U.S. Drought Growth May Persist - 2012-2013-2014-2015

  • metta

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    Sep 22, 2012 6:39 AM GMT
    U.S. Drought Growth May Persist Through Early Winter, Forecast Predicts

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/21/us-drought-growth-2012-winter_n_1903478.html
  • metta

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    Jan 04, 2014 7:15 PM GMT
    Extraordinary Jet Stream Track to Alaska Led to Record Dryness in California in 2013


    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/01/03/1266993/-Extraordinary-Jet-Stream-Track-to-Alaska-Leads-to-Record-Dryness-in-California-in-2013
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 04, 2014 8:05 PM GMT
    Climate change has resulted in more extreme weather conditions across the board.icon_sad.gif

    I wish we could pray it away, or do a rain dance, but really we have to switch to renewable energy and clean up the environment, before it gets worse.
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    Jan 04, 2014 9:48 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidClimate change has resulted in more extreme weather conditions across the board.icon_sad.gif

    I wish we could pray it away, or do a rain dance, but really we have to switch to renewable energy and clean up the environment, before it gets worse.


    I say buy one of these because every time you want to take it out, it will rain.

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    HottJoe saidClimate change has resulted in more extreme weather conditions across the board.icon_sad.gif

    I wish we could pray it away, or do a rain dance, but really we have to switch to renewable energy and clean up the environment, before it gets worse.


    To many Climate Change is a religion of a false belief system; pray all you wish.
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    Jan 05, 2014 6:07 AM GMT
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  • PolitiMAC

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    Jan 05, 2014 7:29 AM GMT
    Yeah, Australia has our alarmists too. My personal favourite is Tim Flannery.

    He said that "even the rain that falls will no longer fill our dams", a few years later, almost every south-eastern dam has overflowed and there are no dams that have alarmingly low water levels.

    Oh! But you see, that never happened, if you believe the Lefties. You see, what he MEANT to say was that "Australia will see more extreme weather events like this in the future" (talking about a severe flooding).

    You see, there will ALWAYS be the idiots who continue to peddle the lie that Earth is going to either dry or drown to death (take your pick at whatever convenient time it is to change your mind icon_cool.gif).

    Bjorn Lomborg has excellent views on the whole thing, so I would suggest listening to his analyses.

    The warming could actually be beneficial to many people as crops and vegetation grows better in warmer climes.

    You see? They never talk about the WHOLE picture. They're just wrong almost all the time icon_razz.gif
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 05, 2014 5:19 PM GMT
    PolitiNerd saidYeah, Australia has our alarmists too. My personal favourite is Tim Flannery.

    He said that "even the rain that falls will no longer fill our dams", a few years later, almost every south-eastern dam has overflowed and there are no dams that have alarmingly low water levels.

    Oh! But you see, that never happened, if you believe the Lefties. You see, what he MEANT to say was that "Australia will see more extreme weather events like this in the future" (talking about a severe flooding).

    You see, there will ALWAYS be the idiots who continue to peddle the lie that Earth is going to either dry or drown to death (take your pick at whatever convenient time it is to change your mind icon_cool.gif).

    Bjorn Lomborg has excellent views on the whole thing, so I would suggest listening to his analyses.

    The warming could actually be beneficial to many people as crops and vegetation grows better in warmer climes.

    You see? They never talk about the WHOLE picture. They're just wrong almost all the time icon_razz.gif

    Sure, you can cherry pick predictions that haven't come true. Even though trends can be studied, extreme weather across the spectrum will always be unpredictable. Water is a finite recourse, and if there's too much in one spot then there's too little in another spot. But that doesn't mean we don't have a crisis brewing. Your anecdotes don't change the facts on the ground, or the measurable pollution in the air. Scientists have spent 30 years constructing climate change models and honing their techniques and analysis of our decaying environment, and their data is alarming, but they are not alarmists. You're actually the conspiracy theorist if you're going to believe the unscientific fringe movement, and joining the ranks of science deniers. You're no better than the people who said the earth was flat.

    I think it's also telling that you simultaneously deny the science while saying that global warming will be beneficial to plants and humans. Which countries and rainforests are benefiting from it exactly??? The answer is none. And just try to find a fishery on the planet that says these are good times. If one exists, then they are one in a million. In fact, marine life is so contaminated by manmade pollution that regulatory boards in most countries have to lower their regulatory standards.
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 05, 2014 5:27 PM GMT
    Bjorn Lomberg's theories are supported by economists, not environmentalists. Big difference. The economy is manmade, and it's a ponzi scheme. Nature actually dictates the boundaries in which we live.
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 05, 2014 7:09 PM GMT
    The world's scientific community has demonstrated that climate change is real and manmade. I can't help it if the Koch Brothers, et al, have used their oil wealth to engage in a veritable "earth is flat" smear campaign against scientists. Any person or media outlet who denies climate change are ignoring science, and favoring economists and their ponzi schemes.
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    Jan 05, 2014 7:15 PM GMT
    metta8 said1512469_10151967871657917_595458413_n.jp
    The dot denoting Winnipeg is on the wrong spot on that map. Winnipeg is located in southern Manitoba not in north central Manitoba. However that doesn't change the true fact that Winnipeg is an extremely cold place in the winter similar to Ottawa, Moscow, Ulan Bator, and Pyongyang.
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    Jan 05, 2014 7:27 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidThe world's scientific community has demonstrated that climate change is real and manmade. I can't help it if the Koch Brothers, et al, have used their oil wealth to engage in a veritable "earth is flat" smear campaign against scientists. Any person or media outlet who denies climate change are ignoring science, and favoring economists and their ponzi schemes.


    http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/what-catastrophe_773268.html#
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 05, 2014 7:56 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe saidThe world's scientific community has demonstrated that climate change is real and manmade. I can't help it if the Koch Brothers, et al, have used their oil wealth to engage in a veritable "earth is flat" smear campaign against scientists. Any person or media outlet who denies climate change are ignoring science, and favoring economists and their ponzi schemes.


    http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/what-catastrophe_773268.html#

    That was a puff piece with no science in it. He's talking about the weather, while making predictions based on anecdotes of the past. This sounds like something an oil giant would write in the toxic filth now found in human blood. DTD, led, mercury, and hundreds of unstudied chemicals not on the face of the earth until this last century. The trash we've made is here with us forever... We can't turn back in time. However, all around us, the wildlife is reacting. The planet is one body, and the earth is more than the sum of it's parts.

    Climate change is misnamed. The weather is a symptom of the cancers that cause it, and it's humans pollution. Greenhouse gas is not benign, and it's increasing, and being absorbed by the oceans. The ecosystem is in peril, and the rest of the animals on earth are, without debate, adapting or becoming endangered.
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    Jan 05, 2014 8:06 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe saidThe world's scientific community has demonstrated that climate change is real and manmade. I can't help it if the Koch Brothers, et al, have used their oil wealth to engage in a veritable "earth is flat" smear campaign against scientists. Any person or media outlet who denies climate change are ignoring science, and favoring economists and their ponzi schemes.


    http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/what-catastrophe_773268.html#

    That was a puff piece with no science in it. He's talking about the weather, while making predictions based on anecdotes of the past. This sounds like something an oil giant would write in the toxic filth now found in human blood. DTD, led, mercury, and hundreds of unstudied chemicals not on the face of the earth until this last century. The trash we've made is here with us forever... We can't turn back in time. However, all around us, the wildlife is reacting. The planet is one body, and the earth is more than the sum of it's parts.

    Climate change is misnamed. The weather is a symptom of the cancers that cause it, and it's humans pollution. Greenhouse gas is not benign, and it's increasing, and being absorbed by the oceans. The ecosystem is in peril, and the rest of the animals on earth are, without debate, adapting or becoming endangered.


    tl/dr, but:

    You took entirely too long to get back here unless you were having a meltdown or were in a state of panic! Do not let that happen again.
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 05, 2014 8:11 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe saidThe world's scientific community has demonstrated that climate change is real and manmade. I can't help it if the Koch Brothers, et al, have used their oil wealth to engage in a veritable "earth is flat" smear campaign against scientists. Any person or media outlet who denies climate change are ignoring science, and favoring economists and their ponzi schemes.


    http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/what-catastrophe_773268.html#

    That was a puff piece with no science in it. He's talking about the weather, while making predictions based on anecdotes of the past. This sounds like something an oil giant would write in the toxic filth now found in human blood. DTD, led, mercury, and hundreds of unstudied chemicals not on the face of the earth until this last century. The trash we've made is here with us forever... We can't turn back in time. However, all around us, the wildlife is reacting. The planet is one body, and the earth is more than the sum of it's parts.

    Climate change is misnamed. The weather is a symptom of the cancers that cause it, and it's humans pollution. Greenhouse gas is not benign, and it's increasing, and being absorbed by the oceans. The ecosystem is in peril, and the rest of the animals on earth are, without debate, adapting or becoming endangered.


    tl/dr, but:

    You took entirely too long to get back here unless you were having a meltdown or were in a state of panic! Do not let that happen again.

    Apparently you didn't read the article you posted either.
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    Jan 05, 2014 8:21 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe saidThe world's scientific community has demonstrated that climate change is real and manmade. I can't help it if the Koch Brothers, et al, have used their oil wealth to engage in a veritable "earth is flat" smear campaign against scientists. Any person or media outlet who denies climate change are ignoring science, and favoring economists and their ponzi schemes.


    http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/what-catastrophe_773268.html#

    That was a puff piece with no science in it. He's talking about the weather, while making predictions based on anecdotes of the past. This sounds like something an oil giant would write in the toxic filth now found in human blood. DTD, led, mercury, and hundreds of unstudied chemicals not on the face of the earth until this last century. The trash we've made is here with us forever... We can't turn back in time. However, all around us, the wildlife is reacting. The planet is one body, and the earth is more than the sum of it's parts.

    Climate change is misnamed. The weather is a symptom of the cancers that cause it, and it's humans pollution. Greenhouse gas is not benign, and it's increasing, and being absorbed by the oceans. The ecosystem is in peril, and the rest of the animals on earth are, without debate, adapting or becoming endangered.


    tl/dr, but:

    You took entirely too long to get back here unless you were having a meltdown or were in a state of panic! Do not let that happen again.

    Apparently you didn't read the article you posted either.


    Somewhat, but I'm not much interested. Climate has been changing for the last 4.7 billion years so no reason to expect it to stop now just because of a few left wing alarmists.

    Much more interested in getting to this auction and snagging this:

    http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0114-174305&utm_source=emv&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=FL0114-S177

    Warm things up a little around here!
  • PIccadilly

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    Jan 05, 2014 8:37 PM GMT
    PolitiNerd saidYeah, Australia has our alarmists too. My personal favourite is Tim Flannery.

    He said that "even the rain that falls will no longer fill our dams", a few years later, almost every south-eastern dam has overflowed and there are no dams that have alarmingly low water levels.

    Oh! But you see, that never happened, if you believe the Lefties. You see, what he MEANT to say was that "Australia will see more extreme weather events like this in the future" (talking about a severe flooding).

    You see, there will ALWAYS be the idiots who continue to peddle the lie that Earth is going to either dry or drown to death (take your pick at whatever convenient time it is to change your mind icon_cool.gif).

    Bjorn Lomborg has excellent views on the whole thing, so I would suggest listening to his analyses.

    The warming could actually be beneficial to many people as crops and vegetation grows better in warmer climes.

    You see? They never talk about the WHOLE picture. They're just wrong almost all the time


    There's so much crazy going on here, I don't know where to start...

    1) For what it's worth, Australia is currently in a heat wave and drought:
    http://www.producer.com/daily/australia-swelters-after-record-hot-2013-farmers-slaughter-cattle-bushfire-warning/

    2) Your claim about Flannery is bullshit:
    http://indifferencegivesyouafright.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/tim-flannery-did-not-say-australias-dams-would-never-fill-again/
    And even if he did mean that, he meant a generation later, not "a few years later".

    3) It is possible for a climate to be dryer while experiencing more frequent floods. You don't have to take your head out of your ass that much to figure out how.

    4) The warming would be beneficial because crops will grow better. Who cares?? Hunger affects the people who live in the warmest climates in this world. The lack of warmth isn't the problem, the lack of water is! Which will only get worse with climate change.

    5) They talk about the whole picture, but you only see your backyard, which is why you think they're wrong.
  • PIccadilly

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    Jan 05, 2014 8:51 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidJoe, please provide sources from reputable news organizations to support the "facts" that you post.

    Again, relaxing the definition of "reputable" just for you, those organizations would be: ABC, CBS, NBC/MSNBC, CNN, The New York Times, The Washington Post, Los Angeles Times

    Some examples of non-reputable sources: A video made by a college student, Rolling Stone magazine, an opinion piece in the Huffington Post


    This is comical, someone who thinks he'll get a science update from the news... journalists who never took a 101 class on climatology.

    How about you refer to some of these publications:
    Climatic Change http://link.springer.com/journal/10584
    American Journal of Climate Change http://www.scirp.org/journal/ajcc/
    Atmospheric Environment http://www.journals.elsevier.com/atmospheric-environment/
    Nature Climate Change http://www.nature.com/nclimate/index.html
    Journal of Earth Sciences and Climate Change http://www.omicsonline.org/earth-science-climatic-change.php

    By the way, it's way more difficult to publish anything in those journals than in the list you provided.

    You can also read the latest IPCC report which collects information from the actual reputable sources on the matter:
    http://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/wg1/#.Usm54LQ0-Kw
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    Jan 05, 2014 8:57 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidSomewhat, but I'm not much interested. Climate has been changing for the last 4.7 billion years so no reason to expect it to stop now just because of a few left wing alarmists.


    Climate has been changing in the past because of astronomical factors (solar intensity, the earth's inclination and distance from the sun). Those changes occur over the span of thousands of years, not over the past 40.
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    Thankfully I live on a peninsula in a state surrounded by lakes that are full of water. So much so that I run my water tap/faucet at night just for white nose.... Bless America(Michigan)icon_biggrin.gif
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    freedomisntfree saidSomewhat, but I'm not much interested. Climate has been changing for the last 4.7 billion years so no reason to expect it to stop now just because of a few left wing alarmists.


    Climate has been changing in the past because of astronomical factors (solar intensity, the earth's inclination and distance from the sun). Those changes occur over the span of thousands of years, not over the past 40.


    Kewl

    and getting cooler
  • PolitiMAC

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    Jan 06, 2014 1:51 AM GMT
    Piccadilly said
    PolitiNerd saidYeah, Australia has our alarmists too. My personal favourite is Tim Flannery.

    He said that "even the rain that falls will no longer fill our dams", a few years later, almost every south-eastern dam has overflowed and there are no dams that have alarmingly low water levels.

    Oh! But you see, that never happened, if you believe the Lefties. You see, what he MEANT to say was that "Australia will see more extreme weather events like this in the future" (talking about a severe flooding).

    You see, there will ALWAYS be the idiots who continue to peddle the lie that Earth is going to either dry or drown to death (take your pick at whatever convenient time it is to change your mind icon_cool.gif).

    Bjorn Lomborg has excellent views on the whole thing, so I would suggest listening to his analyses.

    The warming could actually be beneficial to many people as crops and vegetation grows better in warmer climes.

    You see? They never talk about the WHOLE picture. They're just wrong almost all the time


    There's so much crazy going on here, I don't know where to start...

    1) For what it's worth, Australia is currently in a heat wave and drought:
    http://www.producer.com/daily/australia-swelters-after-record-hot-2013-farmers-slaughter-cattle-bushfire-warning/

    2) Your claim about Flannery is bullshit:
    http://indifferencegivesyouafright.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/tim-flannery-did-not-say-australias-dams-would-never-fill-again/
    And even if he did mean that, he meant a generation later, not "a few years later".

    3) It is possible for a climate to be dryer while experiencing more frequent floods. You don't have to take your head out of your ass that much to figure out how.

    4) The warming would be beneficial because crops will grow better. Who cares?? Hunger affects the people who live in the warmest climates in this world. The lack of warmth isn't the problem, the lack of water is! Which will only get worse with climate change.

    5) They talk about the whole picture, but you only see your backyard, which is why you think they're wrong.


    Well, if you listened to all news, you'd know that Queensland is experiencing a heat wave, NOT the entire country and actually, we're not experiencing drought except for the most arid areas of the country, and that's called a natural phenomenon, because it's ARID.

    My words on Flannery are not bullshit. Here are a few articles that highlight my point:

    1. http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/flannery_should_explain_past_dud_predictions_before_whipping_up_fresh_scare/

    2. http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/heaviest_rain_in_a_century_in_the_last_place_in_australia_where_warmists_pr/

    So perhaps it's not all my own conspiracy?

    Rain levels have not fallen at all on a statistically significant scale at all, and in many areas of the world, it's gone UP! You have evidence to suggest that it has gone down. Not even the Left wing media has even suggested that rain levels are falling, because they know it HASN'T. Food is going up, and that is FAR more important to people in places like Africa and Asia, where people starve to death. No statistically significant temperature rises have been observed.

    As you can probably decide not to see, I don't just look at my own backyard. That's what people like Flannery do, saying that a few bushfires equate to GLOBAL warming. Yeah, even though it's a LOCAL phenomenon, it means GLOBAL warming.

    If it really was GLOBAL warming, then we'd be seeing GLOBAL WARMING. Which we're not.

    Oh, but you see, the Left have changed the words to 'Climate Change' so it doesn't sound as stupidly unfounded, but we all know that you still all mean global warming. I don't hear any of you commenting on how Antarctica has more ice than it did a century ago and has frozen a ship within its ice fields.

    Or is that not convenient to you?
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    Jan 06, 2014 2:46 AM GMT
    Really, you'd do better to talk about things you actually know something about, like, um----well, I can't think of any.
  • PIccadilly

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    Jan 06, 2014 4:11 AM GMT
    PolitiNerd saidWell, if you listened to all news, you'd know that Queensland is experiencing a heat wave, NOT the entire country and actually, we're not experiencing drought except for the most arid areas of the country, and that's called a natural phenomenon, because it's ARID.

    My words on Flannery are not bullshit. Here are a few articles that highlight my point:

    1. http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/flannery_should_explain_past_dud_predictions_before_whipping_up_fresh_scare/

    2. http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/heaviest_rain_in_a_century_in_the_last_place_in_australia_where_warmists_pr/

    So perhaps it's not all my own conspiracy?

    Rain levels have not fallen at all on a statistically significant scale at all, and in many areas of the world, it's gone UP! You have evidence to suggest that it has gone down. Not even the Left wing media has even suggested that rain levels are falling, because they know it HASN'T. Food is going up, and that is FAR more important to people in places like Africa and Asia, where people starve to death. No statistically significant temperature rises have been observed.

    As you can probably decide not to see, I don't just look at my own backyard. That's what people like Flannery do, saying that a few bushfires equate to GLOBAL warming. Yeah, even though it's a LOCAL phenomenon, it means GLOBAL warming.

    If it really was GLOBAL warming, then we'd be seeing GLOBAL WARMING. Which we're not.

    Oh, but you see, the Left have changed the words to 'Climate Change' so it doesn't sound as stupidly unfounded, but we all know that you still all mean global warming. I don't hear any of you commenting on how Antarctica has more ice than it did a century ago and has frozen a ship within its ice fields.

    Or is that not convenient to you?


    Precipitation hasn't fallen? Well, according to this map, precipitation patterns surely have changed. Precipitation has decreased in the most vulnerable places: Africa, eastern Asia, southeastern Australia, southern Europe. And before you point out the places where precipitation has increased, know that the frequency and intensity of precipitation events is as important as the data itself, so an increase in precipitation isn't necessarily a good thing.

    WGI_AR5_FigSPM-2.jpg

    Temperatures haven't increased? Well, according to this map, the only place in the world where that's true is the northern Atlantic. The + signs on the map are the locations where the change is statistically significant to the 10% significant level. So pretty much everywhere.

    WGI_AR5_FigSPM-1.jpg

    You can read more about these lovely maps here: http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/uploads/WGI_AR5_SPM_brochure.pdf

    And by the way, "bushfires" (it's wildfires) are a "local" phenomenon in Australia, Russia, Europe, South America, central Africa, western US and Canada. It don't have information about all those areas but the number of wildfires has increased recently in the western US due to climate change: http://www.nwf.org/pdf/Global-Warming/NWF_WildFiresFinal.pdf

    The reason why scientists (not the "left"), changed the wording to climate change is because it goes far beyond global warming... to precipitation change, the wind field, sea-level rise, natural disasters, land cover change, and so fort.

    No one talks about Antarctica because it's irrelevant. No one lives there. And whatever happens there doesn't compensate for what is happening right now everywhere else in the world.
  • PolitiMAC

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    Jan 06, 2014 4:49 AM GMT
    Of course the IPCC is going to say that. They have always said that we're all going to heat up to the point of death. it hasn't happened, and it is not forecast to happen at all if you actually get the data that is representative of reality. The IPCC, if we're going to use them have actually refuted the link between things like severe weather events;

    "There’s simply no connection between droughts, hurricanes, thunderstorms, flash floods, tornadoes and “climate change”.

    So automatically, using the IPCC is shaky grounds as it has gone from the position of climate change doing all sorts of things like cyclones and bushfires, to completely about-facing.

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/ipcc_snaps_the_link_between_wild_weather_and_global_warming/

    That article speaks of that more extensively than I just did.

    The inconsistency between observed and simulated global warming is even more striking for temperature trends computed over the past fifteen years (1998–2012).

    A peer reviewed paper from Nature Climate Change was released last year talking about how temperature forecasts have been wrong, yet again, showing that all these degrees of temperature rises aren't actually happening.

    "Recent observed global warming is significantly less than that simulated by climate models. This difference might be explained by some combination of errors in external forcing, model response and internal climate variability.
    ...For this period, the observed trend of 0.05 ± 0.08 °C per decade is more than four times smaller than the average simulated trend of 0.21 ± 0.03 °C per decade… It is worth noting that the observed trend over this period — not significantly different from zero — suggests a temporary ‘hiatus’ in global warming.


    I can go on if you want, but seriously, this almost religious dogma of global warming is simply riddled with mistakes, false claims, incorrect forecasts and a lot more, yet you still have the gall to continuously suggest that I'm some idiot who has no facts, even after your 'facts' are continuously being disproved with every passing month.