Reports: Marines Not Permitted Live Ammo at American Embassy in Cairo

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    Sep 14, 2012 12:14 PM GMT
    http://freebeacon.com/reports-marines-not-permitted-live-ammo/

    Pentagon denies reports on Marine blogs that U.S. embassy did not authorize service members to carry ammo

    UPDATE: A Marine spokesperson at the Pentagon denied reports that U.S. Marines defending the American embassy in Egypt were not permitted by the State Department to carry live ammunition in a statement to Fox News Thursday.

    Pentagon Lt. Col. Chris Hughes told the outlet: “The ambassador and RSO (Regional Security Officer) have been completely and appropriately engaged with the security situation. No restrictions on weapons or weapons status have been imposed. This information comes from the Det Commander at AMEMB (American Embassy) Cairo.”

    The statement came in response to reports that U.S. Marines defending the American embassy in Egypt were not permitted by the State Department to carry live ammunition.

    Ambassador to Egypt Anne Patterson “did not permit U.S. Marine guards to carry live ammunition,” according to multiple reports on U.S. Marine Corps blogs spotted by Nightwatch. “She neutralized any U.S. military capability that was dedicated to preserve her life and protect the US Embassy.”

    Time magazine’s Battleland blog also reported Thursday that “senior U.S. officials late Wednesday declined to discuss in detail the security at either Cairo or Benghazi, so answers may be slow in coming.”

    If true, the reports indicate that Patterson shirked her obligation to protect U.S. interests, Nightwatch states.

    “She did not defend U.S. sovereign territory and betrayed her oath of office,” the report states. “She neutered the Marines posted to defend the embassy, trusting the Egyptians over the Marines.”

    While Marines are typically relied on to defend U.S. territory abroad, such as embassies, these reports indicate that the Obama administration was relying on Egypt’s new Muslim Brotherhood-backed government to ensure American security, a move observers are questioning as violence in Cairo continues to rage.

    Marc Toner, the State Department’s deputy spokesperson, did not respond to a request for comment from the Free Beacon. White House National Security Council spokesperson Tommy Vietor also did not respond to a request for comment.

    The U.S. ambassador to any nation ultimately decides whether Marines are authorized to carry ammunition, according to a GOP national security adviser knowledgeable about American embassy protocols.
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    Sep 14, 2012 12:20 PM GMT
    Talking about rumor mills.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/egypt-embassy-marines-live-ammo#USMCmemo-The Ambassador did not impose restrictions on weapons or weapons status on the Marine Corps Embassy Security Group (MCESG) detachment. The MCESG Marines in Cairo were allowed to have live ammunition in their weapons. The Ambassador and Regional Security Officer have been completely and appropriately engaged with the security situation. Reports of Marines not being able to have their weapons loaded per direction from the Ambassador are not accurate.
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    Sep 14, 2012 12:23 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidTalking about rumor mills.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/egypt-embassy-marines-live-ammo#USMCmemo-The Ambassador did not impose restrictions on weapons or weapons status on the Marine Corps Embassy Security Group (MCESG) detachment. The MCESG Marines in Cairo were allowed to have live ammunition in their weapons. The Ambassador and Regional Security Officer have been completely and appropriately engaged with the security situation. Reports of Marines not being able to have their weapons loaded per direction from the Ambassador are not accurate.


    The article above also notes the controversy but given that there are several marines who have made the accusation, the situation is such that you have to ask who is telling the truth and why.
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    Sep 14, 2012 12:26 PM GMT
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    The article above also notes the controversy but given that there are several marines who have made the accusation, the situation is such that you have to ask who is telling the truth and why.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/egypt-embassy-marines-live-ammo#USMCmemoThe sole source for this assertion was "Nightwatch"—a conservative "intelligence" blog written by former Defense Department analyst John McCreary and hosted by a subsidiary of a defense contractors' lobby group—which attributed the report to unnamed (and uncounted) "USMC blogs." According to McCreary, Patterson—a career foreign service officer who was not a political appointee, and who served George W. Bush as an ambassador to the UN and to Pakistan—"did not defend U.S. sovereign territory and betrayed her oath of office." And: "She neutered the Marines posted to defend the embassy, trusting the Egyptians over the Marines."
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    Sep 14, 2012 2:05 PM GMT
    riddler4 asked elsewhere where he has ever misrepresented facts or misunderstood them:

    A Marine spokesperson at the Pentagon denied reports that U.S. Marines defending the American embassy in Egypt were not permitted by the State Department to carry live ammunition in a statement to Fox News Thursday


    He posts that with a wholly misleading thread title "Marines Not permitted live ammunition...""



    He could have been HONEST and said "Marines deny reports they were not permitted ammunition...." but that wouldn;t suit his propagandist purposes of trying to spread disinformation to Americans as a foreign agent provocateur.

    Who was the Viet Cong's propaganda persona? RJ has riddler

    The propagandists are also culpable for crimes against humanity.

    riddler's headline proves he is a slimy liar.


    He knows he dishonours his family too -- because he must hide behind a pseudonym so his ancestors don't all scream out from the grave at their name being so disgraced.

    He at least shows an modicum of respect for his ancestors by remaining an anonymous obscure propagadist


    I know my name can be found easily. (I knew that would happen when I made the concious decision to accept a position at an easily googled AIDS charity My first acknowledging this actvism on RJ made me instantly findable by google.I willingly put my own credibility on the line with every word I publish. That is what brought me to my next challenges.


    My entire extended family knows what I do, what I say, and whether they agree with me or not, they are proud as hell that I have brought brought our family name forward with honour.

    They are proud to claim me as their cousin, brother, etc..



    I honestly wonder (because I wonder about things like what motivates people) if riddler would be proud to let his family read his posts here.

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    I could let any of my relatives read my posts here without embarassment, and I feel confident that would find eveything I post completely consistent with the values that were instilled in us as an Army family that goes back to 1650. (that was drilled into us - and it seems to have had deep effect)

    -- Hence my deeply ingrained disgust for disinformation campaigns and interference with factual intelligence as treasonous and clearly identifies an ENEMY.


    That is why I consider riddler a cancer in my country that undermines our democracy and our Charter Rights.


    I can honestly say nothing positive about him except that he has protected his ancestors from sliming their name.



    My father dedicated a lifetime (and we had to follow) to upholding those values.

    riddler's behaviour tells me we were not doing it for him. HJe is the enemy of all we held dear.

    So I cannot change a lifetime of ingrained sense of truth, honour and -yes PATRIOTISM - as the son of a general.

    It was not always a happy life, and to think we did it for the likes of riddler makes me want to punch his parents.







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    Sep 14, 2012 2:11 PM GMT
    Upper_Cdn saidriddler4 asked elsewhere where he has ever misrepresented facts or misunderstood them:

    A Marine spokesperson at the Pentagon denied reports that U.S. Marines defending the American embassy in Egypt were not permitted by the State Department to carry live ammunition in a statement to Fox News Thursday


    He posts that with a wholly misleading thread title "Marines Not permitted live ammunition...""



    He could have been HONEST and said "Marines deny reports they were not permitted ammunition...." but that wouldn;t suit his propagandist purposes of trying to spread disinformation to Americans as a foreign agent provocateur.

    Who was the Viet Cong's propaganda persona? RJ has riddler

    The propagandists are also culpable for crimes against humanity.

    riddler's headline proves he is a slimy liar.


    He knows he dishonours his family too -- because he must hide behind a pseudonym so his ancestors don't all scream out from the grave at their name being so disgraced.

    He at least shows an modicum of respect for his ancestors by remaining an anonymous obscure propagadist


    I know my name can be found easily. (I knew that would happen when I made the concious decision to accept a position at an easily googled AIDS charity My first acknowledging this actvism on RJ made me instantly findable by google.I willingly put my own credibility on the line with every word I publish. That is what brought me to my next challenges.


    My entire extended family knows what I do, what I say, and whether they agree with me or not, they are proud as hell that I have brought brought our family name forward with honour.

    They are proud to claim me as their cousin, brother, etc..



    I honestly wonder (because I wonder about things like what motivates people) if riddler would be proud to let his family read his posts here.

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    I'm sorry you have such an inability to read but that only makes you look like a bloviating fool - and hardly honorable. It also makes you a drunk and a bigot. But on this issue, do feel free to read my comments and responses above yours.
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    Sep 14, 2012 2:11 PM GMT
    Rumors are like wildfires--it only takes a single careless (sometimes intentional) match. It doesn't help if people want to fan it instead of putting it out.
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    Sep 14, 2012 2:15 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidRumors are like wildfires--it only takes a single careless (sometimes intentional) match. It doesn't help if people want to fan it instead of putting it out.


    It is difficult, given the disastrous diplomatic and public response to these attacks by the Obama Administration, to figure out what's truth and what's fiction. Who would have thought after all that the Obama as a gifted speaker would accidentally disclaim Egypt as an ally, openly and publicly in a casual remark?

    Who would have thought that the US would be so cavalier about the security and safety of its personnel? Who would have thought that Obama would have skipped a security briefing and instead go to Vegas for a political fundraiser?

    I mean in context, I can see how some don't want this to be a story given how cavalier even the New York Times was in burying the story in its back pages until it blew up because of Romney's defence of free speech.
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    Sep 14, 2012 2:26 PM GMT
    I wonder where rioddler gets the idea I drink at all? Perhaps projecting? (Who would even tink of drinking at this time of the morning? tipple time?)


    You cannot drink with blood thinners and anti seizure medications.


    I have mentioned it before- frequnrly in fact - but you have never let facts get in the way of your lies.



    So drinking is speculation (and quite false)


    Your lying is patent.


    If I met your pareNts I would be proud to tell them why I hate you - and believe they areutterly to blame.


    Unless you have an addiction



    Which would explain a LOT actually...


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    (dayum I think I may be on to someting there!?)






    "bloviating" - interesting word.




    In military families, we call that a "dressing down."


    And the tone and words I chose should imply your epaulets being torn off , and you being slapped with the commander's leather glove.

    "You have been proscribed."


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    Sep 14, 2012 2:28 PM GMT
    He could have been HONEST and said "Marines deny reports they were not permitted ammunition...."
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    Sep 14, 2012 2:32 PM GMT
    Upper_Cdn saidI wonder where rioddler gets the idea I drink at all? Perhaps projecting? (Who would even tink of drinking at this time of the morning? tipple time?)


    You cannot drink with blood thinners and anti seizure medications.


    I have mentioned it before- frequnrly in fact - but you have never let facts get in the way of your lies.



    So drinking is speculation (and quite false)


    Your lying is patent.


    If I met your pareNts I would be proud to tell them why I hate you - and believe they areutterly to blame.


    Unless you have an addiction



    Which would explain a LOT actually...


    icon_eek.gif


    (dayum I think I may be on to someting there!?)






    "bloviating" - interesting word.




    In military families, we call that a "dressing down."


    And the tone and words I chose should imply your epaulets being torn off , and you being slapped with the commander's leather glove.

    "You have been proscribed."


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    Oh I'm sorry, are the drugs at the root of your racist rants?