Do statements like "No Asians/Blacks/Femmes" and "Straight Acting" offend you?

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    Sep 11, 2012 2:06 PM GMT
    A dear hunky white Aussie man started this blog to do his part in combating the rife racism and homophobia that he witnessed on that dastardly blight of an app called Grindr. He has also campaigned for Grindr to do more to stem the racist and homophobic remarks made by users of the app.

    The section called Gay School 101 explains through several articles why such statements are needless and damaging.

    I have personally found it comforting to have this voice of reason amidst the nastiness in the often impersonal gay dating world. I share the link to the blog here in the hopes that those who have been affronted in any way by such statements may find similar solace and resolution.

    If anyone knows of similar sites/blogs, feel free to share them here.

    http://stopracismandhomophobiaongrindr.tumblr.com

    Introduction

    If you are a gay man and make statements online like "No Asians" or "Str8 Acting", but think this is harmless language describing your sexual preferences, think again. This language is insulting to many racial minorities and proud gay men, and its time you stopped hiding behind "freedom of speech" to defend its use. Just because you don't think you're being racist or homophobic, doesn't mean you're not. There's enough ignorant bigotry in the world already. As one of the most hated and ridiculed minorities on the planet, we don't need to be contributing to it.
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    Sep 11, 2012 2:08 PM GMT
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    Sep 11, 2012 3:00 PM GMT
    I think people have every right to define with whom they want to associate with on a purely personal basis. People are attracted to certain characteristics mostly thru no choice of their own. If you don't fit one of their criteria, you really need to have more self-worth not to get all hurt over it.

    Now if you're being discriminated against outside of their personal associations, like in some club, organization, business, or facility, that's different. But who they choose to go to the movies with or sleep with, that's their business.

    And if they tell you upfront in their profiles what their preferences are, be happy they spared you from wasting your time and move on.
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    Sep 11, 2012 3:19 PM GMT
    Caslon20000 saidI think people have every right to define with whom they want to associate with on a purely personal basis. People are attracted to certain characteristics mostly thru no choice of their own. If you don't fit one of their criteria, you really need to have more self-worth not to get all hurt over it.

    Now if you're being discriminated against outside of their personal associations, like in some club or organization, that's different. But who they choose to go to the movies with or sleep with, that's their business.

    And if they tell you upfront in their profiles what their preferences are, be happy they spared you from wasting your time and move on.


    You're right about guys having personal preferences. Being gay is in and of itself a preference, as is being straight. I think the OP meant it's insulting when people list who they don't want, rather than just say what their type is. For instance, saying "masculine men turn me on" is different than saying "no femmes." I know people aren't going to change and become PC, but it's important to discuss because it's unnecessary to insult others for no reason. Also it's just a clearer message to say what you like, rather than list your prejudices.

    When I was single, I preferred dating guys my own age, but I didn't advertise in a way that put down guys who were older. At any rate, most preferences are superficial, including my own, I'll admit. When it comes to going beyond hooking up and actually falling in love, you just have to go with where your heart leads you and try not to insult others along the way.icon_smile.gif
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    Sep 11, 2012 3:30 PM GMT
    I'll simply reply with an excerpt from the blog, thoughts of the author which mostly echoes mine:

    Imagine for a moment you are an Asian teenaged boy. You, like all of us, have grown up with heteronormative conditioning in a majority white country like Australia or the United States. Your family has lived in this country for at least two generations. You speak the same language as all the white people, and have the same accent as them. You have been conditioned through your entire life to find the White Heterosexual Man to be the pinnacle of attractiveness. Every TV screen, every newspaper, every magazine reinforces this conditioning. You finally gather the strength to come out. You are ready to meet people of your own sexuality. You are ready to connect with other like-minded men. You are finally ready to stop being alone. You create a profile on Grindr or some other social network for gay men. You start clicking on the profiles of men you find interesting. And every third or fourth profile you click on says NO ASIANS.

    How would you feel? How would you make sense of this?

    Let me tell you, from the many, many Australian Asians I’ve spoken with since I started this blog, the overwhelming majority of them feel demeaned, humiliated, and ashamed. They feel ugly, unmanly, unattractive, and desolated. They feel like they have a plague, a disease. They are embarrassed and are often frightened to even look at a white gay man because with almost every look they can see the same thoughts “Yuck, Asian men are so gross.”

    HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF THIS WAS YOUR LIFE? HOW THE FUCK WOULD YOU FEEL?????

    No one is saying you have to have sex with Asian men otherwise you are racist. But if you feel the need to rub your sexual preference into their faces in such a negative manner every single time you create an online profile, then I’m sorry but you qualify as a racist arsehole.
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    Sep 11, 2012 3:39 PM GMT
    Life must be terrible for the guy who throws himself across his divan in a fit of sobbing because he saw "No Femmes" in a profile.

    Preferences aren't superficial, I think. They are legitimate expressions of one's feelings. For example, for a long term sexual relationship with me. A man must be shorter than me. Taller guys might as well he sticks of furniture. I didn't choose that. It's just the way it is, the way I'm wired. And as an individual, I don't have to pretend to be equally attracted to everybody. I tell tall guys upfront that we can be friends and I can even give a perfunctory blowjob, but, I'm sorry, it won't become a long term relationship sexually. They usually leave terribly dejected and I feel bad for them.
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    Sep 11, 2012 3:43 PM GMT
    I'll reply with another excerpt. I do apologise, it's almost 2 am over here:

    I for one do not call someone racist merely because they are not attracted to Asians or African Americans or Indians or any other race. I am saddened that we have been conditioned to find one race more attractive than another, and wish that this would change, but I will not condemn a man for being subject to his conditioning.

    That said, it is a massive difference between following the objects of your desires on one hand, and stating to the whole world just how unattractive you find certain races on the other.

    It is an extremely negative and demeaning way of expressing your sexual desires.

    It causes immeasurable psychological harm to the racial subsets within the gay community who bare the brunt of these statements.


    May I just point out too that comparing race-based and height discrimination is like comparing apples and oranges? Especially in your case where you reject taller men. Height has always been a good thing so guys you reject have consolation in the fact that they have a trait deemed desirable to most but you. When has being gay and Asian ever been desirable?
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    Sep 11, 2012 3:49 PM GMT
    "And every third or fourth profile you click on says NO ASIANS."

    So 66 to 75% of the profiles have no negative expression toward Asians?

    "...they can see the same thoughts “Yuck, Asian men are so gross.”"

    Unless they have mind-reading psychic powers, they should stop projecting their thoughts onto others.

    Sounds more like these Aussie Asians are the ones being racist.
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    Sep 11, 2012 3:56 PM GMT
    Caslon20000 said"And every third or fourth profile you click on says NO ASIANS."

    So 66 to 75% of the profiles have no negative expression toward Asians?

    "...they can see the same thoughts “Yuck, Asian men are so gross.”"

    Unless they have mind-reading psychic powers, they should stop projecting their thoughts onto others.

    Sounds more like these Aussie Asians are the ones being racist.


    Racists usually capitulate and reveal themselves by reflexively turning the tables on their accusers like you just have because of their inability to mount a logical defence.
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    Sep 11, 2012 4:01 PM GMT
    Yes, these do offend me.

    It's not difficult to state your preferences in a positive way, at least when it comes to masculinity and weight. "Into in-shape masculine guys who are comfortable with themselves." Easy peasy.

    I don't think there's any easy way to state preferences regarding race and ethnicity in a socially acceptable way. It almost always comes off racist. The only way to go about it is to tell guys who contact you and you're not into, sorry, not a match.

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    Sep 11, 2012 4:05 PM GMT
    Caslon20000 saidLife must be terrible for the guy who throws himself across his divan in a fit of sobbing because he saw "No Femmes" in a profile.

    Preferences aren't superficial, I think. They are legitimate expressions of one's feelings. For example, for a long term sexual relationship with me. A man must be shorter than me. Taller guys might as well he sticks of furniture. I didn't choose that. It's just the way it is, the way I'm wired. And as an individual, I don't have to pretend to be equally attracted to everybody. I tell tall guys upfront that we can be friends and I can even give a perfunctory blowjob, but, I'm sorry, it won't become a long term relationship sexually. They usually leave terribly dejected and I feel bad for them.


    You mean, they don't take you up on the blowjob?icon_lol.gif
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    Sep 11, 2012 5:12 PM GMT
    I think it is sad that gay men would take a hook up app so seriously and need to log off the damn internet and go to the real world.
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    Sep 11, 2012 5:43 PM GMT
    Caslon20000 saidLife must be terrible for the guy who throws himself across his divan in a fit of sobbing because he saw "No Femmes" in a profile.

    Preferences aren't superficial, I think. They are legitimate expressions of one's feelings. For example, for a long term sexual relationship with me. A man must be shorter than me. Taller guys might as well he sticks of furniture. I didn't choose that. It's just the way it is, the way I'm wired. And as an individual, I don't have to pretend to be equally attracted to everybody. I tell tall guys upfront that we can be friends and I can even give a perfunctory blowjob, but, I'm sorry, it won't become a long term relationship sexually. They usually leave terribly dejected and I feel bad for them.


    It's not an evil thing when someone has a perference away from a certain race. It is the way that this is presented that is important. 'No midgets' is not the same as saying 'I prefer tall men' but they get across a similar message. The big difference is, one is polite and one is offensive but they can both get the message across.

    That is what defines whether someone says something that can be percieved as racist/offensive, it is a sensitive topic for you to point out that you find a race/age/any other group ugly or unnatractive and must be handled with tact. I don't particularly go for men of your age group, but I would not phrase this as 'I don't do coffin-dodgers/grandads' or 'No old ones'.
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    Sep 11, 2012 7:28 PM GMT
    Caslon20000 saidI think people have every right to define with whom they want to associate with on a purely personal basis. People are attracted to certain characteristics mostly thru no choice of their own. If you don't fit one of their criteria, you really need to have more self-worth not to get all hurt over it.

    Now if you're being discriminated against outside of their personal associations, like in some club, organization, business, or facility, that's different. But who they choose to go to the movies with or sleep with, that's their business.

    And if they tell you upfront in their profiles what their preferences are, be happy they spared you from wasting your time and move on.


    My thoughts exactly. We can't choose who we're attracted to. I'm attracted to men because of their masculinity. A feminine guy, though I've tried a few times, will mostly not do anything for me. I'm not changing my preferences to appease someone else's views. I'm also not really looking for anything with a guy whos much older than me. I'm not "age-ist" it's just my preference, and it's an age-old one that many young ppl have, so I don't see what's wrong with it. It's my dating life so I get to choose who I want to date, and also, everyone gets hurt every now and then in the dating world anyway. We all have to deal with it. People need to take rejection better. It's no use getting all worked up over being rejected as the other person doesn't even care and will pay you no attention.

    I do agree that you could use less harsh wording. Like say what you're looking for and what you're into rather than what you're not into. However, people still go up in arms even when you state you're looking for a masculine guy. You can't please everyone. Some people just need to take rejection better and not be so touchy over what other guys feel towards them. They can get upset over my "masculine" preference, but I honestly think it saves them the heartbreak of msging me only to be rejected because they arent my type.
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    Sep 11, 2012 7:35 PM GMT
    Caslon20000 saidI think people have every right to define with whom they want to associate with on a purely personal basis. People are attracted to certain characteristics mostly thru no choice of their own. If you don't fit one of their criteria, you really need to have more self-worth not to get all hurt over it.

    Now if you're being discriminated against outside of their personal associations, like in some club, organization, business, or facility, that's different. But who they choose to go to the movies with or sleep with, that's their business.

    And if they tell you upfront in their profiles what their preferences are, be happy they spared you from wasting your time and move on.


    get out of my head, Caslon!
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    Sep 11, 2012 8:05 PM GMT
    No. I don't waste my time worrying about what other people don't like. If a guy doesn't want me because of the color of my skin, or because I act masculine, that's his problem.

    People have the right to preferences just as I have the right to make assumptions about people based on their preferences.
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    Sep 12, 2012 1:53 PM GMT
    What is the difference between the statement 'No gays here please' and `No Asians' ? I have yet to see compelling statements to support the use of either.
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    Sep 15, 2012 7:15 PM GMT
    eh it doesn't bother me too much like it used. Yes it annoys me when I see it but I don't make such a big deal. Being black and seeing those types of comments quite commonly on dating sites, it can be discouraging at times but at the end of the day, you just have to remember that not everyone will share that opinion. It may feel like it but you never know.

    Sometimes I do wonder why they aren't attracted to *insert race here*. I am accepting of all races So maybe that's why I don't fully understand it? But still, back to the point, doesn't offend me too much like it did when I first started internet dating.
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    Sep 15, 2012 9:57 PM GMT
    That blog is a joke.

    That guy tries to publicly humiliate guys he doesn't like, and says all sort of shit about them -- things far worse than anything he is apparently crusading against.

    Not to mention that you can find photos and articles promoting the stereotypical gay image all over the blog. Men wearing make up, dressed in women's clothing, or generally just being feminine.

    I'm sorry but that guy does NOT get to determine what it means to be ''gay''.

    Some gay guys are full on drag queen. Some are identical to straight guys. Most are somewhere in the middle. No one has a monopoly on what it means being ''gay''. Something the author of that blog apparently doesn't seem to understand.

    He hates on masculine gay guys. I can't tell why. He says its because of the homophobia and racism, blah blah blah, but I bet it has more to do with personal insecurities or possibly a bad experience.

    I just don't understand why some gay guys cannot comprehend that fact that some gay dudes are simply NOT ATTRACTED to femininity. They are just attracted to MASCULINITY. It has NOTHING to do with internalized homophobia, or femephobia or whatever the blog called it. Its not very difficult to understand.

    By the way, ''straight acting'' should be called ''masculine''.

    As for the whole no Asians/no blacks thing...I don't see what the issue is. If you simply aren't attracted to Asians, or blacks or whatever else it may be, then what is the problem? It's not like you hate them or something. You just don't find them sexually attractive. It's like saying that you are misogynistic if you aren't attracted to females.
    I've come across profiles on grindr that say ''Asian only'' or ''no whites''.
    I move on. I don't start a fucking blog to bitch about it.

    So to answer your question; it's a NO, on all accounts.







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    Sep 15, 2012 10:11 PM GMT
    Absolutely nothing wrong with expressing your preference!
    What is WRONG is if there is underlying bigotry behind your choice!

    Technically this is a blessing in disguise...
    Makes it easier for people to eliminate you!

    I have had guys on this site approach me before and their profile says... “No Asians”..
    Well gee whiz...Guess What? My straight Bff since I was 15 just happens to “Asian”…
    So thanks for telling me up front that you have a problem with him...And goodbye!

    ..One guy I met here had issues with Latinos… Sorry dude we can’t hang! I live in Florida...I have no intentions of downplaying my Latino homies just so we can date!

    Now don’t get me wrong I understand that for a few they would prefer to date “Race-X”...
    I say be my guest..From the bottom of my heart...I encourage you to limit yourself!
    You just freed up tons more men for me! …And for that...I thank you!

    The Gay community of all communities should be way more accepting and loving!
    This sometimes makes me think the oppression the gay community faces is not oppression…It’s KARMA! icon_evil.gif

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    Sep 16, 2012 1:12 AM GMT
    Disclaimer: Not trying to attack anyone in my post below. icon_smile.gif


    I am of two opinions on this particular post.

    My first thought agrees with Calson and Hajde, at least in some parts, in having preferences. Some people are simply more direct about what they want or do not want in a person and place it on the table. "I'm not into people who are (said skin color, height, weight, proportion, build, eye color, zodiac sign, ethnicity, religious background, et cetera)." As human beings, we are all preferentially inclined to make decisions based off of what we find attractive.

    However, here is where my second thought expresses concern of the preferences; having a/any preference IS inherently alienating and unequalizing-- period. It's obectifying one standard, feature, asset about a person and raising it above all else. This-Is-Inequality. There is no 'fallacy' when considering what we are doing here: We are telling people "You're good for me, you're not." While the intention may not necessarily carry a malicious element, it remains inherently ostracizing and alienating. When human beings are alienated (especially those who may see it consecutively), we do feel it. This is not speculation or some fru-fru shit. It's backed by scientific research and proof. [Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bWlTZZN3DY] Parallel behavior is also observed in the Stanford Prison study.

    But, okay, how are those particular studies relevant to the topic at hand? Simple. These two situations follow a close pattern of inequality-- appreciation vs deappreciation, power and powerless, desired vs undesired. In the Brown Eyes/Blue Eyes study, one group of kids are told they are "beautiful" while the others are told they are not. This creates inequality which makes one group feel lesser than the other. Of course, the study incorporates an element that disenfranchises the other but where one group is placed on a pedestal, the other descends into feeling shame, guilt, and a sense of depreciation. While, in this case, "Whites" are not disenfranchising "blacks, asians, fems", they are supporting an increasingly rejective attitude which IS alienating in nature. It subtracts and makes a person feels depreciated.

    Stanford study takes this into a whole new level. The guards/prisoners were assigned 'roles'. At first, everything seemed jokes and games but over the progress of time, what we see is the powerful correlation of disenfranchisement occuring as one group oppresses the other subjugating them to terrible conditions and maltreatment-- even the professor (a.k.a. The Warden) finds himself sucked into his role. Gay men victimize each other in a similar way albeit not living in close quarters with each other. When one is depreciated in an obvious manner, the punches begin to roll in.

    Humans can be such spiteful little maggots. icon_neutral.gif


    We all want to be wanted, we all want to be needed and appreciated. This is what the desire is; however, when one kind of appearance, behavior, mannerism, attitude, or lifestyle is supported, the other one will automatically begin become to feel inferior. There is no way around that.


    Hadje states, "No one has a monopoly on what it means being "gay"." While this is true, everyone does seem to play a vital role in constructing what it means to be gay. We don't need to be sociologists to understand the dynamics of gay culture. You can see it in the streets, the magazine, on Grindr, and even here. Grindr's portrayal of gay men is not an "accident". Nor is it a "coincidence". It is VERY relevant in addressing the key concerns and attitudes that go behind the despotic and marginalizing behavior of gay men.

    Heterosexuals have preferences as well. While not a perfect model simply when considering societal and porportion, heterosexuals do not (usually) berate and alienate individuals outside of their preference. Perhaps largely in part because they simply don't have to. They can find it anywhere. If one could compare the pool of homo/bisexuals to heterosexuals, their pool would be like an ocean while ours a kiddy pool. icon_razz.gif So, yes, if men want what they want (and arguably are going to 'act like men'), they have to take control and address their wants/needs at the door so not to invite the uninvited. Being straight forward and honest is welcomed (and perhaps becomes necessary on Grindr-- which is mostly looking for sexual gratification anywho).

    Attraction is, in parts, not a choice but it is societally manipulated. We are suggested through years of conditioning that a certain "type" of person is better for us. Of course, this has varying degrees of success (e.g. I know a Louisianian friend who was raised in a very white part of place, to like girls, and to like fair-skin types but he does neither nor). While we can't count on knowing how exactly human attraction is structured (or at least I don't know for sure not being an experiment), I can say for certain that there IS flagrant bigotry within the community (and outside). "No Asians" becomes "No Rice". "No Arabs" becomes "No Camels". "No Indians" becomes "No Curry". Again, these are not just 'random' spots of bigotry.

    In Dallas, my experience with the many men who live here, "sexy" is not Latino, Black, Asian, or Native American. It's White. That's what sells the most in magazines, in products, in a lot of outlets.

    In gay culture, the undefined skinny femme is not what is "hot" (except for maybe a pocket of people). It is the strong, muscular, and 'masculine'.


    It's becoming pandemic because there is no traction, no one to say "It's not okay to marginalize people". In fact, quite the opposite! If anyone who complains about these things, he is ridiculed for being "mamby phamby" or "a pussy" or anything else that objectifies/marginalizes the female condition of emotional sensitivity and weakness-- in their minds.

    Yeah.. totally no misogyny. *Rolls eyes*

    Anyway, when preferences become a pejorative, it's prejudice, not prerogative-- other than being an ass. Just my two cents hence. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Sep 16, 2012 2:38 AM GMT
    No I don't care if a dude posts something like "No Latinos, only White". Besides, at least from what I can tell, even if a dude in his early twenties posts something like "only interested in white dudes around my age", he'll still get half his responses from Asians, blacks, latinos, and men old enough to be his father who don't care enough to look at anything in a guy's profile except his pictures.
    Why be offended? Maybe if the profile said something like "Sorry, but I don't want KFC-eating-grape-soda drinking chocolate men or border-hopping-lawnmower-driving latin men or car-accident-waiting-to-happen Asians." THEN maybe you'd have a reason to be offended. Who cares what other people prefer?
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    Sep 16, 2012 7:44 PM GMT
    ^^^

    Yeah, I agree to a certain extent. I think it's better they state the race then instead of going all stereotypically racist in it... I have seen one profile before that did that and it was kind of offensive since it sounded like he was generalizing.

    But if I may ask, if you were the race that the profile said he wanted but he had his preferences on what races he did not want, would you still want to date them? Sorry I got this kind of question in my head after reading Anocxu's comment.

    Personally, I probably couldn't but it would depend on the guy I guess.
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    Sep 20, 2012 7:42 PM GMT
    As I have said before. Stop describing them as preferences.

    A preference suggests an existing choice between two possible options.


    Ex.
    I am offered the choice between ice cream and cake.
    I can eat ice cream or cake but I prefer to eat cake.


    Given the choice between the two options, one has the potential to engage either option. Since a person’s decision would naturally skew towards the option that provides him/her with the most enjoyment, a person who enjoys ice cream will pick ice cream…….but it is still a conscious and controllable choice.

    An inability suggests both options, but only one possible choice.

    Ex.
    I am offered the choice between ice cream and cake
    I am allergic to cake. My inability to eat cake prompts me to choose ice cream.

    When many people discuss what they find desirable, they use the word preference to describe the INABILLILITY to find members of a particular race sexually appealing.

    If you find all men universally attractive but choose to only date white men, that would mean that you consciously selected against other races…which is the classic definition of racism.

    If you are unable to find non-white people attractive, you cannot be considered racist. You cannot be judged on something that you do not have the ability to do.

    Research has revealed that areas of the brain that control physiological attraction are similar in women and gay men. There is a physiological component to a gay mans inability to find women sexually attractive.
    Until a similar physiological or neurochemical marker is discovered in men who do not have the ability to find non-white men attractive vs. those who do, the argument that

    “I can’t be attracted to x group of guys any more than I can be attracted to women.”

    Is a completely bogus argument?

    So we have a large segment of the gay population walking around with the inability to find non-white men attractive and we have no physiological evidence to suggest that this inability is innate.
    The only possible explanation that can be offered is conditioning.
    Gays have failed to create a culture that appreciates multiple forms of male beauty. The white male has been inextricably infused into our definition of what is beautiful.

    This is what you get if you Google hot gay man

    http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=hot%20gay%20man&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=to&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=avQ4ULTVC6fZ6wG3uoHwBA&biw=1920&bih=1024&sei=bvQ4UOb9B5LS6gHX54Ao

    Popular porn site

    http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=gaymaletube&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

    Note the lack of diversity in both.

    If a person is capable of being attracted to all races, but only chooses to engage members of one race...that is racist. The bad thing about discussing sexual attraction in terms of preferences is that it the word preference suggests choice. When you say,

    “I’m not into ……just a preference”

    People view it as an assault on their particular race because you are suggesting that you at some point chose which races to like and decided against them. But if you only like men of one race, you came to this conclusion based on cultural factors, not physiological ones.
    AND PHYSIOLOGY DOES HAVE TO POP UP SOMEWHERE IN THE EQUATION.

    If you don’t like black guys, and you don’t know why you don't like them, but refuse to admit that you are influenced by a culture that heavily promotes the idea that white people are more attractive than other people then when you use the word preference, you are basically saying that black guys ARE less attractive.

    The word preference forces the members of the non chosen race to wear their unattractiveness, rather than the chooser being forced to acknowledge that the ability to perceive that race as attractive has been conditioned out of him.
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    Sep 20, 2012 9:42 PM GMT
    This thread is sad and racist.

    When you reject an entire race based on the few... that's racist. Pretty simple.

    Even race has attractive men, every race has good people, every race has the potential to have a good man to date.

    But the broad brush most guys use... so sad.

    Personally, you should look less at the race and more at how hot they are.. Cause DAMN I've met some hot asians, indians, latinos and well every other single race.

    I've also met some real ugly ones... and I'm not just talking physically.