Mitt Romney: People earning $250,000 are 'middle income'

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    Sep 15, 2012 12:10 PM GMT
    In Romney's world, $250,000 probably is middle income, but in the real world it is just another sign the guy is completely out of touch.

    George Stephanopoulos asked the Massachusetts Governor if he considered someone earning $100,000 as being "middle income".

    "No, middle income is $200,000 to $250,000 and less," Mr Romney replied.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/9544261/Mitt-Romney-People-earning-250000-are-middle-income.html
  • rnch

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    Sep 15, 2012 12:56 PM GMT
    Mitt opens his mouth inserts his silver foot.



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    Sep 15, 2012 2:10 PM GMT
    Mitt is so out of touch its scary!
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 15, 2012 2:24 PM GMT
    A biased article in the UK's TELEGRAPH --- color me STUNNED! icon_wink.gif Obviously, the article was taking the discussion out of context in order to slight Mr. Romney. No big surprise there. Romney is spot on in railing against Ben Berrnanke's wanting to have yet a 3rd infusion of printed money into the U.S. economy. Regardless, all of this will be flushed out clearly and with specifics during the debates.
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    Sep 15, 2012 2:49 PM GMT
    bostonsam saidDid any of you read what he actually said? He said people making up to $200,000 if you are single and up to $250,000 if you are married are middle income. The Democratic party has said that if you make $250,000 you are a "millionaire and billionaire." Now, WHO is having trouble with numbers????? LOL


    The Republicans. How much does a teacher make? 30k. Firefighter? 30k. These are the middle class. The 100k crowd is upper middle class. And the 250k crowd is wealthy. Your welcome for the info southbeach from someone outside the luxury bubble
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    Sep 15, 2012 2:58 PM GMT
    catfish5 said
    bostonsam saidDid any of you read what he actually said? He said people making up to $200,000 if you are single and up to $250,000 if you are married are middle income. The Democratic party has said that if you make $250,000 you are a "millionaire and billionaire." Now, WHO is having trouble with numbers????? LOL


    The Republicans. How much does a teacher make? 30k. Firefighter? 30k. These are the middle class. The 100k crowd is upper middle class. And the 250k crowd is wealthy. Your welcome for the info southbeach from someone outside the luxury bubble


    You're being way too simplistic here Catfish, not taking into account all sorts of factors that do matter -- are they single or married with children? Where do they live -- Canton, Ohio or San Francisco or New York City? A young single teacher living in Canton, OH making $30K a year is a different story than say a teacher and single mother of 3 living in New York City.
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    catfish5 said
    bostonsam saidDid any of you read what he actually said? He said people making up to $200,000 if you are single and up to $250,000 if you are married are middle income. The Democratic party has said that if you make $250,000 you are a "millionaire and billionaire." Now, WHO is having trouble with numbers????? LOL


    The Republicans. How much does a teacher make? 30k. Firefighter? 30k. These are the middle class. The 100k crowd is upper middle class. And the 250k crowd is wealthy. Your welcome for the info southbeach from someone outside the luxury bubble


    You're being way too simplistic here Catfish, not taking into account all sorts of factors that do matter -- are they single or married with children? Where do they live -- Canton, Ohio or San Francisco or New York City? A young single teacher living in Canton, OH making $30K a year is a different story than say a teacher and single mother of 3 living in New York City.


    Im talking the average middle class family. Married couple. Husband is firefighter or police officer. Stay at home mom. 2 kids. Living in suburban midwest. Obviously, u have no clue what average middle class is.
  • HottJoe

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    Sep 15, 2012 3:07 PM GMT
    Mitt should avoid questions about the middle class.
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    Sep 15, 2012 3:13 PM GMT
    catfish5 said
    Im talking the average middle class family. Married couple. Husband is firefighter or police officer. Stay at home mom. 2 kids. Living in suburban midwest. Obviously, u have no clue what average middle class is.


    American middle class

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    The American middle class is a social class in the United States.[1][2] While the concept is typically ambiguous in popular opinion and common language use,[3] contemporary social scientists have put forward several, more or less congruent, theories on the American middle class. Depending on class model used, the middle class may constitute anywhere from 25% to 66% of households.

    One of first major studies of the middle class in America, White Collar: The American Middle Classes, was made by sociologist C. Wright Mills in 1951. Later sociologists such as Dennis Gilbert of Hamilton College commonly divide the middle class into two sub-groups. Constituting roughly 15% to 20% of households is the upper or professional middle class consisting of highly educated, salaried professionals and managers. Constituting roughly one third of households is the lower middle class consisting mostly of semi-professionals, skilled craftsmen and lower level management.[2][4] Middle-class persons commonly have a comfortable standard of living, significant economic security, considerable work autonomy and rely on their expertise to sustain themselves.[5]

    Everyone wants to believe they are middle class...But this eagerness...has led the definition to be stretched like a bungee cord — used to defend/attack/describe everything...The Drum Major Institute...places the range for middle class at individuals making between $25,000 and $100,000 a year. Ah yes, there's a group of people bound to run into each other while house-hunting.
    —Dante Chinni[3]

    Members of the middle class belong to diverse groups which overlap with each other. Overall, middle-class persons, especially upper-middle-class individuals, are characterized by conceptualizing, creating and consulting. Thus, college education is one of the main indicators of middle-class status. Largely attributed to the nature of middle-class occupations, middle class values tend to emphasize independence, adherence to intrinsic standards, valuing innovation and respecting non-conformity.[2][5] Politically more active than other demographics, college educated middle class professionals are split between the two major parties.[6]

    Income varies considerably from near the national median to well in excess of $100,000.[2][4] Household income figures, however, do not always reflect class status and standard of living, as they are largely influenced by the number of income earners and fail to recognize household size. It is therefore possible for a large, dual-earner, lower middle class household to out-earn a small, one-earner, upper middle class household.[5] The middle classes are very influential, as they encompass the majority of voters, writers, teachers, journalists, and editors.[7] Most societal trends in the US originate within the middle classes.[8]
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    Sep 15, 2012 3:18 PM GMT
    catfish5 said
    Im talking the average middle class family. Married couple. Husband is firefighter or police officer. Stay at home mom. 2 kids. Living in suburban midwest. Obviously, u have no clue what average middle class is.


    I get what YOU are talking about --- the average middle class family. Married couple. Husband is firefighter or police officer. Stay at home mom. 2 kids. Living in suburban midwest. --- however, that wasn't exactly what Mitt Romney was talking about when pertaining to "Middle Income" vs "Average Middle Class Family"
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    Sep 15, 2012 3:18 PM GMT
    So my definition fits with wikpedia. And just for clarification, when i refer to middle class it is always a family with 2 kids living in suburban midwest.

    30k is middle class income. 100k is upper middle class. 250k is wealthy.

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    Sep 15, 2012 3:23 PM GMT
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    catfish5 said
    Im talking the average middle class family. Married couple. Husband is firefighter or police officer. Stay at home mom. 2 kids. Living in suburban midwest. Obviously, u have no clue what average middle class is.


    I get what YOU are talking about --- the average middle class family. Married couple. Husband is firefighter or police officer. Stay at home mom. 2 kids. Living in suburban midwest. --- however, that wasn't exactly what Mitt Romney was talking about when pertaining to "Middle Income" vs "Average Middle Class Family"


    What you, southbeach, and mitt refer to as middle class is the dude who makes an average income relative to your social circles. So for mitt its the nascar owner or ceo who has neither the highest income nor lowest income, but the middle of the road joe. In mitts case it would be Jerry jones, dallas Cowboys owner.
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    Sep 15, 2012 3:24 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidA biased article in the UK's TELEGRAPH --- color me STUNNED! icon_wink.gif Obviously, the article was taking the discussion out of context in order to slight Mr. Romney. No big surprise there. Romney is spot on in railing against Ben Berrnanke's wanting to have yet a 3rd infusion of printed money into the U.S. economy. Regardless, all of this will be flushed out clearly and with specifics during the debates.


    The Telegraph is definitely biased, to the right. They don't call it the 'Torygraph' (a play on the old name for the Conservative Party) for nothing. If they are criticizing Romney, things must be bad.
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    Sep 15, 2012 3:25 PM GMT
    catfish5 said

    What you, southbeach, and mitt refer to as middle class is the dude who makes an average income relative to your social circles.


    No, sorry, that is NOT what Mitt said, and you don't get to put words in his mouth. I am sure this will be hashed out in the debates, and Mitt will make it abundantly clear exactly what he met, and you will see that Mitt Romney doesn't really define the middle class or "medium income" or "middle income" any differently than Obama does.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/09/mitt-romneys-definition-of-the-middle-class-is-pretty-weird-in-1-graph/262402/

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/23/how-perceptions-of-the-middle-class-keep-shifting/
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    Sep 15, 2012 3:27 PM GMT
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    catfish5 said

    What you, southbeach, and mitt refer to as middle class is the dude who makes an average income relative to your social circles.


    No, sorry, that is NOT what Mitt said, and you don't get to put words in his mouth. I am sure this will be hashed out in the debates, and Mitt will make it abundantly clear exactly what he met, and you will see that Mitt Romney doesn't really define the middle class or "medium income" or "middle income" any differently than Obama does.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/09/mitt-romneys-definition-of-the-middle-class-is-pretty-weird-in-1-graph/262402/


    Common dude. Betting Rick Perry 10k? Even delusional King Rick was stunned by that. Mitt has never had anything to do with middle class and it shows.
  • KissTheSky

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    Sep 15, 2012 3:29 PM GMT
    Romney has spent his entire life in a bubble of wealth and privilege that prevents him from having the slightest idea how regular Americans live or what their lives are like. Isn't it nice that Mitt has multiple mansions and estates, jets around the world to amuse himself, is catered to by servants, and sets up his children with multi-million dollar trust funds so they never have to work.
    But this has obviously distorted his idea of how real working Americans live.

    Wikipedia puts the median U.S. household income at $50,000.

    A tiny 1.37% of Americans earn $200K-$250K -- so no, Mitt, that is hardly "middle income."

    Once again, Mitt shoots his mouth off without having the facts, demonstrating his ignorance about issues that he should know about if he wants to be taken seriously.
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    Sep 15, 2012 3:30 PM GMT
    catfish5 said
    Common dude. Betting Rick Perry 10k? Even delusion King Rick was stunned by that. Mitt has never had anything to do with middle class and it shows.


    No one is denying that Mitt Romney is an extremely successful and very wealthy man. That being said, the difference between a liberal and a conservative is that "success" and "wealth" are not considered bad things. Mitt Romney should neither be ashamed of or apologize for his "success" and wealth". We've had many extremely wealthy Presidents in our history, and that should in no way disqualify them from being to be a leader of ALL people.
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    Sep 15, 2012 3:32 PM GMT
    KissTheSky saidRomney has spend his entire life in a bubble of wealth and privilege that prevents him from having the slightest idea how regular Americans live or what their lives are like. Isn't it nice that Mitt has multiple mansions and estates, jets around the world to amuse himself, is catered to by servants, and sets up his children with multi-million dollar trust funds so they never have to work.
    But this has obviously distorted his idea of how real working Americans live.

    Wikipedia puts the median U.S. household income at $50,000.

    A tiny 1.37% of Americans earn $200K-$250K -- so no, Mitt, that is hardly "middle income."

    Once again, Mitt shoots his mouth off without having the facts, demonstrating his ignorance about issues that he should know about if he wants to be taken seriously.


    I think the gay republicans are a bit outta touch too. Something tells me their idea of slumming it is not having valet parking at their luxury condo.
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    Sep 15, 2012 3:34 PM GMT
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    catfish5 said
    Common dude. Betting Rick Perry 10k? Even delusion King Rick was stunned by that. Mitt has never had anything to do with middle class and it shows.


    No one is denying that Mitt Romney is an extremely successful and very wealthy man. That being said, the difference between a liberal and a conservative is that "success" and "wealth" are not considered bad things. Mitt Romney should neither be ashamed of or apologize for his "success" and wealth". We've had many extremely wealthy Presidents in our history, and that should in no way disqualify them from being to be a leader of ALL people.


    Its not about success or wealth and nobody is vilifying it. What im saying is if you have never lived a middle class lifestyle, u have no clue what it is. And most people think they are middle class, regardless if they make 15k or 300k because people tend to judge themselves by who their neighbors are.
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    Sep 15, 2012 3:41 PM GMT
    catfish5 saidSomething tells me their idea of slumming it is not having valet parking at their luxury condo.



    Ummmm, who the HELL would live in a luxury condo without valet parking? Do they even build such atrocities? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 15, 2012 4:41 PM GMT
    bostonsam saidWhat a bunch of stupid people there are posting on this topic. They probably are on some form of government assistance.


    WTF? What is the correlation between enrollment in a government assistance program and posting in an online forum regarding the topic middle class? Is it because u dont want to have to pay your fair share of taxes if wealthy is defined by an income level if 250k?
  • KissTheSky

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    Sep 15, 2012 5:12 PM GMT
    Romney has unintentionally revealed that he doesn't understand the simplest concepts of our country's economics. He has shot himself in the foot yet again. He is sinking fast in the polls and can't afford more blunders with the election in only six weeks.
    In any event, I hope video exists of Romney embarrassing himself again with this comment, it will make a GREAT campaign ad for Obama to use against him.
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    Sep 15, 2012 5:13 PM GMT
    bostonsam saidWhat a bunch of stupid people there are posting on this topic. They probably are on some form of government assistance.



    and which conservaposse's sock account are you icon_question.gif





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    Sep 15, 2012 5:14 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidA biased article in the UK's TELEGRAPH --- color me STUNNED! icon_wink.gif Obviously, the article was taking the discussion out of context in order to slight Mr. Romney. No big surprise there. Romney is spot on in railing against Ben Berrnanke's wanting to have yet a 3rd infusion of printed money into the U.S. economy. Regardless, all of this will be flushed out clearly and with specifics during the debates.


    The Telegraph is a rabidly right-wing publication, for those unfamiliar with the British press.
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    Sep 15, 2012 5:49 PM GMT
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    bostonsam saidWhat a bunch of stupid people there are posting on this topic. They probably are on some form of government assistance.



    and which conservaposse's sock account are you icon_question.gif





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