Are we naive in thinking a HIV neutral world is possible?

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    Sep 12, 2012 12:07 PM GMT
    An interesting article on the Stigma Project

    http://www.thebody.com/content/68992/the-stigma-project-live-hiv-neutral.html

    I think, or I would like to that this is indeed possible, I have lost freinds to HIV/AIDS in the past, but not so recently, I know my attitude and thinking has changed... what do you think?
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    Sep 12, 2012 6:47 PM GMT
    As long as ignorant attitudes exist like that above HIV/AIDS will exist.

    Well and as long as Africa is around and doesn't sink into the sea. Looking at the culture in some parts of Africa it will be nearly impossible to eliminate many diseases without a huge shift and improvement in society.
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    Sep 12, 2012 7:04 PM GMT
    There's some recent good news on a vaccine though:

    http://www.nature.com/news/vaccine-trial-reveals-chinks-in-hiv-s-armour-1.11380
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    Sep 12, 2012 7:09 PM GMT
    Maybe I'm just naive, but I have never seen this HIV stigma. When guys I know talk about poz guys it usually goes like this:

    Person A: 10/10. Would bang.

    Person B: He gots the HIV.

    Person A: 10/10. Would bang. Need to go buy condoms.

    Person B: Keep the kissing down too.

    Person A: K. N look up his meds.

    or they still think he's hot and would go out with him/wife him but wouldnt have sex with him. (this is how I feel)
  • jim_sf

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    Sep 12, 2012 7:54 PM GMT
    AeroNalex saidPerson B: Keep the kissing down too.


    ...er, what?
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    Sep 12, 2012 8:06 PM GMT
    Egro_Nadley said
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    AeroNalex saidPerson B: Keep the kissing down too.


    ...er, what?


    excuse me, but who among us doesn't like to use their mother of pearl caviar spoon to orally feast upon the spinal fluid of our partners and taste the delicious nectar of their reservoir? with some fava beans? nice chianti?

    kids these days are sooo vanilla icon_evil.gif


    Mother of pearl? How gauche. I much prefer stainless steel, with sleek Art Nouveau lines. (But the fava beans and chianti sound lovely, thank you.)
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    Sep 12, 2012 9:01 PM GMT
    Egro_Nadley saidi think hiv exceptionalism will fade away.

    people will always want to avoid STI, but the weird exceptionalism that surrounded a single infection will fade.

    addiction is a disease too....i find that much more onerous than anything you'd need labwork for

    This*
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    Sep 12, 2012 9:05 PM GMT
    Egro_Nadley saidyou know....i see a niche market for Prince Alberts with optional flip out caviar spoons...just for boys like you

    icon_eek.gif Unsexplored territory...
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    Sep 12, 2012 9:24 PM GMT
    AeroNalex saidMaybe I'm just naive, but I have never seen this HIV stigma. When guys I know talk about poz guys it usually goes like this:

    Person A: 10/10. Would bang.

    Person B: He gots the HIV.

    Person A: 10/10. Would bang. Need to go buy condoms.

    Person B: Keep the kissing down too.

    Person A: K. N look up his meds.

    or they still think he's hot and would go out with him/wife him but wouldnt have sex with him. (this is how I feel)


    you're naive
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    Sep 12, 2012 10:03 PM GMT
    ATC84 saidAs long as ignorant attitudes exist like that above HIV/AIDS will exist.

    Well and as long as Africa is around and doesn't sink into the sea. Looking at the culture in some parts of Africa it will be nearly impossible to eliminate many diseases without a huge shift and improvement in society.


    It's not really just Africa though is it, the AIDs rates haven't been plummeting recently in many of the western nations either among gay men or young people (aged 16-25)
  • Lincsbear

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    Sep 13, 2012 10:48 AM GMT
    As our understanding and treatment of HIV improves, it changes from a deadly infection to a chronic but manageable condition people can live an increasingly good quality life with. At some point it will be completely treatable/ preventable, mostly likely through a vaccine.

    It will always be central to gay culture, but it`s prominence in the mainstream will fade with time as new diseases emerge and spread.

    In the medical literature it will take its place among the other deadly diseases of history: leprosy, malaria, tuberculosis, syphilis, etc.
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    Sep 13, 2012 12:20 PM GMT
    definitely possible. its starting to happen already.

    in high prevalence areas such as in South Africa, HIV infection rates in some communities can be as high as 30% of the adult population. in this context, HIV becomes "normalized" and incorporated into standard health screenings, is a normal discourse within health care, employers have HIV supportive policies, and health insurance offer a range of products available for HIV+ consumers. this is not the case in many western "developed" countries where we continue to face criminalisation policies, a barely accessible health care, towering financial problems affording medicines, and a lack of any sort of insurance scheme for chronic long-term medical conditions.

    while HIV is not completely devoid of stigma or shame in South Africa, it is not as tilted as it once was. this i believe is because SA has recently come from very dark times of HIV denialism. with the turning of governmental health care policies towards more proactive health care provision, along side the great work of humanitarian medical aid organisations such as Médecins Sans Frontières / Doctors Without Borders providing free HIV treatment, there was a strong beacon of hope after decades of mounting deaths. and this provided the case for strong celebrations, pride, and social mobilisation among HIV+ populations.

    there is a lesson in here for all of us. the term "HIV neutrality" implies a world where HIV no longer has the stigma associated with the disease. that it merely becomes a disease, which is treatable, and which everyone (HIV+ and HIV-) is conscious and knowledgeable about. cancer was once as stigmatised as HIV, but with decades of social mobilisation, diversification of health care, and greater research and understanding of cancer, the stigma was disarmed - people now just focus on fighting the disease without the judgement of the individual who "carries" the disease. this kind of neutralisation of HIV stigma is already happening in our medical communities. HIV is part of universal medical precautions and assumed in daily routines. in our HIV+ communities, this is also already happening - with people meeting in groups, socialising online and in real life, and negotiating harm reduction practices (e.g. sero sorting). in our more generalized gay communities, this is starting to happen among the more informed among us, as we get to know and understand that HIV is big in our communities, and people are not dieing as they once were, but instead are living quite practically and "invisibly" among us. but in the general population, we have a long way to go, we have a lot of misinformation that we need to fight, and our youth are sadly not well educated about sex, sexuality, and health implications.

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    Sep 13, 2012 12:31 PM GMT
    JackBlair69 saidYes. As long as queers keep buttfucking, AIDS will not disappear.
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    which is why the majority of people who have it are heterosexual?
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    Sep 13, 2012 1:21 PM GMT
    calibro said
    JackBlair69 saidYes. As long as queers keep buttfucking, AIDS will not disappear.
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    which is why the majority of people who have it are heterosexual?


    What is the percentage breakdown of HIV in Heteros vs. Gays?
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    Sep 13, 2012 1:24 PM GMT
    BuddyinNYC said
    calibro said
    JackBlair69 saidYes. As long as queers keep buttfucking, AIDS will not disappear.
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    which is why the majority of people who have it are heterosexual?


    What is the percentage breakdown of HIV in Heteros vs. Gays?


    does it matter?
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    Sep 13, 2012 1:27 PM GMT
    shortstuffs said
    BuddyinNYC said
    calibro said
    JackBlair69 saidYes. As long as queers keep buttfucking, AIDS will not disappear.
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    which is why the majority of people who have it are heterosexual?


    What is the percentage breakdown of HIV in Heteros vs. Gays?


    does it matter?


    Absolutely since gays are only ~7% of the population.
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    Sep 13, 2012 1:36 PM GMT
    BuddyinNYC said
    calibro said
    JackBlair69 saidYes. As long as queers keep buttfucking, AIDS will not disappear.
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    which is why the majority of people who have it are heterosexual?


    What is the percentage breakdown of HIV in Heteros vs. Gays?


    there is no exact figure, but, statistically, 50 percent of all hiv/aids cases worldwide are in females. females do no pass the virus to other females, and though nonsexual acts cause the spread of the virus, the majority of transmissions are through sex. in the us alone, about a third of transmission is among heterosexuals. thus, even if every male in the world who acquired the disease were homosexual, the females would be heterosexual encounters... and we know men get the virus via heterosexual sex too. ergo, a majority of cases of the hiv/aids worldwide exists in heterosexuals (particularly subsuharan africa)
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    Sep 13, 2012 1:38 PM GMT
    Until a vaccine becomes available, I highly doubt it.

    And it will probably happen elsewhere first before the phenomenon reaches Australia. From what I can see, the majority of HIV+ men prefer not to disclose their status outright on their profiles, opting for the "Prefer not to say" or "Ask me" option which in itself alludes to a non-negative status. So obviously the stigma over here is very much palpable as far as they are concerned.
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    Sep 13, 2012 1:39 PM GMT
    Egro_Nadley said...

    addiction is a disease too....i find that much more onerous than anything you'd need labwork for


    Couldn't agree more on addiction as a disease :-)

    I think an "HIV Neutral" wold is achievable. We can't forget that it goes both ways - neg guys have one set of concerns with poz guys, and HIV+ guys have another set of concerns with neg guys.

    The stigma is an interesting one. Several years ago I had a friend that worked with the white house on AIDS in Africa policy. They commissioned a bracelet like the lance armstrong bracelets, there was some english text on it and also braille.. The concept being to encourage people to reach out and touch, to try and break down some barriers. Thought it was kind of neat.
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    Sep 13, 2012 1:40 PM GMT
    BuddyinNYC said
    shortstuffs said
    BuddyinNYC said
    calibro said
    JackBlair69 saidYes. As long as queers keep buttfucking, AIDS will not disappear.
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    which is why the majority of people who have it are heterosexual?


    What is the percentage breakdown of HIV in Heteros vs. Gays?


    does it matter?


    Absolutely since gays are only ~7% of the population.


    and lesbians have the lowest percentage of hiv/aids encounters amongst sexually active groups. what's your point?
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    Sep 13, 2012 7:05 PM GMT
    JackBlair69 saidYes. As long as queers keep buttfucking, AIDS will not disappear.

    Yeah, cause Jesus has yet to invent condoms.
    Idiot.
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    Sep 16, 2012 9:57 PM GMT
    JackBlair69 saidYes. As long as queers keep buttfucking, AIDS will not disappear.


    Oh, qu'est-ce qu'il y a ici? Un homophobe homosexuel?

    WTF?
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    Oct 01, 2012 5:43 AM GMT
    calibro said
    JackBlair69 saidYes. As long as queers keep buttfucking, AIDS will not disappear.
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    which is why the majority of people who have it are heterosexual?


    Thats in Africa, but could the same be said about America or Oz, I think not, and bare backing is coming back in, this more infection will follow.
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    Oct 01, 2012 5:46 AM GMT
    JackBlair69 saidYes. As long as queers keep buttfucking, AIDS will not disappear.


    Why are you here?


    But to answer the OP, yes.