Why is the Arab world so easily offended?

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    Sep 16, 2012 3:16 PM GMT
    "There is an Arab pain and a volatility in the face of judgment by outsiders that stem from a deep and enduring sense of humiliation. A vast chasm separates the poor standing of Arabs in the world today from their history of greatness. In this context, their injured pride is easy to understand."

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/in-the-arab-world-why-a-movie-trailer-can-lead-to-violencewhy-cant-the-arab-world-accept-offenses-without-violence/2012/09/14/d2b65d2e-fdc8-11e1-8adc-499661afe377_story.html?hpid=z2

    This is a good article. But it is, of course, very brief. It is only a newspaper article.

    I highly recommend reading these two books to get a much better understanding of the Muslim world.

    To understand the history of the Islamic faith and who all those various sects are and why they believe the way they do....

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    To understand how they see themselves in history and what historical events befell them.... The invasion of the Seljuk Turks was the seminal event that unlies all that is happening now, a thousand years later. Just as the invasion of the Germanic tribes into the Western Roman empire fundamentally shaped our history for a thousand years ....and even to today.


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    Sep 16, 2012 10:12 PM GMT
    I was thinking about this today.

    It struck me that Muhammed was born in 570 CE, making the religion 1400years old.

    In 1400 how much humour did christians have about their God?



    The two civilizations are probably at about the same level of maturity when it comes to its folk myths.

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    Sep 16, 2012 10:18 PM GMT
    Upper_Cdn saidI was thinking about this today.

    It struck me that Muhammed was born in 570 CE, making the religion 1400years old.

    In 1400 how much humour did christians have about their God?



    The two civilizations are probably at about the same level of maturity when it comes to its folk myths.


    Well there you have it...
    To give them the benefit of the doubt, I'll say that the majority of Muslims are not like the ones protesting. There is a minority amongst Christians who would do the same thing when provoked, it's just there are less of them amongst Christians and they tend to organize militias and political campaigns. If we put the USA into the context of the Arab world, it would be the Tea Party ransacking embassies.
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    Sep 16, 2012 10:38 PM GMT
    Upper_Cdn saidI was thinking about this today.

    It struck me that Muhammed was born in 570 CE, making the religion 1400years old.

    In 1400 how much humour did christians have about their God?



    The two civilizations are probably at about the same level of maturity when it comes to its folk myths.


    And to show the irony, it was the Muslims capturing Byzantium in 1453 that caused many educated people to flee to the West bringing their knowledge and scholarly manuscripts to the West that jump-started our cultural transformation out of the religious Middle Ages. And the West turned around and kicked their asses with that knowledge. They are so confused now.
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    Sep 17, 2012 12:10 AM GMT
    They're easily offended because they're religious fanatics.

    This is a perfect example of why it's important to maintain the separation of church and state.
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    Sep 17, 2012 1:45 AM GMT
    yourname2000 saidThey believe their stupid book is the source of all knowledge from god....like god himself came down and wrote everything you needed to know in one fucked up 1000page book, end of story. So they'll pick the "science" that's in the quran over actual science they can see even with their own eyes. [smh]

    I remember a science guy touring a muslim country and their schools and the muslim "science" teacher was actually teaching science from the fuckin' quran. icon_rolleyes.gif "Fresh water and salt water do not mix....the book tells us so." And the western science teach is "of course they do...look, we can do a test right here with salted and unsalted water, if you like!"

    They didn't like. icon_rolleyes.gif

    So yeah, they're crazy because they're stupid and they're stupid because that fucking book tells them they should be stupid and uneducated. When you give a computer as powerful as the human mind no meaningful input, it has no choice but to manufacture its own bullshit reality out of nothing. And so we have islam. icon_neutral.gif

    Well, here's the story....history...behind all that.

    I am sure you know that in the early centuries of Islam their science rocked. It far outstriped the science of the West. They still had the science of the Roman Empire preserved in Byzantium.

    Whereas in the West, the germanic tribes came crashing into the western empire and brought civilization to its knees. And what did people in the West do? They turned to religion as their source of knowledge and guidance in the world. They gave up on whatever science they still had. It hadnt protected them from the Germans. And of course, the Germans didnt know the science in the first place.

    And the West lived that way for a thousand years...from roughly 400 AD to 1400 AD before society started to wake up, shake off the religious dogma and start living in this world again.

    Now, back to the East, the same thing happened. But instead of germanic tribes, it was the Seljuk Turks. They came crashing into the muslim civilization a thousand years ago. Sacked their great cities and brought their civilization...almost....to its knees. And what was the response of that society, they turned away from all that advanced science that gave them that wonderful civilization and turned to religion as their sole source of guidance. Science hadnt protected them from the turkish hoards, maybe Allah would, if they just lived more like Allah said to.

    Of course, the real result was their civilization stopped advancing. It calcifized with rigid religious rules and silliness....like some people wont eat a grapefruit because they dont know how Muhammed ate a grapefruit.

    This has gone on for....wait for it....a thousand years. The rest of the world....the West in particular....has passed them by. With television, radio, movies, and fast travel, they are more aware then ever of their backwardness. So some....like some in the West around 1400....want to figure out how to live a righteous life but still live in this world. Some however want to maintain the status quo. So you are having an internal conflict....their religous wars....while struggling to come out of their Middle Ages. And as in any war, each side will fight whatever way they think is advantageous for them at the moment. At this moment, uniting forces against a commone external enemy is useful. Ergo, attacks on the West, and the US in particular. ...When in truth, they should go after the Turks....oh, but wait, they are muslim now.
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    Sep 17, 2012 2:11 AM GMT
    That is true... Even most Americans don't know it.

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    Sep 17, 2012 5:02 PM GMT
    Webster666 saidThey're easily offended because they're religious fanatics.


    I am afraid this is just lazy stereotyping.
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    Sep 17, 2012 10:05 PM GMT
    Why is the Arab world so easily offended?

    Because we have so many stupid Americans like George Bush, John McCain, Newt Gingrich, Pat Robertson, Glenn Beck, Jerry Falwell, John Hagee, Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin, and more stupid people etc are running the show and make us Americans look bad.
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    Sep 17, 2012 10:25 PM GMT
    GalileePAL saidWhy is the Arab world so easily offended?

    Because we have so many stupid Americans like George Bush, John McCain, Newt Gingrich, Pat Robertson, Glenn Beck, Jerry Falwell, John Hagee, Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin, and more stupid people etc are running the show and make us Americans look bad.




    Hmmmm...last I checked, none of the above are currently "running the show"
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    Sep 18, 2012 12:03 AM GMT
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    GalileePAL saidWhy is the Arab world so easily offended?

    Because we have so many stupid Americans like George Bush, John McCain, Newt Gingrich, Pat Robertson, Glenn Beck, Jerry Falwell, John Hagee, Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin, and more stupid people etc are running the show and make us Americans look bad.




    Hmmmm...last I checked, none of the above are currently "running the show"


    And one may disagree with him, but to call Gingrich stupid is idiocy.
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    Sep 18, 2012 1:32 AM GMT




    http://www.aaiusa.org/blog/entry/joe-scarborough-dead-wrong-about-why-they-hate-us/

    Today, after supposedly “talking to intelligence people all weekend,” Joe Scarborough shared with us the insight that people in the Middle East “hate us because of their religion, they hate us because of their culture.” He went on to add: “Think about the savagery, just the sheer unrestrained savagery that we have seen across the Middle East and the Arab World over the past week.” And just in case you’re under the impression that Scarborough accidentally left out the word “some people” or something, he further emphasized the extent of his generalization by suggesting that “every street vendor to prime minister in that region” hates America. Before pointing out what’s wrong with these ill-informed and distasteful comments, let me note that they are the mirror image of comments made by Muslim fanatics who accuse “the West” of hating Islam and Muslims.
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    Sep 18, 2012 2:04 AM GMT
    They're not. There are alas a lot of people who are cynically manipulating people for their own political power.

    This has everything to do with political power and almost nothing to do with religion.

    If you actually ask most Muslims what their values really are, you find that almost all of them have a great deal in common with us. Alas, they have been lied to and misled about the nature of US society and even the source of these videos.

    it's frighteningly easy to whip up a riot anywhere in the world believe me.
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    Sep 18, 2012 4:21 AM GMT
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    freedomisntfree saidAnd one may disagree with him, but to call Gingrich stupid is idiocy.

    Bold assertion.


    Thank you.
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    Sep 18, 2012 1:31 PM GMT
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    http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/09/17-10#.UFeeS385JD0

    "After NATO Strike Kills 8 Afghan Women, Pundits Still Wonder: Why Do They Hate Us?

    The protests and violence in Egypt, Libya and Yemen have caused a notable uptick in media discussions about, as Newsweek's cover puts it, "Muslim Rage."A Washington Post headline illustrates which lives are more valuable.

    Part of the corporate media's job is to make sure real political grievances are mostly kept out of the discussion. It's a lot easier to talk about angry mobs and their peculiar religion than it is to acknowledge that maybe some of the anger has little to do with religion at all.

    Take the news out of Afghanistan yesterday: A NATO airstrike killed eight women in the eastern province of Laghman who were out collecting firewood. This has happened before. And attacks that kill a lot of Afghans–whether accidental or not–tend to be covered the same way–quietly, and with a focus not on the killing but on the ramifications.

    So yesterday if you logged into CommonDreams, you may have seen this headline:

    NATO Airstrike in Afghanistan Kills 8 Women

    Now look for the same news in the New York Times today (9/17/12). It's there–but the headline is this:

    Karzai Denounces Coalition Over Airstrikes

    The Times gave a clear sense of what was important: "Mr. Karzai’s condemnation was likely to rankle some Western officials…" the paper's Matthew Rosenberg explained, who went on to explain that

    the confrontational tone of the statement was a sharp reminder of the acrimony that has often characterized relations between Mr. Karzai and his American benefactors.

    In the Washington Post, the NATO airstrikes made the front page–sort of. Readers saw this headline at the website:

    4 troops killed in southern Afghanistan insider attack

    As you might have already guessed, the killings of Afghan women are a secondary news event:

    Four U.S. troops were killed Sunday at a remote checkpoint in southern Afghanistan when a member of the Afghan security forces opened fire on them, military officials said. The attack brought to 51 the number of international troops shot dead by their Afghan partners this year. The insider attack came on the same day that NATO warplanes killed nine women gathering firewood in the mountains outside their village in an eastern province, according to local officials.

    One has to wonder whether, absent the deaths of U.S. troops, the airstrike would have made the news at all."
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    Sep 18, 2012 3:13 PM GMT
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    http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/09/17-10#.UFeeS385JD0

    "After NATO Strike Kills 8 Afghan Women, Pundits Still Wonder: Why Do They Hate Us?

    The protests and violence in Egypt, Libya and Yemen have caused a notable uptick in media discussions about, as Newsweek's cover puts it, "Muslim Rage."A Washington Post headline illustrates which lives are more valuable.

    Part of the corporate media's job is to make sure real political grievances are mostly kept out of the discussion. It's a lot easier to talk about angry mobs and their peculiar religion than it is to acknowledge that maybe some of the anger has little to do with religion at all.

    Take the news out of Afghanistan yesterday: A NATO airstrike killed eight women in the eastern province of Laghman who were out collecting firewood. This has happened before. And attacks that kill a lot of Afghans–whether accidental or not–tend to be covered the same way–quietly, and with a focus not on the killing but on the ramifications.

    So yesterday if you logged into CommonDreams, you may have seen this headline:

    NATO Airstrike in Afghanistan Kills 8 Women

    Now look for the same news in the New York Times today (9/17/12). It's there–but the headline is this:

    Karzai Denounces Coalition Over Airstrikes

    The Times gave a clear sense of what was important: "Mr. Karzai’s condemnation was likely to rankle some Western officials…" the paper's Matthew Rosenberg explained, who went on to explain that

    the confrontational tone of the statement was a sharp reminder of the acrimony that has often characterized relations between Mr. Karzai and his American benefactors.

    In the Washington Post, the NATO airstrikes made the front page–sort of. Readers saw this headline at the website:

    4 troops killed in southern Afghanistan insider attack

    As you might have already guessed, the killings of Afghan women are a secondary news event:

    Four U.S. troops were killed Sunday at a remote checkpoint in southern Afghanistan when a member of the Afghan security forces opened fire on them, military officials said. The attack brought to 51 the number of international troops shot dead by their Afghan partners this year. The insider attack came on the same day that NATO warplanes killed nine women gathering firewood in the mountains outside their village in an eastern province, according to local officials.

    One has to wonder whether, absent the deaths of U.S. troops, the airstrike would have made the news at all."


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    It just goes to show we're more alike than different. After all, average Americans signed on to the wars over what happened on 9/11, not because they wanted to wage religious wars. In answer to the OP, I think the trouble with monotheism is that it's a winner take all proposition, with the afterlife at stake. Maybe if Christians, Muslims and Jews could agree to be more polytheistic there would be room for more than one God. Just sayin.icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 18, 2012 4:41 PM GMT
    It's because you have that old volatile cocktail of poverty and religion mixed together whenever those two things come together you get people who are willing to do anything and everything for their "God"
    It only happenes to be mostly Muslim because that's who makes up alot of the third world right now
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    Sep 18, 2012 5:21 PM GMT
    It's strange to think that during medieval times, Muslim-dominated territories were more advanced and more tolerant of diversity than virtually all of Christian Europe.
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    Sep 18, 2012 5:22 PM GMT
    JackBlair69 saidI don't give a fuck if they are humiliated, or if their pride is injured. They assassinated a US ambassador.

    That's SERIOUS shit.

    A Vote for Obama is a Vote for the Muslim Brotherhood.
    That is stupid bullshiticon_mad.gif
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    Sep 18, 2012 8:16 PM GMT
    I would like to add "Mitt Romney" on my stupid list.
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    Sep 19, 2012 9:37 AM GMT
    our waging wars of aggression in two Arab countries gives the ideologues plenty of ammunition 2 rile their populace. while i support our troops, i cannot/will not support us being in either Iraq or Aghanistan. i think it would have been more politic 2 let the Arab states fight amongst themselves. it's not as though there's any love lost among them.
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    Sep 19, 2012 11:48 PM GMT
    Why is the Arab world so easily offended?

    jockfever: Perhaps a better question would be, Why are Muslims so easily offended?

    Followers of other religions are just as easily offended. I am offended by blasphemy and other expressions of anti-Judeo-Christian bigotry on RJ.

    The piety of peaceful Muslims is admirable, and their being offended is understandable. Their opposition, for example, to decadent Hollyweird movies corrupting their culture is understandable. Decadent Hollyweird movies corrupt our culture, in my opinion.

    The more important question is, Why do Muslims feel entitled to engage in violence when they are offended?

    The answer may be that in the pursuit of conquering the world for Allah, radical Muslims are entitled by their belief system to inflict any and all vicissitudes on their enemies, the infidels, including torture and death of women and children. There is no comparable double-standard in Bible-based religions.

    Under the radical Islamic belief system, the murder of an American ambassador and his bodyguards is no big deal when part of a holy war/jihad.

    The press reports that suspects have been rounded up in connection with the death of the Libyan ambassador.

    What is somewhat mysterious is how the murderers can be found guilty of anything in courts under the jurisdiction of the Muslim Brotherhood, which presumably has declared jihad against Israel and the U.S.



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    Sep 20, 2012 4:50 AM GMT
    This website is made by Muslims to help other muslims to get rid of the Islam & live a peace-ful life

    www.faithfreedom.org



    If u prove him wrong that Mohammad was not a tyrant,narcissist,murderer,rapist,Psycho then u would be awarded $50,000

    Try this website & know what actually is ISLAM read inner articles there
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    Sep 20, 2012 12:07 PM GMT
    Savages in sheets.