muchmorethanmuscle saidI love topics like these. However, it's best to talk about them in person because typing out every nuance, every detail would make my fingers fall off. I have so many thoughts racing through my mind at the possibilities.
I think there are things that are forever but they are not of the physical world. But then again without the physical world there is no concept of time. Time is for the physical. So how do we then apply the concept of forever or eternal if matter from the physical world does not apply or that time does not apply to the nonphysical plane?
So is energy physical? I would say that energy inhabits physical beings. But once the need for the physical life no longer is needed (ex. physical death of the body) then where does that energy go? Physicists believe that energy is finite. I believe this too. Perhaps this energy searches for another body to inhabit, hence...reincarnation? Hey it may sound hokey but it can't be anymore disproved than saying something like once you die that's it. There's nothing more. We can't go around proving the other person right or wrong. It certainly would be amazing to understand the laws of the universe. I think if we did we'd be so much more evolved and our focus would radically change.
First off, damn you metalxracr for this topic.... I hate the concept of forever and I can feel my lips going numb from the stress of thinking about it. I spent my childhood praying in church to NOT go to heaven because infinity is my worst nightmare.
About the concept of energy being finite. Yes, this is true.. however , energy can become unusable. Like food that is left to spoil. The energy the food COULD give is potentially less valuable if it is left in a plastic container only to rot. Or a match that just blows out instead of lighting a candle becomes useless to you. I think this is where I find the practice of spirituality fascinating. For example.
When my father died in June I sat at the funeral staring at his ashes and listening to the prayers and well wishes and hopes etc. I wasn't sure what I felt but I knew that I did not want his or that energy to become unusable. If we had denied the possibility of anything beyond this life and plain of existence, his and their energy would become unusable to me. If I channeled all of the energy that was within the walls of the church that day into possibility and action, it would sustain whatever energy was there. I may be wrong, but I think it is what got me through those days.... a conscious effort to channel that energy back into the universe as something useful and infinite. I think this is something most of us felt collectively during 9/11. All of that energy was palpable.
I think you can be an atheist and believe this , maybe? but then there wouldn't be a church humming with energy either..
I don't know where the dead are, but it is just as true that I don't even know where we are. Whatever the universe is, we see so little of it , in its depth and complexity that even that TINY bit is too much for us to comprehend.
(90% of the universe is dark matter and whoever discovers what this matter is will likely radically shift the laws that we presume to know about the universe).