Romney in the Gutter

  • tazzari

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    Sep 14, 2012 6:10 PM GMT
    From Timothy Egan's column in today's NYT:

    "Romney can’t see the facts for what they are because he’s persuaded that Obama’s foreign policy is one long apology tour. Nor does he have the good sense to stand down until he knows what he’s talking about, as did most of official Washington, Republican and Democrat.

    "Romney was left sputtering in the gutter with the dregs of his party. He was there with Sarah Palin, who used the tragedy to make cringe-worthy fun of and crude jokes about the president. Like Romney, she got her facts wrong, a professional trademark in her case. And he was there with Rush Limbaugh, who lauded him as a statesman.

    "Free speech, when it’s abused, can lead millions of people to believe a lie. Thus, up to a third or more of Republicans still tell pollsters that they think the president of the United States is not an American citizen. This is little different from ignorant Islamists who think the American government could be behind a blunt attack on their religion.

    "Don’t expect Romney to say he made a mistake; his last book, after all, is titled “No Apology.” But a man who can’t say he’s sorry abused one of the biggest free speech opportunities in the world. His words were revealing, and in that sense he did voters a favor."
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    Sep 14, 2012 8:03 PM GMT
    Yup.
    It's a blessing that Mitt has revealed the fact that he backs Bush's failed foreign policy arrogance and war-mongering BEFORE the election.

    The vast majority of Americans DO NOT want to return to the kind of interventionist foreign policy madness that was the Bush/Cheney doctrine.

    It's bad enough that Mitt advocates doubling down on Bush's failed economic policies - but advocating doubling down on Bush's failed foreign policies is perhaps even worse.
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    Sep 14, 2012 8:24 PM GMT
    RickRick91 said

    The vast majority of Americans DO NOT want to return to the kind of interventionist foreign policy madness that was the Bush/Cheney doctrine.


    This remains to be seen. So far that is just an assumption.
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    Sep 14, 2012 8:28 PM GMT
    Blakes7 said

    This remains to be seen. So far that is just an assumption.


    ^^^This^^^ Blake I am sure you know that the term "doubling-down" is more appropriately applied to the endless false information the Rickster likes to spew ad nauseam.
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    Sep 14, 2012 8:29 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Blakes7 said

    This remains to be seen. So far that is just an assumption.


    ^^^This^^^ Blake I am sure you know that the term "doubling-down" is more appropriately applied to the endless false information the Rickster likes to spew ad nauseam.


    CJAZ im sure u are aware blake is a conservaposse sock acciunt. Stop addressing the sock as a real person
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    Sep 14, 2012 8:33 PM GMT
    But Blake is a real person, silly. Pssst...Pssst...Hi Blake...Hope you're having a nice Friday icon_wink.gif
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    Sep 14, 2012 8:35 PM GMT
    Blakes7 said
    RickRick91 said

    The vast majority of Americans DO NOT want to return to the kind of interventionist foreign policy madness that was the Bush/Cheney doctrine.


    This remains to be seen. So far that is just an assumption.





    Nope.
    Here's the most recent poll to show the widely shared strong opposition to repeating the kind of interventionist "nation-building" Bush-style madness that the radical right supports.
    http://www.niacinsight.com/2012/09/11/majority-of-americans-oppose-iran-war-in-all-circumstances-support-direct-talks/

    You're the one who's making false assumptions.
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    Sep 14, 2012 8:35 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidBut Blake is a real person, silly. Pssst...Pssst...Hi Blake...Hope you're having a nice Friday icon_wink.gif


    More lies from the habitual liar CJAZ.
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    Sep 14, 2012 8:38 PM GMT
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    CuriousJockAZ saidBut Blake is a real person, silly. Pssst...Pssst...Hi Blake...Hope you're having a nice Friday icon_wink.gif


    More lies from the habitual liar CJAZ.




    Poor CJAZ is clearly drunk on spiked Repub Kool-Aid today.
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    Sep 14, 2012 8:59 PM GMT
    It's amazing how you can assume I'm someone else, and just dismiss me. However, what I said is true. The election will decide if a "vast majority" think one thing or another. That wasn't controversial, just a statement of fact. In response to an assumption.
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    Sep 14, 2012 9:01 PM GMT
    Funny thats not we are hearing down under. I've heard how with the economic downturn, things are not looking so rosie for Obama; there is hope for America still.
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    Sep 14, 2012 9:03 PM GMT
    Blakes7 saidIt's amazing how you can assume I'm someone else, and just dismiss me. However, what I said is true. The election will decide if a "vast majority" think one thing or another. That wasn't controversial, just a statement of fact. In response to an assumption.


    But one the left did not want to hear, so they feel this gives them the right to bully you. Funny how they act in a very underhanded way, a way they love to reflect the focus onto the conservatives?
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    Sep 14, 2012 9:06 PM GMT
    Blakes7 said
    RickRick91 said

    The vast majority of Americans DO NOT want to return to the kind of interventionist foreign policy madness that was the Bush/Cheney doctrine.


    This remains to be seen. So far that is just an assumption.


    But it would not be a return as Bush and Cheney for one, and I also think it's delusional to suggest the majority will support Obama, but time will indeed tell, and soon.
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    Sep 14, 2012 9:09 PM GMT
    Blakes7 saidIt's amazing how you can assume I'm someone else, and just dismiss me. However, what I said is true. The election will decide if a "vast majority" think one thing or another. That wasn't controversial, just a statement of fact. In response to an assumption.




    You posted an OPINION that's unsupported by any facts.
    I posted a poll from just a few days ago which shows what the attitude is of a majority of Americans on the idea of rushing into another war in the middle east.
    http://www.niacinsight.com/2012/09/11/majority-of-americans-oppose-iran-war-in-all-circumstances-support-direct-talks/

    It's rather humorous that you consider your opinion to be a "statement of fact" with greater relevance and credibility than poll numbers.
    But such is the delusional fact-challenged "thinking" of too many on the right.
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    Sep 14, 2012 9:21 PM GMT
    He must of gone down there to check out America;s economy from the damage Obama has done.
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    Sep 14, 2012 9:27 PM GMT
    Blakes7 saidIt's amazing how you can assume I'm someone else, and just dismiss me. However, what I said is true. The election will decide if a "vast majority" think one thing or another. That wasn't controversial, just a statement of fact. In response to an assumption.


    Not exactly the case since if the election doesn't go Obama's way these mental midgets will have an excuse for that also.
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    Sep 14, 2012 10:03 PM GMT
    RickRick91 said
    Blakes7 saidIt's amazing how you can assume I'm someone else, and just dismiss me. However, what I said is true. The election will decide if a "vast majority" think one thing or another. That wasn't controversial, just a statement of fact. In response to an assumption.




    You posted an OPINION that's unsupported by any facts.
    I posted a poll from just a few days ago which shows what the attitude is of a majority of Americans on the idea of rushing into another war in the middle east.
    http://www.niacinsight.com/2012/09/11/majority-of-americans-oppose-iran-war-in-all-circumstances-support-direct-talks/

    It's rather humorous that you consider your opinion to be a "statement of fact" with greater relevance and credibility than poll numbers.
    But such is the delusional fact-challenged "thinking" of too many on the right.


    Anyone can find a poll that gives one side or the other a few percentage points of a lead. Results change hourly(and many times polls are skewed and results twisted). Either way, that isn't a "vast majority". Even if every poll gave a few points lead one way or the other. These are facts. In other words, your use of the word "vast" is hyperbole. And, I might add, wishful thinking. That is, however, just my opinion. And an additional opinion of mine is that you are setting yourself up for a momentous disappointment in the event that Obama loses, which, in your heart of hearts you know to be a possibility, however much you wish to avoid thinking about it. I am prepared for anything to avoid disappointment. This is called being realistic.
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    Sep 14, 2012 10:22 PM GMT
    I'm of the mind that Mr. Obama will win this one. I'm okay with that
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 14, 2012 10:56 PM GMT
    I think it could go all kinds of ways. I do think Romney may do better than people think (depending on his debate performances), but not sure if it will be enough to win. Whoever wins, I just hope it is a clear winner, and not one of those nail-biters in which people start spinning all sorts of conspiracy theories.
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    Sep 14, 2012 11:06 PM GMT
    Blakes7 said
    RickRick91 said
    Blakes7 saidIt's amazing how you can assume I'm someone else, and just dismiss me. However, what I said is true. The election will decide if a "vast majority" think one thing or another. That wasn't controversial, just a statement of fact. In response to an assumption.




    You posted an OPINION that's unsupported by any facts.
    I posted a poll from just a few days ago which shows what the attitude is of a majority of Americans on the idea of rushing into another war in the middle east.
    http://www.niacinsight.com/2012/09/11/majority-of-americans-oppose-iran-war-in-all-circumstances-support-direct-talks/

    It's rather humorous that you consider your opinion to be a "statement of fact" with greater relevance and credibility than poll numbers.
    But such is the delusional fact-challenged "thinking" of too many on the right.


    Anyone can find a poll that gives one side or the other a few percentage points of a lead. Results change hourly(and many times polls are skewed and results twisted). Either way, that isn't a "vast majority". Even if every poll gave a few points lead one way or the other. These are facts. In other words, your use of the word "vast" is hyperbole. And, I might add, wishful thinking. That is, however, just my opinion. And an additional opinion of mine is that you are setting yourself up for a momentous disappointment in the event that Obama loses, which, in your heart of hearts you know to be a possibility, however much you wish to avoid thinking about it. I am prepared for anything to avoid disappointment. This is called being realistic.




    Okay - post a link to a poll which shows that a majority of Americans support starting another war in the middle east.
    You claim that such polls exist - but I've only seen polls which show a strong majority of Americans oppose getting involved in any more wars in the middle east.

    If you've seen polls which show Americans are itching to see America start another war in the middle east - post a link to them.


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    Sep 14, 2012 11:18 PM GMT
    Now we are down to a "strong majority" and the subject has been changed from the policy of one person or another to the specific subject of WAR, which is only a part of policy. And you ignored everything else I've said. One must be realistic in this life.......I'm almost sorry I tried to help you avoid a major disappointment, which is possible, whether you think so or not. Do not place too much trust in polls, for many reasons, including skewed polls, manipulated statistics, and the likelyhood of things changing all the time. A lot can happen between now and election day.
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    Sep 14, 2012 11:28 PM GMT
    Blakes7 saidNow we are down to a "strong majority" and the subject has been changed from the policy of one person or another to the specific subject of WAR, which is only a part of policy. And you ignored everything else I've said. One must be realistic in this life.......I'm almost sorry I tried to help you avoid a major disappointment, which is possible, whether you think so or not. Do not place too much trust in polls, for many reasons, including skewed polls, manipulated statistics, and the likelyhood of things changing all the time. A lot can happen between now and election day.




    LOL
    EPIC FAIL.

    You couldn't find any poll showing a majority of Americans support starting a war in the middle east - so now you're trying to change the subject to deflect from the fact that you've been caught talking out of your ass.

    And FYI - I'm very realistic.
    Right now the only realistic view of the election is that Obama is winning.
    Trying to deny that is delusional.
    That doesn't guarantee that President Obama will win.
    Something could possibly happen to alter the dynamics of the race.
    It's just very unlikely.

    Since 1948 every incumbent president who was leading in mid September has gone on to win.
    That's reality.
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    Sep 14, 2012 11:35 PM GMT
    Think whatever you like, keep missing the point, I tried to help. icon_neutral.gif