Why it’s necessary to talk to people or make phone calls

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    Sep 15, 2012 9:57 PM GMT
    Today I ran into some neighbors I hadn’t seen in several months. They are Jews, lifelong Democrats. Two years ago after they had returned from Israel, I asked them about the reaction among the Israelis. At the time they said the Israelis they talked to liked Obama and did not like Netanyahu.

    They just returned from another trip to Israel, and I asked them about the opinions among Israelis this time. I asked them specifically if Israelis were worried about Iran. They said they were and mentioned everyone had gas masks. I asked about the opinion about Obama this time. They said the Israelis realize Obama does not care about them and do not expect he would help if the situation with Iran becomes acute. My neighbors are American citizens in their first loyalty of course is to the US, but they are concerned about the US posture towards Israel.

    So I asked them who they were voting for this time. They were distraught and said they may not vote at all. Obama has lost them but they could not see themselves voting for Romney. I asked why? They didn’t have a good tangible reason except he was a Republican. I said he was among the more moderate Republicans. They said well look who he chose for a vice president. We discussed Ryan, his approach to save Medicare, not touching anyone 55 years old and older. I also explained how Obama raided Medicare to pay for Obamacare, is establishing a panel to determine if someone should receive coverage for particular medical problem. For example the panel might determine someone is too old to get a hip replacement. That is something that seniors today should be concerned about.

    They had never heard this before surprisingly. I asked them where they get their news? They said immediately they would never listen to Fox News. I said fine but it’s obvious that you’re getting the news from sources that are highly loyal to Obama, and are not giving you the true picture. I mentioned as an example the news outlets were worried about Romney saying something that was absolutely correct and consistent with what most Americans feel, that being we shouldn’t be apologizing to those who want to damage our embassies. The news outlets were trying to cover the absolute failure of Obama’s mid-east foreign-policy because Romney spoke while Obama was obviously huddled with his political advisors trying to figure out what to say.

    I also mentioned something we had discussed before. That being if they always vote for one political party without regard to the issues or the competency of the candidates, that party will take their vote for granted and not have to earn their vote. Right now the Democratic Party has thrown the Democratic moderates under the bus, and are being driven by the left-wing progressives loyal to Obama. Even though Bill Clinton is supporting Obama, he knows and everyone knows that Obama is nothing like Clinton, who moved to the center. Probably the best thing that could happen to the Democratic Party in the long run is for them to lose and let the moderates reassert control of the party as was during the Clinton years.

    I can’t say that I succeeded in one conversation in having them vote for Romney as opposed to not voting at all. But they are certainly going to think about some things that they hadn’t thought about before. What this suggests is the importance of talking to people whether it’s neighbors or even making phone calls. I realize making phone calls is outside the comfort zone of many people, but I would encourage this because we have to get outside our comfort zone if the issues are important to us. Much of the media is corrupt and dishonest. Even though they have less influence than in the past, they still are influential among many who don’t get their news from varied sources. You don’t have to be a gifted orator. Just a common sense discussion may open the eyes of people who have been fooled for too long.
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    Sep 15, 2012 10:23 PM GMT
    It's sad that you're trying to appeal to their human rights by sacrificing your own. I guess that's why they call you an Uncle Tom.icon_sad.gif
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    Sep 15, 2012 10:27 PM GMT
    My bf is jewish. His family hates Obama. They are staunch Romney supporters, and they became even more pro-Romney after he picked Paul Ryan. Most of the jewish people I know seem to be leaning toward Romney, but that's just here in Ohio
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    Madhatter2009 saidMy bf is jewish. His family hates Obama. They are staunch Romney supporters, and they became even more pro-Romney after he picked Paul Ryan. Most of the jewish people I know seem to be leaning toward Romney, but that's just here in Ohio

    More breaking news from the political trenches in Ohio. Or is that fabricated news?

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    HottJoe saidIt's sad that you're trying to appeal to their human rights by sacrificing your own. I guess that's why they call you an Uncle Tom.icon_sad.gif

    Fact is I have been active promoting same sex marriage, changing attitudes in various venues, for example on RJ, I actively promoted interest to support funding for a documentary that I think will help change attitudes:
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2492421

    The reality is we don't get the luxury of having presidential candidates agree with all our positions. Not only do you disagree with my opinion of Obama's policies, but also you and others are completely unable to comprehend that people like me have such opinions. Nevertheless, I will state it again. I believe Obama's policies are taking this country in an extremely damaging direction. Getting him out of office is the absolute number one priority for me. If successful, I think the Democrats will take a more centrist economic position, and social issues might become a key differentiator in the future, but now they're not.
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    Sep 15, 2012 10:36 PM GMT
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    HottJoe saidIt's sad that you're trying to appeal to their human rights by sacrificing your own. I guess that's why they call you an Uncle Tom.icon_sad.gif

    Fact is I have been active promoting same sex marriage, changing attitudes in various venues, for example on RJ, I actively promoted interest to support funding for a documentary that I think will help change attitudes:
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2492421

    The reality is we don't get the luxury of having presidential candidates agree with all our positions. Not only do you disagree with my opinion of Obama's policies, but also you and others are completely unable to comprehend that people like me have such opinions. Nevertheless, I will state it again. I believe Obama's policies are taking this country in an extremely damaging direction. Getting him out of office is the absolute number one priority for me. If successful, I think the Democrats will take a more centrist economic position, and social issues might become a key differentiator in the future, but now they're not.


    And if then Dems win, will you pay your fair share of taxes?
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    Sep 15, 2012 10:41 PM GMT
    catfish5 said
    And if then Dems win, will you pay your fair share of taxes?


    Will you?

    hyp·o·crite

    noun ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit
    Definition of HYPOCRITE
    1
    : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
    2
    : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings
    — hypocrite adjective
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    Examples of HYPOCRITE

    the hypocrites who criticize other people for not paying their fair share of taxes but who don't always pay their fair share themselves.
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    Sep 15, 2012 10:47 PM GMT
    I also had the opportunity to talk to some old high school friends at a reunion recently. One lives in Ohio with a large extended family. The other lives in Florida. The one in Ohio assured me that Romney wont win Ohio since he was focused like a laser beam on letting the auto industry fail. He said everyone knows Romney is a liar and tax cheat and voting for him would destroy the middle class.

    My friend in Florida also assurred my Obama would win Florida. He stated that peole in Florida agree with Charlie Christ. The Republican party has become so extreme, delusional, and catering to religious fringe groups and the uber wealthy, Romney looks out of touch with middle class floridians.

    In that case, i said Romney can have Texas. Florida and Ohio will lead us to 4 more years of moving forward- not backward to the same old failed GOP policies of the Bush era.
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    Sep 15, 2012 10:51 PM GMT
    Madhatter2009 said
    catfish5 said
    And if then Dems win, will you pay your fair share of taxes?


    Will you?

    hyp·o·crite

    noun ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit
    Definition of HYPOCRITE
    1
    : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
    2
    : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings
    — hypocrite adjective
    See hypocrite defined for English-language learners »
    See hypocrite defined for kids »
    Examples of HYPOCRITE

    the hypocrites who criticize other people for not paying their fair share of taxes but who don't always pay their fair share themselves.


    Of course i pay my fair share of taxes, y wouldnt I?
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    Sep 15, 2012 10:53 PM GMT
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    Of course i pay my fair share of taxes, y wouldnt I?


    How does one claim paid blowjobs? Do your clients 1099 you? So every dime you make off Rentboy.com is claimed on your taxes?
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    Sep 15, 2012 10:54 PM GMT
    Madhatter2009 said
    catfish5 said

    Of course i pay my fair share of taxes, y wouldnt I?


    How does one claim paid blowjobs? Do your clients 1099 you? So every dime you make off Rentboy.com is claimed on your taxes?


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    Sep 15, 2012 10:57 PM GMT
    This discussion about Romney wanting the auto industry to fail is more of the pure bullshit that comes from the left, also implied by the buffoon Biden. Romney and Obama both favored a reorganization under bankruptcy laws. Romney wanted it under Chapter 11, with a court determining how assets should be allocated. Obama and the Administration used Chapter 363 which avoided the fairness of the courts in favor of putting the UAW ahead of others. It also screwed public employee pensions that were not as connected politically as the UAW.

    Funny, often with the Democrats try and make a point, the facts show what corrupt liars they really are. Here are the facts:

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2330431

    (BTW - claiming someone is a sock without evidence and making associated threats is harassment. Maybe Madhatter will report this as well.)
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    Sep 15, 2012 10:58 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    HottJoe saidIt's sad that you're trying to appeal to their human rights by sacrificing your own. I guess that's why they call you an Uncle Tom.icon_sad.gif

    Fact is I have been active promoting same sex marriage, changing attitudes in various venues, for example on RJ, I actively promoted interest to support funding for a documentary that I think will help change attitudes:
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2492421

    The reality is we don't get the luxury of having presidential candidates agree with all our positions. Not only do you disagree with my opinion of Obama's policies, but also you and others are completely unable to comprehend that people like me have such opinions. Nevertheless, I will state it again. I believe Obama's policies are taking this country in an extremely damaging direction. Getting him out of office is the absolute number one priority for me. If successful, I think the Democrats will take a more centrist economic position, and social issues might become a key differentiator in the future, but now they're not.


    If you go far enough to the right you end up with slavery. You're damn right I'm to the left. That's the side of the middle class.
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    catfish5 said
    Madhatter2009 said
    catfish5 said

    Of course i pay my fair share of taxes, y wouldnt I?


    How does one claim paid blowjobs? Do your clients 1099 you? So every dime you make off Rentboy.com is claimed on your taxes?


    Reported to admin.



    Ahhhhh, so I've hit a nerve. You can accuse people of all sorts of things, but someone accuse you of the obvious -- not reporting income on your illegal activities -- and you run to an admin? Let all here see what a scared little cat you really are because you know we all know you don't report that income and you are a great big hypocrite.
    hyp·o·crite
    noun ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit
    Definition of HYPOCRITE
    1
    : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
    2
    : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings
    — hypocrite adjective
    See hypocrite defined for English-language learners »
    See hypocrite defined for kids »
    Examples of HYPOCRITE

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    socalfitness saidThis discussion about Romney wanting the auto industry to fail is more of the pure bullshit that comes from the left, also implied by the buffoon Biden. Romney and Obama both favored a reorganization under bankruptcy laws. Romney wanted it under Chapter 11, with a court determining how assets should be allocated. Obama and the Administration used Chapter 363 which avoided the fairness of the courts in favor of putting the UAW ahead of others. It also screwed public employee pensions that were not as connected politically as the UAW.

    Funny, often with the Democrats try and make a point, the facts show what corrupt liars they really are. Here are the facts:

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2330431

    (BTW - claiming someone is a sock without evidence and making associated threats is harassment. Maybe Madhatter will report this as well.)


    Let Detroit Go Bankrupt

    -Mitt Romney


    "Ultimately, along with getting nearly $80 billion in loans and other assistance from the Bush and Obama administrations, GM and Chrysler did go through a managed bankruptcy. But many independent analysts have concluded that taking the approach recommended by Romney would not have worked in 2008, simply because the credit markets were so frozen that a bankruptcy was not a viable option."

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/09/06/fact-checker-did-romney-really-say-let-detroit-go-bankrupt/
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    socalfitness saidThis discussion about Romney wanting the auto industry to fail is more of the pure bullshit that comes from the left, also implied by the buffoon Biden. Romney and Obama both favored a reorganization under bankruptcy laws. Romney wanted it under Chapter 11, with a court determining how assets should be allocated. Obama and the Administration used Chapter 363 which avoided the fairness of the courts in favor of putting the UAW ahead of others. It also screwed public employee pensions that were not as connected politically as the UAW.

    Funny, often with the Democrats try and make a point, the facts show what corrupt liars they really are. Here are the facts:

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2330431

    (BTW - claiming someone is a sock without evidence and making associated threats is harassment. Maybe Madhatter will report this as well.)


    Let Detroit Go Bankrupt

    -Mitt Romney

    Bankrupcy means reorganization as well as liquidation. What he wrote in the NY Times was quite clear but deliberately misinterpreted. The Obama approach was also bankruptcy but Chapter 363. Main difference between his approach and Romney's was Obama handing it to UAW.
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    Sep 15, 2012 11:04 PM GMT
    catfish5 said
    Madhatter2009 said
    catfish5 said


    And if then Dems win, will you pay your fair share of taxes?



    Of course i pay my fair share of taxes, y wouldnt I?


    How does one claim paid blowjobs? Do your clients 1099 you? So every dime you make off Rentboy.com is claimed on your taxes?


    Reported to admin.






    wait a second, in many threads you openly talk about escorting. Even suggesting I personally was stupid not to Escort to pay for medical school.

    You cannot throw that information out there, call people out on paying taxes by specifically referencing them personally then claim foul when they turn the tables on your own personal attack.

    The door swings both ways. If you do not want people talking about you personally , do not call people out personally.
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    catfish5 said
    socalfitness saidThis discussion about Romney wanting the auto industry to fail is more of the pure bullshit that comes from the left, also implied by the buffoon Biden. Romney and Obama both favored a reorganization under bankruptcy laws. Romney wanted it under Chapter 11, with a court determining how assets should be allocated. Obama and the Administration used Chapter 363 which avoided the fairness of the courts in favor of putting the UAW ahead of others. It also screwed public employee pensions that were not as connected politically as the UAW.

    Funny, often with the Democrats try and make a point, the facts show what corrupt liars they really are. Here are the facts:

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2330431

    (BTW - claiming someone is a sock without evidence and making associated threats is harassment. Maybe Madhatter will report this as well.)


    Let Detroit Go Bankrupt

    -Mitt Romney

    Bankrupcy means reorganization as well as liquidation. What he wrote in the NY Times was quite clear but deliberately misinterpreted.

    socalfitness saidThis discussion about Romney wanting the auto industry to fail is more of the pure bullshit that comes from the left, also implied by the buffoon Biden. Romney and Obama both favored a reorganization under bankruptcy laws. Romney wanted it under Chapter 11, with a court determining how assets should be allocated. Obama and the Administration used Chapter 363 which avoided the fairness of the courts in favor of putting the UAW ahead of others. It also screwed public employee pensions that were not as connected politically as the UAW.

    Funny, often with the Democrats try and make a point, the facts show what corrupt liars they really are. Here are the facts:

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2330431

    (BTW - claiming someone is a sock without evidence and making associated threats is harassment. Maybe Madhatter will report this as well.)


    Let Detroit Go Bankrupt

    -Mitt Romney


    "Ultimately, along with getting nearly $80 billion in loans and other assistance from the Bush and Obama administrations, GM and Chrysler did go through a managed bankruptcy. But many independent analysts have concluded that taking the approach recommended by Romney would not have worked in 2008, simply because the credit markets were so frozen that a bankruptcy was not a viable option."

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/09/06/fact-checker-did-romney-really-say-let-detroit-go-bankrupt/

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    Sep 15, 2012 11:07 PM GMT
    Kinda reminds me how Romney/Ryan are trying so hard to save Medicare. *wink wink

    Turning it into a voucher program will destroy medicare and the voucher portion wont kick in until Medicare has become insolvent.
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    catfish5 saidLet Detroit Go Bankrupt

    -Mitt Romney


    "Ultimately, along with getting nearly $80 billion in loans and other assistance from the Bush and Obama administrations, GM and Chrysler did go through a managed bankruptcy. But many independent analysts have concluded that taking the approach recommended by Romney would not have worked in 2008, simply because the credit markets were so frozen that a bankruptcy was not a viable option."

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/09/06/fact-checker-did-romney-really-say-let-detroit-go-bankrupt/

    They both sought a managed bankruptcy with govt guraranteeing lines of credit so that vendors and subcontractors would still make needed supplies. Wash Post fact check is not correct in this case. The references in the link I provided make it clear.
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    Sep 15, 2012 11:10 PM GMT
    musclmed said
    catfish5 said
    Madhatter2009 said
    catfish5 said


    And if then Dems win, will you pay your fair share of taxes?



    Of course i pay my fair share of taxes, y wouldnt I?


    How does one claim paid blowjobs? Do your clients 1099 you? So every dime you make off Rentboy.com is claimed on your taxes?


    Reported to admin.






    wait a second, in many threads you openly talk about escorting. Even suggesting I personally was stupid not to Escort to pay for medical school.

    You cannot throw that information out there, call people out on paying taxes by specifically referencing them personally then claim foul when they turn the tables on your own personal attack.

    The door swings both ways. If you do not want people talking about you personally , do not call people out personally.


    Please show me where i said i am an escort. Talking about escorting does not make you one. Just like talking about medicine doesnt make u a doctor
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    Sep 15, 2012 11:11 PM GMT
    He just doesn't want to hear it.
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    Sep 15, 2012 11:14 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    catfish5 saidLet Detroit Go Bankrupt

    -Mitt Romney


    "Ultimately, along with getting nearly $80 billion in loans and other assistance from the Bush and Obama administrations, GM and Chrysler did go through a managed bankruptcy. But many independent analysts have concluded that taking the approach recommended by Romney would not have worked in 2008, simply because the credit markets were so frozen that a bankruptcy was not a viable option."

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/09/06/fact-checker-did-romney-really-say-let-detroit-go-bankrupt/

    They both sought a managed bankruptcy with govt guraranteeing lines of credit so that vendors and subcontractors would still make needed supplies. Wash Post fact check is not correct in this case. The references in the link I provided make it clear.


    Romney didnt save the auto industry. Obama did. That is 100% fact. Romneys decision to write an opt ed Let Detroit Go Bankrupt is a good example where millions of middle class families would have lost their jobs had Romney been prez. Instead, Obama saved them.
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    socalfitness saidToday I ran into some neighbors I hadn’t seen in several months. They are Jews, lifelong Democrats. Two years ago after they had returned from Israel, I asked them about the reaction among the Israelis. At the time they said the Israelis they talked to liked Obama and did not like Netanyahu.

    They just returned from another trip to Israel, and I asked them about the opinions among Israelis this time. I asked them specifically if Israelis were worried about Iran. They said they were and mentioned everyone had gas masks. I asked about the opinion about Obama this time. They said the Israelis realize Obama does not care about them and do not expect he would help if the situation with Iran becomes acute. My neighbors are American citizens in their first loyalty of course is to the US, but they are concerned about the US posture towards Israel.

    So I asked them who they were voting for this time. They were distraught and said they may not vote at all. Obama has lost them but they could not see themselves voting for Romney. I asked why? They didn’t have a good tangible reason except he was a Republican. I said he was among the more moderate Republicans. They said well look who he chose for a vice president. We discussed Ryan, his approach to save Medicare, not touching anyone 55 years old and older. I also explained how Obama raided Medicare to pay for Obamacare, is establishing a panel to determine if someone should receive coverage for particular medical problem. For example the panel might determine someone is too old to get a hip replacement. That is something that seniors today should be concerned about.

    They had never heard this before surprisingly. I asked them where they get their news? They said immediately they would never listen to Fox News. I said fine but it’s obvious that you’re getting the news from sources that are highly loyal to Obama, and are not giving you the true picture. I mentioned as an example the news outlets were worried about Romney saying something that was absolutely correct and consistent with what most Americans feel, that being we shouldn’t be apologizing to those who want to damage our embassies. The news outlets were trying to cover the absolute failure of Obama’s mid-east foreign-policy because Romney spoke while Obama was obviously huddled with his political advisors trying to figure out what to say.

    I also mentioned something we had discussed before. That being if they always vote for one political party without regard to the issues or the competency of the candidates, that party will take their vote for granted and not have to earn their vote. Right now the Democratic Party has thrown the Democratic moderates under the bus, and are being driven by the left-wing progressives loyal to Obama. Even though Bill Clinton is supporting Obama, he knows and everyone knows that Obama is nothing like Clinton, who moved to the center. Probably the best thing that could happen to the Democratic Party in the long run is for them to lose and let the moderates reassert control of the party as was during the Clinton years.

    I can’t say that I succeeded in one conversation in having them vote for Romney as opposed to not voting at all. But they are certainly going to think about some things that they hadn’t thought about before. What this suggests is the importance of talking to people whether it’s neighbors or even making phone calls. I realize making phone calls is outside the comfort zone of many people, but I would encourage this because we have to get outside our comfort zone if the issues are important to us. Much of the media is corrupt and dishonest. Even though they have less influence than in the past, they still are influential among many who don’t get their news from varied sources. You don’t have to be a gifted orator. Just a common sense discussion may open the eyes of people who have been fooled for too long.


    Liberals put liberalism ahead of everything else.
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    Blakes7 saidHe just doesn't want to hear it.


    Prove it Southbeach!