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    Sep 10, 2012 7:26 PM GMT
    Hey Gents,

    This is more of a cry for assistance. I have a lot of allergies, most of them being food allergies. Basically was the fat kid in high school. Got diagnosed with this terrible outcome and was able to drop lbs with diet and cardio alone and well... here I am. However, Since I am at the point of taking it to the next level, which is bulking up, I am having an issue with food. I can't get enough protein in me, and not for lack of trying. There just aren't enough sources for me. I have tried the shakes(whey) before, but I blew up. Should have seen my ears! I could have gave Dumbo a run for his money.

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    Currently I am a chicken with quinoa type of guy. I would say that is my staple for when I am by myself. Really, i can only eat so much of one thing before just the sight of it makes me sick. However, the issue is other meals... Dinner can be flipped any which way. I have been researching, but I wanted to know if anyone has ideas or what you use for the majority of your protein consumption.

    Thanks in advance

    P.S. - Correct me if I'm wrong, but when you are trying to gain muscle you should eat a gram for every pound you weight?
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    Sep 10, 2012 11:40 PM GMT
    Genre saidHey Gents,

    This is more of a cry for assistance. I have a lot of allergies, most of them being food allergies. Basically was the fat kid in high school. Got diagnosed with this terrible outcome and was able to drop lbs with diet and cardio alone and well... here I am. However, Since I am at the point of taking it to the next level, which is bulking up, I am having an issue with food. I can't get enough protein in me, and not for lack of trying. There just aren't enough sources for me. I have tried the shakes(whey) before, but I blew up. Should have seen my ears! I could have gave Dumbo a run for his money.

    The List:

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    Currently I am a chicken with quinoa type of guy. I would say that is my staple for when I am by myself. Really, i can only eat so much of one thing before just the sight of it makes me sick. However, the issue is other meals... Dinner can be flipped any which way. I have been researching, but I wanted to know if anyone has ideas or what you use for the majority of your protein consumption.

    Thanks in advance

    P.S. - Correct me if I'm wrong, but when you are trying to gain muscle you should eat a gram for every pound you weight?


    The correct amount of protein for gaining lean muscle is 1.2-1.7g/kg. Since you are below your standard weight for height currently (6'1" man ideal is 184 lbs 10%), Let's put you at the max.

    So at 170 lbs, you are 77.3 kg. 77.3* 1.7 = 131g protein. Let's spread this out throughout the day so you get maximum protein synthesis, shall we? 131 / 4 = 31 g of protein per meal if you do 4 meals. Or you could do 3 meals of 31 g protein at each and 2 snacks of ~15g of protein at each.

    Next you have your calories issue. Generally speaking, you will need to increase your quantity of food OR caloric density of the food you eat. This means 1) don't worry as much about overeating, 2) add olive oil and canola oil to your dishes and cook with these since you are not allowed to have major sources of poly/mono-unsaturated fats from nuts. #2 is also a good source of calories.

    While peanuts are on your allergy list, what about beans? You can use a plateful (~1 cup) of beans as a protein substitute. Make sure you measure proper portions so you know how much protein you're getting. When in doubt in your case, eat more.

    I also notice Soy and soybeans are not on your list. Soy is an excellent high quality protein with a bunch of health benefits. I use a product called Fearn Soya Granules and you can add these to other dishes to increase protein/calorie content as well as fiber content without increasing saturated fat content, as many meat products have. Fearn Soya Granules is a food product of pure crushed up soybeans. You can also buy soy protein powders if you so desire, but they are more expensive (but they may be flavored, if you do not like the nutty texture of the previous product I mentioned that is cheap).

    Soymilk is also not on your list, so that is an option to use with whole oats, which can make a complete protein also.

    Also, going by a rule of thumb, I'd eat no fewer than 2800 kcal per day in your case. This number won't means anything to you if you haven't ever tracked your calories before. You could consider a program like myfitnesspal or myplate.gov to get a start.

    And as always, don't seek this sort of advice from a forum--go to a professional, ie a registered dietitian, if you are not getting the results you want and have some misconceptions about food and nutrition that need to be cleared up. I'm also curious if you got this set of allergies from a medical workup or from what?
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    Sep 10, 2012 11:43 PM GMT
    yeh just swallow more ;) .......Ur boyfriend will immediately notice the results icon_razz.gif
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    Sep 11, 2012 12:40 AM GMT
    Dave -- I may not be too informed on this topic, but would protein powders be able to help you?

    I have heard that men shold avoid soy, you might want to check on that.

    I would check with a professional, like some of the guys suggest.
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    Sep 11, 2012 12:48 AM GMT
    mileshelvetica saidDave -- I may not be too informed on this topic, but would protein powders be able to help you?

    I have heard that men shold avoid soy, you might want to check on that.

    I would check with a professional, like some of the guys suggest.


    Men should not avoid Soy. If anything, it reduces the incidence of prostate cancer and colon cancer. That's an old myth. If the world adopted soy, 1) we'd be more efficient in terms of energy usage rather than tertiary nitrogen assimilator (ie plants fix nitrogen once via the Calvin Benson Cycle, then cows eat the plants, then humans eat the cows) we'd be the secondary nitrogen assimilator; 2) cancer incidence would likely go down 3) overweight/obese incidence would go down since soy has fewer calories per portion than meat 4) it doesn't affect hormones since it is a different molecule than human hormones and seems to only have beneficial effects in vivo.

    The wikipedia article is backed by much research (see footnotes if in doubt) and does a great summary of common concerns about the phytoestrogens in soy.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogens See food sources (phytoestrogens are in foods you already eat in larger quantities than they are in soy), see Health Risks and Benefits--Males.
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    Sep 11, 2012 12:50 AM GMT
    bostonsam saidBest thing you could do is make an appointment with a Registered Dietitian (RD) and bring that list along!


    Fixed. There is a huge difference in education and practice requirements for calling yourself an RD vs a nutritionist. Everyone on this forum could call themselves a nutritionist and start a business and the misinformed public wouldn't know any different. RD, LD requires state licensure.
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    Sep 11, 2012 1:18 AM GMT
    I highly doubt you need a gram per pound of body weight. I'm experimenting with about .7 grams per pound of body weight now because all of those protein shakes were bothering my stomach. I'll let you know how .7 grams per pound works out for me. I feel like the people who advocate eating over a gram per pound are the bodybuilders who are on steroids and supplement companies.
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    Sep 11, 2012 1:25 AM GMT
    Beans (legumes) are likely your next best source.

    They are an incomplete protein - which means they are one amino acid short of completing the protein chain. Oddly - starchy foods contain that amino acid. That's why you see beans and rice as an entree in some diets. The two together make a complete protein.

    So your list has limited grains. - Some healthier brown rice options and beans like the lentils will give you some amped up protein that should work within the confines of your allergies.

    (disclaimer, I am not a Registered Dietitian)

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    Sep 11, 2012 1:29 AM GMT
    joe122 saidI highly doubt you need a gram per pound of body weight. I'm experimenting with about .7 grams per pound of body weight now because all of those protein shakes were bothering my stomach. I'll let you know how .7 grams per pound works out for me. I feel like the people who advocate eating over a gram per pound are the bodybuilders who are on steroids and supplement companies.


    Exactly. And because so many people (extremely high in non-competitive recreational lifting) are on steroids just for looks, there is so much misinformation. Wouldn't be surprised if many athletes were on it too--it all depends on whose personally hired scientist is ahead of the testers' scientists.
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    Sep 11, 2012 1:30 AM GMT
    ConQuest saidBeans (legumes) are likely your next best source.

    They are an incomplete protein - which means they are one amino acid short of completing the protein chain. Oddly - starchy foods contain that amino acid. That's why you see beans and rice as an entree in some diets. The two together make a complete protein.

    So your list has limited grains. - Some healthier brown rice options and beans like the lentils will give you some amped up protein that should work within the confines of your allergies.

    (disclaimer, I am not a Registered Dietician)



    Exactly (but there is a "tit" in dietitian in the USA icon_razz.gif unless spelling it the Spanish way).
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    Sep 11, 2012 1:30 AM GMT
    OK seriously.. I gotta get my mind outta the gutter or maybe grow up.. Ummmmmm nope to both.. so i ask again seriously ???
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    Sep 11, 2012 1:34 AM GMT
    bluey2223 said
    ConQuest saidBeans (legumes) are likely your next best source.

    They are an incomplete protein - which means they are one amino acid short of completing the protein chain. Oddly - starchy foods contain that amino acid. That's why you see beans and rice as an entree in some diets. The two together make a complete protein.

    So your list has limited grains. - Some healthier brown rice options and beans like the lentils will give you some amped up protein that should work within the confines of your allergies.

    (disclaimer, I am not a Registered Dietician)



    Exactly (but there is a "tit" in dietitian in the USA icon_razz.gif unless spelling it the Spanish way).


    I had it that way and it looked wrong. Sorry. I corrected the spelling.
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    Sep 11, 2012 1:34 AM GMT
    Dietitian here. Not the floozy type. Pretty much what MUCHMORETHANMUSCLE has already suggested.

    Meats, beans, lentils, tofu and other soy products. At the average human consumption of soy products, you won't be eating enough to make you grow man boobs. Key is to eat a wide array of food to get the protein and nutrients you need.

    PS. Animal proteins like meats are complete while vegetable proteins are incomplete. As long as you eat widely, you'll get all the amino acids your body needs.
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    Sep 11, 2012 1:34 AM GMT
    unicoman1 saidOK seriously.. I gotta get my mind outta the gutter or maybe grow up.. Ummmmmm nope to both.. so i ask again seriously ???


    Unico, don't make me shamelessly flirt with you again!!!
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    Sep 11, 2012 1:52 AM GMT
    joe122 saidI highly doubt you need a gram per pound of body weight. I'm experimenting with about .7 grams per pound of body weight now because all of those protein shakes were bothering my stomach. I'll let you know how .7 grams per pound works out for me. I feel like the people who advocate eating over a gram per pound are the bodybuilders who are on steroids and supplement companies.



    I agree 100%. You have to follow the money trail when reading recommendations on protein. The ones that state you need that much protein are usually funded by the dairy industry, supplement companies or people who are simply regurgitating what they're heard. Hell, I even did the raw diet for a while where all I ate was raw fruit, veggies, nuts and seeds and the only thing I lost was fat.
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    Sep 11, 2012 2:37 AM GMT
    The list is from back in the day. I was recently retested (before my 25 b-day) and the list is just the same... just adding a few more to the list. One of them being... Soy. icon_cry.gif

    My Doctor made me get a medial I.D. , sadly it was too small to fit it all.

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    bluey2223 said

    The correct amount of protein for gaining lean muscle is 1.2-1.7g/kg. Since you are below your standard weight for height currently (6'1" man ideal is 184 lbs 10%), Let's put you at the max.

    So at 170 lbs, you are 77.3 kg. 77.3* 1.7 = 131g protein. Let's spread this out throughout the day so you get maximum protein synthesis, shall we? 131 / 4 = 31 g of protein per meal if you do 4 meals. Or you could do 3 meals of 31 g protein at each and 2 snacks of ~15g of protein at each.

    I also notice Soy and soybeans are not on your list.




    I am so happy to hear I don't need to eat as much protein. Like I said, I am unable to do soy, but I can do beans.





    mileshelvetica saidDave -- I may not be too informed on this topic, but would protein powders be able to help you?

    I have heard that men shold avoid soy, you might want to check on that.

    I would check with a professional, like some of the guys suggest.


    The problem with most powders is that they have a source i can't do. Let alone adding an element to make it a liquid. Milk,soy, and almond milk are out of the question... and has anyone here added "Rice Milk" to a shake before. *sour face* .... I'll stick with water.

    I would love to be able to do a shake of some kind. Make it and go... I'm still searching for one that works.
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    Sep 11, 2012 2:45 AM GMT
    I don't have much advice for you, but..............DAMN DUDE! That's a lot of allergies! I guess you're going to have to find a lot of creative ways to eat meats. (No adult pun intended.)
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    Sep 11, 2012 2:46 AM GMT
    Have you tried Hemp protein? May be pricier.

    Also consider setting up a regular ingestion of protein from semen (just kidding, it's not a significant amount)
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    Sep 11, 2012 2:49 AM GMT
    hmm. Maybe Spirutein may work for you? I think is some sort of algae based protein. I guess you have to consult your doctor and check for the ingredients. Good luck.
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    Sep 11, 2012 3:03 AM GMT
    DudeInNOVA saidI don't have much advice for you, but..............DAMN DUDE! That's a lot of allergies! I guess you're going to have to find a lot of creative ways to eat meats. (No adult pun intended.)


    You have no idea how creative i can be. icon_rolleyes.gif


    bluey2223 saidHave you tried Hemp protein? May be pricier.

    Also consider setting up a regular ingestion of protein from semen (just kidding, it's not a significant amount)


    I am currently looking at Hemp seed. Price is a factor but I just want to start seeing progress. It's frustrating to lift and see little to no results.(Albert was on to something when he coined that quote.) Kind of got discouraged, but I have a Work out buddy now... so it should help motivate.
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    Sep 11, 2012 3:11 AM GMT
    Genre saidYou have no idea how creative i can be. icon_rolleyes.gif


    You're going to have to be since it seems you're down to meat and beans. icon_eek.gif
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    Sep 11, 2012 3:19 AM GMT
    DudeInNOVA said
    Genre saidYou have no idea how creative i can be. icon_rolleyes.gif


    You're going to have to be since it seems you're down to meat and beans. icon_eek.gif


    but i'm not down with nuts. how does this work?