Obama taps Biden as his VP running mate.

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    Aug 23, 2008 12:11 PM GMT
    Obama has chosen Senator Joe Biden from Delaware as his VP running mate. What are your thoughts?
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    Aug 23, 2008 12:21 PM GMT
    Let the games begin!

    It's going to be a nasty presidential race. Both sides are going to do some things that will make me hang my head in shame. Whatever happens after the election, this country will need something to bring it together. We are so sharply divided and it just seems to be getting worse.
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    Aug 23, 2008 12:55 PM GMT
    Seems like a good choice.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Aug 23, 2008 12:56 PM GMT
    By and large, a prudent pick. I think he will add in a way to insure a seasoned (and balanced) approach. I feel better overall with the support of this ticket based on the Biden selection.

    Biden will insure that the BS of the Republicans will be met with an appropriate and challenging response.... and he will give depth, experience and the "quirk" that is characteristic of Joe Biden....LOL.
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    Aug 23, 2008 1:11 PM GMT
    I've always been impressed by Biden.
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    Aug 23, 2008 1:33 PM GMT
    Another geezer. Wonderful.

    Obama had me firmly in his corner, but now I'm not so sure. Change means out with the old and in with the new.
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    Aug 23, 2008 2:15 PM GMT
    Ehhh...

    Biden's resume "looks" good - Government knowledge and experience, an "insider", strong foreign policy work, comes from state in another part of the country... He definitely brings characteristics to the table that Obama lacks, at least in perception.

    However, Biden has run for President more times than almost anyone else - ever!. And has never caught on with the rest of the country. He does not come across as charismatic and can't bring him that many votes (Delaware is NOT that big). It's going to be hard for Obama to use a "change" or "I'm an outsider" strategy now that he has Biden, who's a Senate lifer. AND Biden's not much younger than McCain.

    With the Democratics being so weak on a National scale, I'm not sure that there were too many other choices he could have made. Hopefully, Biden can step up and look more like a "Partner" in the race instead of a "Shadow".

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    Aug 23, 2008 2:27 PM GMT
    wwanderlust saidChange means out with the old and in with the new.

    Yeah, just like the country did in 2000 ... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Aug 23, 2008 2:41 PM GMT
    wwanderlust said

    Obama had me firmly in his corner, but now I'm not so sure. Change means out with the old and in with the new.



    Well this "geezer" would be prudent to have there....

    Obama does stand to change many things from the past, but its clear we need some depth, some foreign policy expertise and yes, someone who knows how to navigate Washington..... I agree with Cas.. look at what happened in 2000 and the old Bush even had his Daddy and Cheney to pull strings.
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    Aug 23, 2008 3:08 PM GMT
    I'm all for change too. . . but "change" doesn't mean picking someone out of the blue, like Gov. Kaine. Nobody knows anything about him and he's even less experienced than Obama. The Republicans would've had a lot of fun with that one.

    As I said in another similar thread -- it made sense that Obama chose a Washington insider. If you're going to be in the White House, your team needs to know the territory. Biden is not the last "insider" who will be part of an Obama administration.

    I like Hillary Clinton, but the fact is, she alienates too many people. Her polling negatives are extremely high -- so high that she's near unelectable. She probably would've dragged him down.

    Also, as I said in the other thread, I can understand Obama's reluctance to spend even a minute hosing down Hillary's increasingly creepy spouse, who's egocentric enough (and these days, medicated enough) to think her ascendancy would be his third term.

    "Change" is typically a gradual process, especially when dealing with an unwieldly government bureaucracy with 300 million consumers (I prefer that term to "citizens," since so many are so disengaged). Change is all about discipline, picking your spots, and above all, not scaring people. Compared to Kaine, Warner, Clinton and the rest, I think Biden fits that description best.
  • rnch

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    Aug 23, 2008 3:14 PM GMT
    am i the only one who has noticed the gradual shift in obama ben laden's statements and view points? he has flip flopped on every important issue.

    so much for "change!"

    this man has NO morals, no convictions, nothing held sacred....other than his own self-promotion.

    he will say anything, do anything to get elected to a job that he does not have the experience or moral background to have.

    THIS independent registered, democratic leaning voter CANNOT and WILL NOT vote for this sham of a man. icon_sad.gif
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    Aug 23, 2008 3:53 PM GMT
    rnch said he will say anything, do anything to get elected to a job that he does not have the experience or moral background to have.


    That would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.

    You think McCain isn't a flip-flopping vote whore? What principles does he have? To paraphrase Joe Biden, every sentence out of McCain's mouth contains a noun, a verb, and "Vietnam POW". Like that has any bearing on being able to be President.

    This sort of indignation is just the usual cover for---uhhh, where are you from? The Deep South? Dare I say it?
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Aug 23, 2008 4:04 PM GMT
    I still think that had Obama chosen Hillary, the excitement today at the speech, and definitely at the convention, would have been electrifying...a ticket that could have been next to impossible to beat. As someone said earlier, Joe Biden has run for President more than anyone in the Senate, and he has never really ignited much excitement or support among the American people. That being said, I don't know that him being added to the ticket is going to really do that much. I think Hillary and Bill are probably loving the way this is playing out, assuring her a run in 2012 if Obama loses this election.
  • SkyMiles

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    Aug 23, 2008 4:15 PM GMT
    Biden's a solid choice. Granted ANYBODY is a step up from Cheney, a criminal of the highest order and one of the architects of the propaganda campaign that lead us into Iraq, expansion of executive powers and wholesale decimation of American civil and human rights.

    Obama will be the agent of change in government while Biden provides a foundation in government to work off of as well as tremendous foreign policy experience.
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    Aug 23, 2008 4:17 PM GMT
    It just cracks me up how some of you honestly act like Cheney is the ani-christ..too funny!icon_rolleyes.gif
  • SkyMiles

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    Aug 23, 2008 4:23 PM GMT
    Here's a good summation I found on electoral-vote.com --

    After months of speculation, Barack Obama has chosen his running mate: Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE). The NY Times, Washington Post, and LA Times all have stories. A text message was sent to Obama supporters at 3 A.M. reading: "Barack has chosen Senator Joe Biden to be our VP nominee. Watch the first Obama-Biden rally live at 3pm ET on www.barackobama.com Spread the word!" Note the fact that he told his supporters to watch him on the Internet. Broadcast TV? Not for the hip.

    Biden has an unusual biography as well as pros and cons. A brief rundown follows. He was born in Scranton, PA, to a working-class Irish Catholic family. They moved to Delaware whe he was 10. His father was a car salesman. He went to college in Delaware and then got a law degree from Syracuse University. Lawyers are drawn to politics like bees are to honey and at 27 was elected to the local county council. At 29 he ran for the Senate and won, despite being constitutionally ineligible. Fortunately, he hit 30 before being inaugurated so they let him him. He has been in the Senate ever since and is now in his sixth term and running for reelection this year.

    A few months after his election to the Senate, his wife and baby daughter were killed in a car accident and his two young sons were almost killed. He wanted to resign from the Senate to care for his boys but the Democrats convinced him to stay on. He decided to commute an hour and a half every day from his home near Wilmington, DE, to the Senate to maximize his time with them. Thirty-five years later, he is still doing it. In 1977, he married his current wife, Jill. He started an abortive run for President in 1987 but dropped out after he was caught plagiarizing part of a speech from a British politician, Neil Kinnock. In February 1988 he suffered a brain aneurysm but recovered fully.

    Biden is currently chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, a job he has held before. He has also chaired the Senate Judiciary committee.

    Like any politician, he has pros and cons. First the pros. Every serious observer of the Senate, on both sides of the aisle, readily admits that few, if any, senators know as much about foreign policy as Biden. He shores up a critical weakness in Obama's CV--lack of foreign affairs experience. When McCain attacks Obama for lack of experience, Biden is going to say: "John, Barack and I are a team and I've been in the Senate 14 years longer than you and I'm chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, a job you've never held." This alone is worth the price of admission. It makes it hard for the Republicans to attack the Democrats on foreign policy when the Democratic ticket has more experience than the Republican ticket (short of McCain picking Colin Powell as Veep).

    From an electoral point of view, Biden also has virtues. While Obama would carry Delaware even with Dick Cheney on the ticket, Biden's working-class roots in northern Appalachia are going to be a big plus during the campaign. He is going to campaign in Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia, Ohio, and North Carolina extensively. He will also appeal to ethnic Catholics in the rust belt. He certainly brings gravitas to the ticket. He is one of the most senior people in Washington and about as prepared to be President as one can be.

    He also has some cons. As mentioned above, he plagiarized part of a speech in 1988. The Republicans will hammer him on for being dishonest. He will apologize and say it was a long time ago. Then the Republicans have a tough decision to make. They can say: "There is no statute of limitations on people who are fundamentally dishonest so we can keep talking about this." But that runs the grave risk of the Democrats saying: "Fair enough. Let's also talk about McCain taking bribes from convicted felon Charles Keating also in the 1980s." Then the Republicans can't dismiss that by saying: "It was long ago." If both transgressions are big news, there is a chance people may see what McCain did as more serious than what Biden did.

    A second Biden problem is that he has a severe case of verbal diarrhea. He just can't shut up. That doesn't always add to his allure. On the other hand, having run for the Senate seven times, he knows the basics of campaigning and dealing with the media.

    A third liability is that he is old (65). It will be tough for Obama to hit McCain for being too old (71) when his own VP is almost as old. Age might have been a strong argument, but with Biden on the ticket, the Democrats can't use that.

    Finally, in 2016, Biden will be 73, probably too old to run for President himself so there might be a big primary battle.

    Other than plagiarizing one speech, Biden is clean as a hounds' tooth. His first wife was tragically killed, then he remarried. He has never been mentioned in any kind of sex scandal, financial scandal, or anything else. If there had been any dirt on him, it would have come out during his many campaigns.
  • groundcombat

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    Aug 23, 2008 4:25 PM GMT
    Biden?

    Weak. Just like I thought. He's all talk. Although I agree with a lot of what Biden ran on in the primaries, this decision on the Obama camp shows that they're scared that can't back up all this radical change they're been selling.
  • rnch

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    Aug 23, 2008 4:27 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]....Obama will be the agent of change in government while Biden provides a foundation in government to work off of as well as tremendous foreign policy experience.[/quote] where at? in orlando, FL, perhaps....at FANTASYLAND? icon_razz.gif
  • SkyMiles

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    Aug 23, 2008 4:31 PM GMT
    groundcombat saidBiden?

    Weak. Just like I thought. He's all talk. Although I agree with a lot of what Biden ran on in the primaries, this decision on the Obama camp shows that they're scared that can't back up all this radical change they're been selling.


    I admit, I'm relieved. I thought Obama was going to go with Bayh. Who would have your pick, groundcombat?
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    Aug 23, 2008 4:33 PM GMT
    rnch said[quote][cite]....Obama will be the agent of change in government while Biden provides a foundation in government to work off of as well as tremendous foreign policy experience.
    where at? in orlando, FL, perhaps....at FANTASYLAND? icon_razz.gif[/quote]

    Um, did you read that part about Biden being chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee? Just curious in case you missed that part. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Aug 23, 2008 4:36 PM GMT
    Awe, shucks. Dick Cheney is just a big ol drag queen doing a Cloris Leachman impersonation. In fact, his stage name is Clitoris Leachman.

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  • rnch

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    Aug 23, 2008 4:51 PM GMT
    [quote]...Um, did you read that part about Biden being chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee? Just curious in case you missed that part...[/quote] Um. biddy will be VICE president, NOT president, IF ELECTED...his influence on the "self self self" centerd obama will be little, if any....unless obama's presidency is ...terminated... early....
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    Aug 23, 2008 5:00 PM GMT
    rnch said[quote]...Um, did you read that part about Biden being chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee? Just curious in case you missed that part...
    Um. biddy will be VICE president, NOT president, IF ELECTED...his influence on the "self self self" centerd obama will be little, if any....unless obama's presidency is ...terminated... early....[/quote]

    Nice. Wooooo "...terminated... early...."

    Hello? Any Secret Service in the house?

    I have to wonder what's getting you republicans into such a lather that you have to threaten Obama's life repeatedly (including publicly on Fox News), murder liberal churchgoers, and the Democratic chairman of Arkansas. You guys make it pretty freakin' obvious who really cares about what America is supposed to stand for.
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    Aug 23, 2008 5:06 PM GMT
    Atlazeia saidSeems like a good choice.
    ditto.
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    Aug 23, 2008 5:53 PM GMT
    wwanderlust saidAnother geezer. Wonderful.

    Obama had me firmly in his corner, but now I'm not so sure. Change means out with the old and in with the new.


    I'm sorry, but have you seen Biden on Real Time with Bill Maher? He comes across as anything but old, or a geezer... As much as I love Obama, he needed someone to help balance out the ticket if he expects to win; and from that standpoint, I think Biden is an excellent choice.