Are gay people who vote for or support Mitt Romney and the Republican Party "Uncle Toms"?

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    Sep 10, 2012 8:55 PM GMT
    Barney Frank calls gay Republican group “Uncle Toms”
    http://washingtonexaminer.com/barney-frank-calls-gay-republican-group-uncle-toms/article/2507236

    I've heard some gay people say they support Romney/Republicans because Romney/Republicans are better for the economy. But then I wonder: Don't they realize that by opposing ENDA and by supporting turning DOMA into Constitutional amendment, that Romney/Republicans don't even want gay people to fully participate in this economy?

    (ENDA: Proposed law that would ban discrimination against gay people in employment. Right now more than 30 states still allow discrimination against gay people in employment and accommodation.
    DOMA-type amendment: Would enshrine the prohibition of federal recognition of ANY same-sex relationships into the US Constitution AND would overturn all states' laws that recognize same-sex relationships. It's not just a "definition of marriage" issue. They want to ban ANY and ALL government recognition including domestic partnerships and civil unions.)

    If voting for or supporting a candidate or political party that doesn't think gay people deserve the same rights and legal opportunities as everyone else doesn't make a gay voter an Uncle Tom, what does?
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    Sep 10, 2012 9:13 PM GMT
    Gay republicans are traitors to the gay community. They basically throw the gay community under the Romney bus with their votes.
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    Sep 10, 2012 9:17 PM GMT
    Gay republicans are siding with an anti gay agenda and betraying the whole gay community. I don't even call them Uncle Tom's. I just call them traitors.

    Condeleezza Rice is an Uncle Tom in the original sense. I couldn't believe her nerve at evoking civil rights to that audience at the RNC. She spit in the faces of people in history.icon_mad.gif
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    Sep 10, 2012 9:26 PM GMT
    All I know is that I am soooooo grateful that the OP brought this pressing question up and started this thread because it has simply NOT been discussed here at RJ enough icon_wink.gif
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    Sep 10, 2012 9:39 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidAll I know is that I am soooooo grateful that the OP brought this pressing question up and started this thread because it has simply NOT been discussed here at RJ enough icon_wink.gif


    Im glad too because gay republicans need to be reminded EVERY DAMN DAY that they have betrayed the gay community out of pure greed and selfishness!
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    Sep 10, 2012 9:39 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidAll I know is that I am soooooo grateful that the OP brought this pressing question up and started this thread because it has simply NOT been discussed here at RJ enough icon_wink.gif


    Don't mind him. He went from being curiousjockaz, to fullblowngayaz, but he's still in denial.
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    Sep 10, 2012 9:41 PM GMT
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    CuriousJockAZ saidAll I know is that I am soooooo grateful that the OP brought this pressing question up and started this thread because it has simply NOT been discussed here at RJ enough icon_wink.gif


    Im glad too because gay republicans need to be reminded EVERY DAMN DAY that they have betrayed the gay community out of pure greed and selfishness!
    Hey.. be easy on todd and socal et al.. They really want that 2013 escalade! er corvette!
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    Sep 10, 2012 11:04 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ - How about you answer the question?:

    If voting for or supporting a candidate or political party that doesn't think gay people deserve the same rights and legal opportunities as everyone else doesn't make a gay voter an Uncle Tom, what does?
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    Sep 10, 2012 11:34 PM GMT
    sfbayguy saidCuriousJockAZ - How about you answer the question?:

    If voting for or supporting a candidate or political party that doesn't think gay people deserve the same rights and legal opportunities as everyone else doesn't make a gay voter an Uncle Tom, what does?


    Cuckoojocks standard line is that he doesnt define himself by his gayness. He defines himself by his selfloathing, greed, and selfishness.
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    Sep 11, 2012 3:04 AM GMT
    I always have to laugh when I hear some clueless delusional brain dead gay Repub yammer about how they vote on the economy - not on gay rights.

    They don't care about being a second class citizen under the law, they say.
    They care more about fiscal discipline than equal rights, they say.

    HA!
    The idea that the Repub party stands for fiscal discipline is BS.
    Repub presidents have added trillions more to the National Debt than Dem presidents have.
    For crying out loud - the Repubs spent most of the last 30 years saying that "deficits don't matter".
    It's only in the past 2-3 years that the Repubs have flip-flopped and decided that deficits do matter.

    And the facts of the historical record prove that Dem presidents have done a much BETTER at handling the economy than Repub presidents have.
    http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/80-year-study-democrats-better-at-economics/article/2505194

    Gay Repubs are certainly self-loathing - but we must also remember that they're dumb and misinformed too.
  • Webster666

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    Sep 11, 2012 7:27 AM GMT
    RickRick91 saidI always have to laugh when I hear some clueless delusional brain dead gay Repub yammer about how they vote on the economy - not on gay rights.

    They don't care about being a second class citizen under the law, they say.
    They care more about fiscal discipline than equal rights, they say.

    HA!
    The idea that the Repub party stands for fiscal discipline is BS.
    Repub presidents have added trillions more to the National Debt than Dem presidents have.
    For crying out loud - the Repubs spent most of the last 30 years saying that "deficits don't matter".
    It's only in the past 2-3 years that the Repubs have flip-flopped and decided that deficits do matter.

    And the facts of the historical record prove that Dem presidents have done a much BETTER at handling the economy than Repub presidents have.
    http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/80-year-study-democrats-better-at-economics/article/2505194

    Gay Repubs are certainly self-loathing - but we must also remember that they're dumb and misinformed too.




    Good speech !
    And, every word of it is true.
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    Sep 11, 2012 8:09 AM GMT
    catfish5 saidGay republicans are traitors to the gay community. They basically throw the gay community under the Romney bus with their votes.


    The problem is there is not and never has been one gay community; it's full of many diffrent factions, wit diffrent interests and agendas, and wants; we have never been one; so your wards are nothing but propaganda against people who don't see things your way, live life the way you do, or vote the same either.

    I myself put Oz before my own personal wants; and there is nothing selfish about putting others first; you should try it sometime.
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    Sep 11, 2012 8:29 AM GMT
    Marriage equality is inevitable. The next generation will get it; it's just a matter of time before it becomes reality. Therefore Gay Conservatives are not putting themselves first and demanding I want it now! As no matter what people will miss out, one way or another; but thats not stoping them from being loved and loving back. Also at 50, I've already seen massive advancement in change; I even played a roll in helping them come about. So now I am able to put my country first, and lets not over look the fact there is no one gay community with one agenda, or interest. So calling gay republicans Uncle Toms is nothing more than bastardization, because they do not vote the same way as you, or behold the same agenda as you; after all we have never been one.

    lets not forget the damage the gay left did in the years of the Gay Plague Era by not want to give up one step on their sexual revolution to help save lives, then the laid all the blame one the republican leader and President Ronald Reagon; just as many of the left here want to blame all the wrongs in America on the conservatives, and not look at their own actions, and the negative impact they have also had.
  • Laurence

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    Sep 11, 2012 12:17 PM GMT
    What rubbish you spout OZ-boy.

    If you're country doesn't support you, then why would you put your country first? And what is wrong with wanting equality and wanting the same rights as everyone else (every hetro white man that is).

    As for your comment about the 'Gay Plague Era' - you really are a complete thick c*nt - why don't you stop posting and showing us all what an idiot you are.

    (apologies for the personal attack here, but some people make me SO angry with their ill-informed ideas and half-baked reasoning).

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    Sep 11, 2012 1:10 PM GMT
    It kind of has been done to death [and I agree with the premise].
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    Sep 11, 2012 1:11 PM GMT
    tru_blu_auzzie said

    I myself put Oz before my own personal wants;
    Dorothy did too..........icon_rolleyes.gif

    Got those ruby slippers on right now?
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    Laurence saidWhat rubbish you spout OZ-boy.

    If you're country doesn't support you, then why would you put your country first? And what is wrong with wanting equality and wanting the same rights as everyone else (every hetro white man that is).

    As for your comment about the 'Gay Plague Era' - you really are a complete thick c*nt - why don't you stop posting and showing us all what an idiot you are.

    (apologies for the personal attack here, but some people make me SO angry with their ill-informed ideas and half-baked reasoning).

    Loz

    Oh dont be! Patty has been drinking and posting for years! She's a great punching BAG.
  • DalTX

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    Sep 11, 2012 1:24 PM GMT
    Yes.
  • HottJoe

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    Sep 11, 2012 1:38 PM GMT
    tru_blu_auzzie saidMarriage equality is inevitable. The next generation will get it; it's just a matter of time before it becomes reality. Therefore Gay Conservatives are not putting themselves first and demanding I want it now! As no matter what people will miss out, one way or another; but thats not stoping them from being loved and loving back. Also at 50, I've already seen massive advancement in change; I even played a roll in helping them come about. So now I am able to put my country first, and lets not over look the fact there is no one gay community with one agenda, or interest. So calling gay republicans Uncle Toms is nothing more than bastardization, because they do not vote the same way as you, or behold the same agenda as you; after all we have never been one.

    lets not forget the damage the gay left did in the years of the Gay Plague Era by not want to give up one step on their sexual revolution to help save lives, then the laid all the blame one the republican leader and President Ronald Reagon; just as many of the left here want to blame all the wrongs in America on the conservatives, and not look at their own actions, and the negative impact they have also had.


    It's ironic that an Uncle Tom is someone who validates his oppressors and puts them on a pedestal, which is exactly what you just did. You are the epitome of an Uncle Tom. icon_confused.gif
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    Sep 11, 2012 1:50 PM GMT
    Every time I see someone say this I cringe.

    As if it will magically happen without any effort on our part.

    It just amazes me that people can be so dismissive of all the hard work that got us where we are today.

    They remind me of the lords and ladies of Downtown Abbey that expected the manor to be clean and owners to be fed, but they never want to see the staff doing the work.

    I did notice he claimed to have participated in the work that has created the change, but like the few lords and ladies who escaped their lower class beginnings he seems to have forgotten his roots.

    tru_blu_auzzie saidMarriage equality is inevitable.
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    Sep 11, 2012 2:26 PM GMT
    sfbayguy saidCuriousJockAZ - How about you answer the question?:



    Because the question is one that ANY answer other than the one you want to hear would be deemed unacceptable, so why even bother. The very premise of the question is coming from a "My Way Or The Highway" bully-like mentality, one that many here like myself have tried countless times to answer openly and honestly but what we get in return are utterly naive and ignorant responses like...

    catfish5 said
    Cuckoojocks standard line is that he doesnt define himself by his gayness. He defines himself by his selfloathing, greed, and selfishness.


    RickRick91 said
    Gay Repubs are certainly self-loathing - but we must also remember that they're dumb and misinformed too.


    This might be insulting if it were not so narrow-mindedly moronic. NEWSFLSASH: Gay Republicans exist in all walks of life -- doctors, lawyers, teachers, law enforcement officials, engineers, firemen (and those are just some of the ones I know personally) -- so the suggestion that these are all "self loathing", "greedy", "dumb", and/or "misinformed" "Uncle Tom" types makes for mean-spirited and smug "hate speech" from that allegedly "open-minded", "inclusive", and "accepting" left, but it has absolutely no real basis in the real world. Hence, that is pretty much all I have left to say on the this tired subject.
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    Sep 11, 2012 2:37 PM GMT
    sfbayguy saidBarney Frank calls gay Republican group “Uncle Toms”
    http://washingtonexaminer.com/barney-frank-calls-gay-republican-group-uncle-toms/article/2507236

    I've heard some gay people say they support Romney/Republicans because Romney/Republicans are better for the economy. But then I wonder: Don't they realize that by opposing ENDA and by supporting turning DOMA into Constitutional amendment, that Romney/Republicans don't even want gay people to fully participate in this economy?

    (ENDA: Proposed law that would ban discrimination against gay people in employment. Right now more than 30 states still allow discrimination against gay people in employment and accommodation.
    DOMA-type amendment: Would enshrine the prohibition of federal recognition of ANY same-sex relationships into the US Constitution AND would overturn all states' laws that recognize same-sex relationships. It's not just a "definition of marriage" issue. They want to ban ANY and ALL government recognition including domestic partnerships and civil unions.)

    If voting for or supporting a candidate or political party that doesn't think gay people deserve the same rights and legal opportunities as everyone else doesn't make a gay voter an Uncle Tom, what does?


    Glad you bring it up again, it needs to be said over and over. I used to not think it, or did not want to believe it, but I think most of them are racists hiding behind various other excuses to be Republicans. They have deep seated resentment for minorities and others who they think are taking something away from them. I was just in Berlin, and I had the same feeling there, of what happened to the Jewish people, as I get when I hear the viewpoints of the Republican party and their followers.
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    Sep 11, 2012 2:41 PM GMT
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    sfbayguy saidCuriousJockAZ - How about you answer the question?:



    Because the question is one that ANY answer other than the one you want to hear would be deemed unacceptable, so why even bother. The very premise of the question is coming from a "My Way Or The Highway" bully-like mentality, one that many here like myself have tried countless times to answer openly and honestly but what we get in return are utterly naive and ignorant responses like...

    catfish5 said
    Cuckoojocks standard line is that he doesnt define himself by his gayness. He defines himself by his selfloathing, greed, and selfishness.


    RickRick91 said
    Gay Repubs are certainly self-loathing - but we must also remember that they're dumb and misinformed too.


    This might be insulting if it were not so narrow-mindedly moronic. NEWSFLSASH: Gay Republicans exist in all walks of life -- doctors, lawyers, teachers, law enforcement officials, engineers, firemen (and those are just some of the ones I know personally) -- so the suggestion that these are all "self loathing", "greedy", "dumb", and/or "misinformed" "Uncle Tom" types makes for mean-spirited and smug "hate speech" from that allegedly "open-minded", "inclusive", and "accepting" left, but it has absolutely no real basis in the real world. Hence, that is pretty much all I have left to say on the this tired subject.


    Of course u will get mean spirited hate speech after throwing the gay community under the Romney bus and trading in our collective gay rights for a personal reduction in your taxes- go figure? And asking us to tolerate you stabbing the rest of us in the back- go fuck yourself!
  • HottJoe

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    Sep 11, 2012 2:46 PM GMT
    Koaa2 said
    sfbayguy saidBarney Frank calls gay Republican group “Uncle Toms”
    http://washingtonexaminer.com/barney-frank-calls-gay-republican-group-uncle-toms/article/2507236

    I've heard some gay people say they support Romney/Republicans because Romney/Republicans are better for the economy. But then I wonder: Don't they realize that by opposing ENDA and by supporting turning DOMA into Constitutional amendment, that Romney/Republicans don't even want gay people to fully participate in this economy?

    (ENDA: Proposed law that would ban discrimination against gay people in employment. Right now more than 30 states still allow discrimination against gay people in employment and accommodation.
    DOMA-type amendment: Would enshrine the prohibition of federal recognition of ANY same-sex relationships into the US Constitution AND would overturn all states' laws that recognize same-sex relationships. It's not just a "definition of marriage" issue. They want to ban ANY and ALL government recognition including domestic partnerships and civil unions.)

    If voting for or supporting a candidate or political party that doesn't think gay people deserve the same rights and legal opportunities as everyone else doesn't make a gay voter an Uncle Tom, what does?


    Glad you bring it up again, it needs to be said over and over. I used to not think it, or did not want to believe it, but I think most of them are racists hiding behind various other excuses to be Republicans. They have deep seated resentment for minorities and others who they think are taking something away from them. I was just in Berlin, and I had the same feeling there, of what happened to the Jewish people, as I get when I hear the viewpoints of the Republican party and their followers.


    +1 I agree. This is why I fear the republican party, and cringe at all of the gay Uncle Toms. They will be first to go into the closet if things go backwards.
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    Koaa2 said
    sfbayguy saidBarney Frank calls gay Republican group “Uncle Toms”
    http://washingtonexaminer.com/barney-frank-calls-gay-republican-group-uncle-toms/article/2507236

    I've heard some gay people say they support Romney/Republicans because Romney/Republicans are better for the economy. But then I wonder: Don't they realize that by opposing ENDA and by supporting turning DOMA into Constitutional amendment, that Romney/Republicans don't even want gay people to fully participate in this economy?

    (ENDA: Proposed law that would ban discrimination against gay people in employment. Right now more than 30 states still allow discrimination against gay people in employment and accommodation.
    DOMA-type amendment: Would enshrine the prohibition of federal recognition of ANY same-sex relationships into the US Constitution AND would overturn all states' laws that recognize same-sex relationships. It's not just a "definition of marriage" issue. They want to ban ANY and ALL government recognition including domestic partnerships and civil unions.)

    If voting for or supporting a candidate or political party that doesn't think gay people deserve the same rights and legal opportunities as everyone else doesn't make a gay voter an Uncle Tom, what does?


    Glad you bring it up again, it needs to be said over and over. I used to not think it, or did not want to believe it, but I think most of them are racists hiding behind various other excuses to be Republicans. They have deep seated resentment for minorities and others who they think are taking something away from them. I was just in Berlin, and I had the same feeling there, of what happened to the Jewish people, as I get when I hear the viewpoints of the Republican party and their followers.


    +1 I agree. This is why I fear the republican party, and cringe at all of the gay Uncle Toms. They will be first to go into the closet if things go backwards.


    +1 we can never forget where the gay community has come from or the leaders who got us this far