400 mile road trip, today. What AZStreaker posted, just a moment ago, resonates with some of my own observations. While driving, I was thinking that Obama articulates a clear vision for the future that he wants for the country. He intends to strengthen the economy, rebuild our international credibility and husband a culture of hope. McCain seems to be borrowing from W's playbook when he uses fear tactics to justify many of his positions. If the Law of Attraction really does work, then I want to live in the nation and world that Obama envisions.
raynedog Posts: 27	Sep 28, 2008 9:14 AM GMT Quote I think the key to applying The Secret is unwavering faith in the power of the Law of Attraction. That is the secret behind The Secret. This is probably why some of you are failing and having doubts about the Law of Attraction. Do you have absolute faith in what the teachers of the secret preach? They lead amazing, rich lives. Perhaps they have a secret behind their secret they didn't tell you? Surely not, they would have told us in the DVDs! One way to tell whether you have faith is to test your faith against an opposing view and then measure your conviction. I leave it open for you to decide ;-) Rhonda Byrne’s Dirty Little Secret http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/rhonda-byrne-dirty-little-secret/ $150 million battle to keep The Secret http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2008/05/17/1210765254572.html Shaking Riches Out of the Cosmos http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/25/fashion/25attraction.html Mum on pension the biggest secret http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/05/18/1178995410796.html
Delivis Posts: 405	Oct 08, 2008 2:16 AM GMT Quote The credulity in this thread is beyond measure now.
Azstreaker Posts: 616	Oct 11, 2008 6:52 AM GMT Quote Delivis saidThe credulity in this thread is beyond measure now. The proof I have is just what I have witnessed in my personal life...So I do believe...and most of all...I......BELIEVE IN ME!!
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