Petition to prohibit cell phone chargers in vehicles

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    Sep 21, 2012 10:52 PM GMT
    Its already illegal in a few states to talk and text on cell phones while driving so this one might actually pass.
    http://signon.org/sign/remove-vehicle-cell-phone?source=c.url&r_by=4178922
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    Sep 23, 2012 3:23 PM GMT
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    Sep 23, 2012 3:41 PM GMT
    How does your petition address the issue of cars equipped from the factory with USB ports, for transferring various kinds of data? That's how I recharge my iPhone in the car, no separate charger required, you plug the phone directly into the console.

    Your petition would also result in some people being unable to talk on their cell phones at all, especially critical in a life-threatening emergency. That has nothing to do with the separate issue of texting or talking while the car is in motion. You might as well simply ban cell phones from being brought inside a car.
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    Sep 23, 2012 3:53 PM GMT
    ART_DECO saidHow does your petition address the issue of cars equipped from the factory with USB ports, for transferring various kinds of data? That's how I recharge my iPhone in the car, no separate charger required, you plug the phone directly into the console.

    Your petition would also result in some people being unable to talk on their cell phones at all, especially critical in a life-threatening emergency. That has nothing to do with the separate issue of texting or talking while the car is in motion. You might as well simply ban cell phones from being brought inside a car.


    I just thought it would be a quick fix. recalling all the old cell phones and reprograming all the cars and new cell phones to shut down the phone while
    the vehicle is in motion is a bit longer of a process.
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    Sep 23, 2012 3:56 PM GMT
    Where does it end? Yes, using cell phones while driving can be dangerous. But, then again, so is driving -- period. What's next -- making the radio so you can't change the channel while driving?
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    Sep 23, 2012 3:59 PM GMT
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    Sep 23, 2012 4:10 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidWhere does it end? Yes, using cell phones while driving can be dangerous. But, then again, so is driving -- period. What's next -- making the radio so you can't change the channel while driving?


    So is the driver turning their head to talk to a passenger. Should we ban passengers or force them to use a muzzle. How about one of the huge distractions …. small kids in the car?

    So you’re correct … where does it end?
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    Sep 23, 2012 4:17 PM GMT
    My car also has factory Bluetooth that integrates with our cell phones. I answer an incoming call by pressing a button on the steering wheel, same as when I operate the radio. The radio is muted if it's in operation, and I speak hands-free with the caller, just as if I'm speaking with a passenger, or using a speakerphone indoors. (The microphone is in the rear-view mirror) I hope conversations inside a car aren't going to be banned now, too.

    To make a call I again press one steering wheel button that I know by touch, and then say the name of the party I want, adding "cell" "home" or "work" after the name if there are several numbers.

    So I simply speak: "Call John Doe cell". If I forget to indicate which number, a voice asks me for the one I want. I can also speak the number: "Call number." [Voice responds: "Say number"] "9-5-4-5-5-5-1-2-3-4". My hands never leave the wheel, nor do my eyes leave the road. I think that's a reasonable solution to the use of cell phones for voice calls in the car.

    I can even voice dictate a text message, but confirming the text is correct would distract my eyes from the road. I think it will also speak an incoming text, but I've never tried that, I get so few. It can show the incoming text on a dashboard screen, but again the reading would be a distraction for me.
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    Sep 23, 2012 4:50 PM GMT
    Talking on a hand-held mobile (cell) phone while driving in the UK has been unlawful for some years now. That said, any activity that causes someone to 'drive without due care and attention' is also unlawful here.

    Where I think using a mobile phone tends to differ from other activities (e.g. pushing a switch or putting on your sunglasses) is that these activities tend to be fleeting, whereas holding and talking on a phone is a sustained activity and is therefore particularly distracting.

    On an evidential note, the offence is extremely easy to prove, as the driver visibly has the phone pressed to his/her ear and the phone's log (or the billing records) give the police the exact time and duration of the call (or text). If they catch you using your phone while driving, denying it is pretty futile.
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    Sep 23, 2012 4:53 PM GMT
    The reality of the situation is that cell phone use while driving is a massive addiction and problem because it's obviously yet another distraction and a major danger to everybody. I'm just as guilty as anybody. That said, I don't see it as something that is going to go away with laws prohibiting it. People just get sneakier about doing it, which probably even makes it MORE dangerous. Needless to say, technology has created a monster.
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    Sep 23, 2012 5:00 PM GMT
    What's wrong with charging your phone in the car?
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    Sep 23, 2012 5:04 PM GMT
    Caslon21000 saidWhat's wrong with charging your phone in the car?


    I suppose the logic is that, if your phone is in the car and charging, you may be tempted to answer it or read a text, should the phone go off. I think that is going too far. By all means make the use hand-held phones illegal while driving, but charging your phone or using a hands-free device should remain lawful.
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    Sep 23, 2012 5:11 PM GMT
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    Caslon21000 saidWhat's wrong with charging your phone in the car?


    I suppose the logic is that, if your phone is in the car and charging, you may be tempted to answer it or read a text, should the phone go off. I think that is going too far. By all means make the use hand-held phones illegal while driving, but charging your phone or using a hands-free device should remain lawful.
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    Sep 23, 2012 5:13 PM GMT
    Caslon21000 said
    Ex_Mil8 said
    Caslon21000 saidWhat's wrong with charging your phone in the car?


    I suppose the logic is that, if your phone is in the car and charging, you may be tempted to answer it or read a text, should the phone go off. I think that is going too far. By all means make the use hand-held phones illegal while driving, but charging your phone or using a hands-free device should remain lawful.

    Well then why not ban cell phones from being in the car altogether. Banning the charger is silly.

    Personally, I am opposed to all phone use in a car. But I guess talking on a hands-free phone us no different than a conversation in a car.
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    Sep 23, 2012 5:18 PM GMT
    Caslon21000 said
    Well then why not ban cell phones from being in the car altogether. Banning the charger is silly.

    Personally, I am opposed to all phone use in a car. But I guess talking on a hands-free phone us no different than a conversation in a car.


    Presumably the proposed banning of chargers from cars is in addition to banning the phones themselves. Otherwise, it makes no sense, at all.
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    Sep 23, 2012 5:21 PM GMT
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    Caslon21000 said
    Well then why not ban cell phones from being in the car altogether. Banning the charger is silly.

    Personally, I am opposed to all phone use in a car. But I guess talking on a hands-free phone us no different than a conversation in a car.


    Presumably the proposed banning of chargers from cars is in addition to banning the phones themselves. Otherwise, it makes no sense, at all.

    Bingo! It makes no sense at all. Just ban hand-held cell phone use. Like they've done with earphones.
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    Sep 23, 2012 5:23 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said[Because of the phone use log] If they catch you using your phone while driving, denying it is pretty futile.

    Yes, if you're driving solo. But what if you have passengers, who could have been using your phone? Is it illegal for them, as well? This technology has strained the existing laws, which weren't devised for these new situations, at least in the US with its 50 different sets of State traffic laws.

    One thing I see a lot in the US is people dialing their phones or texting at traffic lights, when they think it's OK because they're stopped for a moment. But then the light turns green and being distracted they don't notice, so they sit there motionless while other vehicles are honking their horns for them to move along.
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    Sep 23, 2012 5:34 PM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    Yes, if you're driving solo. But what if you have passengers, who could have been using your phone? Is it illegal for them, as well? This technology has strained the existing laws, which weren't devised for these new situations, at least in the US with its 50 different sets of State traffic laws.

    One thing I see a lot in the US is people using their phones at traffic lights, when they think it's OK because they're stopped for a moment. But then the light turns green and being distracted they don't notice, so they sit there motionless while other vehicles are honking their horns at them to move along.


    The most common scenario in the UK is that the driver is seen by the police with the phone pressed to his/her ear. The driver is stopped and when asked by the police if they were using their phone, they deny it. (e.g. "Oh, I was just scratching my ear with my phone blah blah"). When asked to produce the phone, they are confronted with the evidence of the call and then they usually admit it. In other words, the technical evidence is used to corroborate what the officer has already seen.
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    Sep 23, 2012 5:36 PM GMT
    i have several iphone battery cases that extend the battery for 10+ hours.

    so this is not a thought out ban .

    My car has factory Bluetooth. Which works well and has voice dialing, and caller id.

    Going forward , you could disable texting from the phone within a car if it hooked up to Bluetooth but this is just a nanny state fix.

    It should be known that if you text and drive its a crime, enforcement is the key not silly bans on chargers.
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    Sep 23, 2012 8:08 PM GMT
    musclmed saidi have several iphone battery cases that extend the battery for 10+ hours.

    so this is not a thought out ban .

    My car has factory Bluetooth. Which works well and has voice dialing, and caller id.

    Going forward , you could disable texting from the phone within a car if it hooked up to Bluetooth but this is just a nanny state fix.

    It should be known that if you text and drive its a crime, enforcement is the key not silly bans on chargers.


    you just couldn't keep your mouth shut could you...people really didn't need to know about extra battery packs. who cares if people need to remember to turn off their phones before driving long distances, theres onstar and I'm sure life alert has come up with a portable device by now for people with health concerns, I'm comandeering your vehicle sir.
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    Sep 23, 2012 8:51 PM GMT
    Also don't know why banning chargers would make a difference. In Ontario only hands-free devices are allowed since a couple of years ago though I still see people around town with their phone to their ear so I suppose they're doing it around Toronto as well on the freeways. Last night I'm driving into Detroit on I94 in the 2nd to left lane doing about 75 with traffic and this young girl driving a newish Focus comes up beside me, cell phone held high in her right hand chatting away (on speaker phone I guess) doing maybe 76-77 in her lane but side to side, then on the curves at Roseville she's over the line to the left,, then further up sliding into my lane... She's an accident waiting to happen hopefully not with anyone else but her. No sympathies from me if she or anyone else eventually did. My neighbors across the street got rear ended by some kid on I75 south a few months back. Luckily they weren't hurt but there was Enough damage that their van was a write-off. The cops found the cell phone on the floor of his car and he denied he was using it but they checked and he had been... He had to call his mom on the scene and from what the neighbors said hearing that conversation he was up shit creek with her as well.
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    Sep 23, 2012 9:19 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
    Caslon21000 saidWhat's wrong with charging your phone in the car?


    I suppose the logic is that, if your phone is in the car and charging, you may be tempted to answer it or read a text, should the phone go off. I think that is going too far. By all means make the use hand-held phones illegal while driving, but charging your phone or using a hands-free device should remain lawful.


    Thats is the logic, plus its like the v word in Harry Potter that you don't mention. And since SOMEBODY already mentioned battery packs I really don't think its going too far.
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    Sep 23, 2012 9:28 PM GMT
    http://signon.org/sign/recall-all-cell-phones

    Thanks for helping me think of some phrasing, Heres the one for the phone recall and vehicle programing, incase y'all didn't make one already. Anybody got the ambulance alert petition started yet?
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    Sep 23, 2012 9:33 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidIn other words, the technical evidence is used to corroborate what the officer has already seen.

    Which can be applied to other beneficial ends. When my partner had his stroke in May the doctor in the ER asked me when it had hit him. I was kinda flustered from the experience and was fumbling to remember the time as best I could, since the doctor said it was crucial to the treatment approach they took.

    But then I remembered I had made a 911 call for the ambulance on my cell phone, at not more than 5 minutes after he had collapsed on the floor, since I had concluded within moments it was a probable stroke or TIA. I merely had to check my recent calls and see the time stamp for the placement of the 911 call.

    The doctor had his time positively confirmed within just a couple minute's accuracy; in fact, I showed him my iPhone. And he told me that was better than he could have expected, since people's anecdotal recollection of time tends to become distorted in an emergency, as I also knew myself from my Army MP experiences. For one thing we often don't think to look at our watches when a crisis is unfolding before us, and must try to reconstruct the timelines afterwards.

    BTW, my husband's doing wonderfully, you would never guess he had a full stroke, his body & speech are back to fully normal (if you can overlook his Boston Italian accent). He's a great guy, and technology's a tremendous thing when used properly, and I intend to fully enjoy them both. icon_biggrin.gif