How to deal with flakes?

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    Sep 14, 2012 1:03 PM GMT
    Alright so I have this photoshoot coming up tomorrow that I'm styling for, and I'm having issues with the people involved not being very reliable.
    I've asked the photographer a few times if he could let me know when the model and I should arrive at his studio but he still hasn't given me a solid answer. This is not only troubling because I don't know when to be there, but also because the model has been slow at replying to the facebook messages I've sent him. My last message to him (on Monday) included my phone number and asked for his in case I need it on the day of the shoot, but he hasn't replied to that. The photographer has his e-mail address, so I'll have to ask him to e-mail the model as soon as he knows what time we should be there for.
    update: I just sent the model a message to let him know that I am waiting to hear back from the photographer and that I will have the photographer e-mail him with the time and directions.

    Arrgghghhh I just want to know that everything is planned so that I'm not left worrying all day/night about whether or not this shit will even happen. icon_facepalm.gif


    How do you deal with people like this?

    The photographer and I are friends outside of our business relationship so I want to keep things civil obviously.
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    Sep 14, 2012 1:17 PM GMT
    TheGuyNextDoor saidWelcome to the industry. Things will get even crazier, the further you get into the biz. Wait till you have 6 guys or girls to get ready before they enter the catwalk.
    Don't misplace anyone's shoe or you're fucked..and good luck working around that many personalities.
    Get ready for a lot of hurry up and wait. Kinda like working on a set.
    Fuck that I'm not working runway shows. icon_donotwant.png
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    Sep 14, 2012 1:26 PM GMT
    TheGuyNextDoor saidIf you can, stick to print work. It's less chaotic and more intimate work.
    I'm basically just doing photo styling for my portfolio. Hopefully when I land a job it will be in visual merchandising.
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    Sep 14, 2012 1:44 PM GMT
    The friend factor makes things tricky. But let's say you weren't friends, you could deal with flaky people by adding monetary penalties in the contract for not following through. Or charge no-show fees in case they don't show up at all.

    But in this case, I'd say skip the FB and email. Call his flaky ass and get firm time/date.
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    Sep 14, 2012 2:11 PM GMT
    The longer you work in the industry..you'll start building your list of reliables!..
    ..Lay out the option for a primary and backup model next time!..
    Always present yourself as having a busy schedule!... Sometimes you have to 'make' people respect your time!
  • JosephC

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    Sep 14, 2012 2:31 PM GMT
    hah I have trouble with this from photogs all the time. It's shit like this that make us professional models look bad. Give them an ultimatum, tell them you need to know by a certain date or time or you won't be able to do the shoot, if they were anything professional then they would have told you immediately. Based on this behavior I take it they're not so I'd start looking for another shoot to book. Time is money don't waste it on flakes and never work with them again.
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    Sep 14, 2012 3:43 PM GMT
    How to deal with flakes? pour milk on them and eat
  • bischero

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    Sep 14, 2012 3:58 PM GMT
    Justim saidHow to deal with flakes? pour milk on them and eat


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    Sep 14, 2012 4:04 PM GMT
    Justim saidHow to deal with flakes? pour milk on them and eat


    LOL was just about to make the same remark.
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    Sep 14, 2012 4:22 PM GMT
    I've been dealing with a lot of flakes lately >.<

    It wasn't like this hen I was bi! Now that I'm full on gay, it's bothering me icon_razz.gif

    Even my closest and most dearest friends tends to a flake now and then... I can't say anything, to not upset them. But whatever, I'm tired of thinking about it. Best thing is to just ignore it and move forward...
  • MikemikeMike

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    Sep 14, 2012 4:23 PM GMT
    Head and Shoulders, or Selsum Blue.icon_idea.gif
  • FireDoor211

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    Sep 14, 2012 4:40 PM GMT
    I like to cover flakes with milk, Fresh fruit and a Little honey. Mmmm
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    Sep 14, 2012 6:04 PM GMT
    Sometimes you think that a great dandruff shampoo will help, but flakes are often just dried hair product. Rinse your hair before you go to sleep at night and everything should clear up.
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    Sep 14, 2012 7:38 PM GMT
    Wow y'all just repeating each others jokes now that's real sad.
  • Webster666

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    Sep 14, 2012 7:47 PM GMT
    Inconsiderate ass holes act like this BECAUSE NICE PEOPLE LIKE YOU LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT.

    I don't put up with this kind of shit from my friends.

    And, if business people act like this, I take my business elsewhere.

    Being organized and punctual makes everything run smoothly.

    It's not an unreasonable expectation.

    Your time is as valuable as anyone else's.

    Call the photographer and make him give you a definite answer as to what time to show up. If he won't give you a definite answer, tell him that you are sorry, but you have a busy schedule, and you need to have him give you a definite time. Don't let him jerk you around.
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    Sep 14, 2012 7:48 PM GMT
    Wait a minute. Is this the same McQueen that used to be Anduru? How did I miss the boy going big time? Congrats.
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    Sep 14, 2012 7:51 PM GMT
    Coach_Mike saidWait a minute. Is this the same McQueen that used to be Anduru? How did I miss the boy going big time? Congrats.
    lol this is the same photographer I worked with for my internship so I'm still the same old me. icon_yatta.gif
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    Sep 14, 2012 8:13 PM GMT
    btw maybe I should have stated this in the original post but nobody here is making money from this photoshoot. The photographer is helping me with my portfolio and we've both wanted to do this photoshoot concept for a while, and the model hasn't asked for compensation and he's not professional so I'm assuming he's doing it for free. icon_rofl.gif
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    Sep 14, 2012 8:36 PM GMT
    I think because we are friends and I'm not paying him for this he's more lax about it but somehow I end up feeling bad for harassing him. ugh.gif He mentioned that he was e-mailing myself and the model earlier today, but I haven't received an e-mail yet.... and I don't want to but I had to message him saying "Sorry to bother but I didn't receive your e-mail icon_sad.gif"
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    Sep 15, 2012 12:02 AM GMT
    He hasn't texted me back and I still don't have an e-mail from him. icon_facepalm.gif
    The model sent me his number today so I'm texting him to ask if he received an e-mail from the photog.
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    Sep 15, 2012 12:38 AM GMT
    The model texted me back and said that the photographer didn't e-mail him.
    The photographer won't answer his phone or reply to my texts.
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    Sep 15, 2012 12:48 AM GMT
    It's your own fault for presenting yourself as a doormat. If I have an appointment with someone and they fail to communicate with me, the appointment is automatically OFF. If you're more than 10 minutes late without a courtesy phone call, I pack my shit and go home, and the next day you get an invoice for my time. My time is valuable and I have zero tolerance for people who take me for granted. And the minute you start chasing after them like a child, that's exactly the kind of relationship you've established.

    Oh, and another thing.....you don't do business with friends! Ever. I thought everyone knew that.
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    Sep 15, 2012 1:04 AM GMT
    There are no invoices. Nobody is getting paid for anything in this situation.

    How am I presenting myself as a doormat?
    He's being a manipulative douche and when I texted him this morning saying "Hey, I texted [model] to say that you will e-mail him with the time of our shoot and directions to his place." he replied "I'm e-mailing you both right now. I know you're excited, but I think you remember how I react to over-communication."
    He hasn't e-mailed either of us and it's like 11 hours later, and no I don't remember how he reacts to "over-communication". What the fuck is "over-communcation" anyways? It's not my fault he won't give me straight answers when I ask him questions and therefore have to ask again later.
  • Timbales

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    Sep 15, 2012 1:08 AM GMT
    McQueen saidbtw maybe I should have stated this in the original post but nobody here is making money from this photoshoot. The photographer is helping me with my portfolio and we've both wanted to do this photoshoot concept for a while, and the model hasn't asked for compensation and he's not professional so I'm assuming he's doing it for free. icon_rofl.gif


    that's the problem, when people are making money they generally take things more serious
  • barriehomeboy

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    Sep 15, 2012 1:18 AM GMT
    OK Hands up. Who here is a model and can speak honestly abouit this?