Silver lake voted # 1 Hipster Neighborhood of USA by Forbes

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    Sep 22, 2012 10:08 AM GMT
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    Forbest magazine recently came out with a ranking of the most "hipster" neighborhoods in the USA. I live in the Silver lake area of LA and it used to be a nice area.

    About 10 years ago all these annoying "hipsters" with their Urban Outfitters clothing, trust funds and Elvis Costello wannabe style started moving here.

    It used to be a city full of artists, struggling hollywood workers, and it was known as the "Gay ghetto" because mostly blue collar type gay men lived here (like me).

    There are 3 gay Leather bars that I go to: The Eagle, Faultline, and the Bullet.

    They used to be filled with big hairy muscular, masculine butch guys. You would meet lots of USMC, Navy, Firefighters and Cops, Construction workers are just regular guys here. It was great for those into leather and not into the whole West Hollywood scene.

    Now, when you walk into any of these bars you see yuppy West Hollywood transplants everywhere. They have been raising rents, bringing their bad attitude and have transformed Silverlake into a "suburban style" area.

    The worst part about it all is the annoying "heterosexual hipsters" hang out at the gay bars because they think its cool. Silver lake now probably has more straight people than gay people, The whole situation is getting really bad...

    It seems as if every quaint arts district of any big city, or gay area has its charm but then loses it once the annoying hipsters start to move in.

    I love Silver lake, but its just a shame what the hipsters have done to this place.

    My friends in NYC, SF and Chicago say they are all moving into the "Gay areas" and turning them into heterosexual suburbia. Its awful! icon_sad.gif



    Do you any of you guys hate hipsters, too?

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    Sep 22, 2012 3:45 PM GMT
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    Sep 22, 2012 3:47 PM GMT
    Hipsters? They're so five years ago. Totally over them.
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    Sep 22, 2012 4:01 PM GMT
    So, "urban" is leather bars and exclusionist gay neighborhoods?

    Your antiquated view of urban areas is as antiquated as your view of "hipsters." For one, I can assure you that any true "hipster" doesn't shop at Urban Outfitters. You're talking about YOUNG PEOPLE.
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    Sep 22, 2012 4:32 PM GMT
    Gay neighborhoods often go through a 3-phase evolution. First they're straight communities in decline: Key West, South Beach, Wilton Manors, for example. Low prices attract gays who see fixer-upper opportunities, and the area location may have other attractions for gays, for instance an existing arts colony.

    In the second phase the community is vastly improved in appearance due to gay money & esthetics, and the population has become heavily gay, a nice place to live. That's where Wilton Manors is right now, a trailer park dump 20 years ago with barred & boarded storefronts, but today increasingly fashionable & trendy, with much new construction.

    In the third phase the attractiveness largely created by gays brings the straights back in, as residents and property investors. Prices begin to rise, the gay charm declines, and middle-income gays are priced out. That's where South Beach has been for several years now, and where Key West is currently headed. And those of us who live in Wilton Manors know that will eventually be its fate, too, while gays will have found some new place to transform.
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    Sep 22, 2012 4:40 PM GMT
    Now they're moving to Austin by the truckload....
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    Sep 22, 2012 4:49 PM GMT
    bighairymuscles said I love Silver lake, but its just a shame what the hipsters have done to this place.
    Do you any of you guys hate hipsters, too?


    ur preachin to the choir , i'm in Los Feliz
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    Sep 22, 2012 5:02 PM GMT
    I avoid West Hollywood like the plague that it is, but I have decided to stay away from Silverlake as well.

    Silverlake and West Hollywood are two opposite extremes. You have all the attitude, pretentiousness and shallow disrespect for relationships in West Hollywood that people hate, but I have gone to bars in Silverlake only to see people decked out in leather or rubber outfits walking around overplaying their masculinity. Silverlake is like a community of people so insecure about the way the world judges their masculinity because they are gay that they overplay it. The last time I was in Faultline I was served by a bartender who smelled like he had never put on deodorant in his life and someone was getting his dick sucked in a corner.

    Big and hairy is the theme in Silverlake while pretty and manicured is the theme in West Hollywood. It has been 4 years since I have been in either neighborhood, but I will never understand why we cannot find a middle ground in our community. Why can't there be a community of average guys who just happen to like to suck dick?
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    Sep 22, 2012 5:05 PM GMT
    LAGuy1979 said The last time I was in Faultline I was served by a bartender who smelled like he had never put on deodorant in his life and someone was getting his dick sucked in a corner.

    Why can't there be a community of average guys who just happen to like to suck dick?


    LOL..... what did u expect? u were at faultline
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    LAGuy1979 said The last time I was in Faultline I was served by a bartender who smelled like he had never put on deodorant in his life and someone was getting his dick sucked in a corner.

    Why can't there be a community of average guys who just happen to like to suck dick?


    LOL..... what did u expect? u were at faultline


    I truly didn't know. I was there because I was trying to avoid the West Hollywood scene and had hoped I would find a place to fit in, but after several months of socializing in Silverlake I realized I couldn't fit there any better than in West Hollywood.

    I suspect the reason the hipsters are overtaking Silverlake is because there are a great deal more of them and West Hollywood is completely overcrowded. Perhaps there are more that are tired of the WeHo life and are trying to find a different place to go, but they can't help but take their WeHo habits with them. Ironic that they may be trying to escape themselves.
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    Sep 22, 2012 5:26 PM GMT
    LAGuy1979 said
    I truly didn't know. I was there because I was trying to avoid the West Hollywood scene and had hoped I would find a place to fit in, but after several months of socializing in Silverlake I realized I couldn't fit there any better than in West Hollywood.

    I suspect the reason the hipsters are overtaking Silverlake is because there are a great deal more of them and West Hollywood is completely overcrowded. Perhaps there are more that are tired of the WeHo life and are trying to find a different place to go, but they can't help but take their WeHo habits with them. Ironic that they may be trying to escape themselves.


    how long have you lived in west hollywood? i dont' really think it seems any more "crowded" lately than it has been for the last several years. it gets more tourist traffic, but as far as residents go i dont' think there's a huge increse.

    I've always viewed certain LA neighborhoods as kind of being "life stage" specific, you know, you enjoy living somewhere in your early 20s, and it's no longer a good match by your late 20's-30s....maybe you're just moving out of that phase. or maybe u never fit in to weho, maybe you dont' fit into LA?

    I'm not really a "scene" type so i can pretty much be happy anywhere, as long as my immediate neighbors aren't total assholes.
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    LAGuy1979 said
    I truly didn't know. I was there because I was trying to avoid the West Hollywood scene and had hoped I would find a place to fit in, but after several months of socializing in Silverlake I realized I couldn't fit there any better than in West Hollywood.

    I suspect the reason the hipsters are overtaking Silverlake is because there are a great deal more of them and West Hollywood is completely overcrowded. Perhaps there are more that are tired of the WeHo life and are trying to find a different place to go, but they can't help but take their WeHo habits with them. Ironic that they may be trying to escape themselves.


    how long have you lived in west hollywood? i dont' really think it seems any more "crowded" lately than it has been for the last several years. it gets more tourist traffic, but as far as residents go i dont' think there's a huge increse.

    I've always viewed certain LA neighborhoods as kind of being "life stage" specific, you know, you enjoy living somewhere in your early 20s, and it's no longer a good match by your late 20's-30s....maybe you're just moving out of that phase. or maybe u never fit in to weho, maybe you dont' fit into LA?

    I'm not really a "scene" type so i can pretty much be happy anywhere, as long as my immediate neighbors aren't total assholes.



    I did not mean overcrowded in regards to the residents. I meant to the nightlife, but since the OP mentioned people are moving into Silverlake to live there I understand how my comment could be misinterpreted. I analyze the maturity level of people based on their social behavior rather than where they chose to live, but gay men seem to make decisions about where they live considering their social habits and to gay men there is nothing more important than how popular they are. I have lived in Los Angeles for 12 years and do not live in West Hollywood proper. I live near the Hollywood / Highland area a couple of miles away.

    You have a point about LA neighborhoods being life stage specific. I was in West Hollywood quite a bit my first two years here at 21 and 22, but quickly felt I outgrew it. The community's casual approach to life and low standards overall just never meshed with me. I have taken long breaks from the scene and then gone back several times only to find myself unable to relate any longer. I did notice each time some of the same people that seem never to grow out of that stage.

    Though, what life stage would you say people who strut around in leather and rubber smelling like an unwashed miscreant overstating their masculinity would be in? I've always had the opinion that WeHo kids are all about "I'm queer, I'm here, you have no choice but to accept me for what I am. Don't judge me," and so refuse to conform to the traditional standards of society. They do so by overstating their sexuality more than their masculinity. It seems the two communities are the same in that regard.
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    Sep 22, 2012 6:08 PM GMT
    I'm not familiar with Silver Lake all that much, but I've heard it was a bit more crime ridden in the 90s.


    Tht's the bittersweet thing. My city (Jersey City) has compiled tons of hipsters and yuppies over the past decade, it has actually made the city more desirable for the professional crowd. This place was a dump, full of gangs, and our population continued falling since the 40s. NOW hipsters, artist, gays and yuppies have gentrified the waterfront, and they're working their way up the Heights. The City is finally growing again.

    So I really don't have a problem with Hipsters taking over, unless these neighborhoods were nice to begin.
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    Sep 22, 2012 6:51 PM GMT
    bighairymuscles said [url] [http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2012/09/silver_lake_americas_hippest_neighborhood.php/url]



    Forbest magazine recently came out with a ranking of the most "hipster" neighborhoods in the USA. I live in the Silver lake area of LA and it used to be a nice area.

    About 10 years ago all these annoying "hipsters" with their Urban Outfitters clothing, trust funds and Elvis Costello wannabe style started moving here.

    It used to be a city full of artists, struggling hollywood workers, and it was known as the "Gay ghetto" because mostly blue collar type gay men lived here (like me).

    There are 3 gay Leather bars that I go to: The Eagle, Faultline, and the Bullet.

    They used to be filled with big hairy muscular, masculine butch guys. You would meet lots of USMC, Navy, Firefighters and Cops, Construction workers are just regular guys here. It was great for those into leather and not into the whole West Hollywood scene.

    Now, when you walk into any of these bars you see yuppy West Hollywood transplants everywhere. They have been raising rents, bringing their bad attitude and have transformed Silverlake into a "suburban style" area.

    The worst part about it all is the annoying "heterosexual hipsters" hang out at the gay bars because they think its cool. Silver lake now probably has more straight people than gay people, The whole situation is getting really bad...

    It seems as if every quaint arts district of any big city, or gay area has its charm but then loses it once the annoying hipsters start to move in.

    I love Silver lake, but its just a shame what the hipsters have done to this place.

    My friends in NYC, SF and Chicago say they are all moving into the "Gay areas" and turning them into heterosexual suburbia. Its awful! icon_sad.gif



    Do you any of you guys hate hipsters, too?

    Your disgust is very understandable because many of these higher income hipsters don't give a shit about other people who are not as well off as they are and I am not surprised by the rents going through the roof. It is not only the hipsters, even more prosperous segments of the gay community to turn an affordable neighborhood into an arrogant, expensive place. When any wealthy group of people discover a neighborhood and start colonizing it, the cost of living starts increasing rapidly and the less fortunate are forced out.
  • thadjock

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    Sep 22, 2012 6:58 PM GMT
    BP201 said
    So I really don't have a problem with Hipsters taking over, unless these neighborhoods were nice to begin.


    yeah i don't have a problem with hipsters or anybody else, but dont' move into a new neighborhood and consider the people who are already there undesireable.
  • BlackBeltGuy

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    Sep 22, 2012 7:01 PM GMT
    I am looking into echo park and valley village now. I love my palm springs place but not all year round.

    I hate west hollywood but have a great place and rent control. I am waiting for the right place to pounce on

    silverlake and Los feliz area was great when I lived there 9 years ago.
  • rnch

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    Sep 22, 2012 7:05 PM GMT
    Does anyone else see the irony in a magazine such as "Forbes" commenting on "hipster" neighborhoods icon_question.gif





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    ART_DECO saidGay neighborhoods often go through a 3-phase evolution. First they're straight communities in decline: Key West, South Beach, Wilton Manors, for example. Low prices attract gays who see fixer-upper opportunities, and the area location may have other attractions for gays, for instance an existing arts colony.

    In the second phase the community is vastly improved in appearance due to gay money & esthetics, and the population has become heavily gay, a nice place to live. That's where Wilton Manors is right now, a trailer park dump 20 years ago with barred & boarded storefronts, but today increasingly fashionable & trendy, with much new construction.

    In the third phase the attractiveness largely created by gays brings the straights back in, as residents and property investors. Prices begin to rise, the gay charm declines, and middle-income gays are priced out. That's where South Beach has been for several years now, and where Key West is currently headed. And those of us who live in Wilton Manors know that will eventually be its fate, too, while gays will have found some new place to transform.


    So true. I feel like that's what's happening to the Montrose area of Houston. I don't live in Houston anymore but when I left, real estate in that area was being pushed upwards. (sidenote: LOL...a new HEB opened their and a buddy of mine calls it the "pretty people HEB").
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    Sep 22, 2012 7:18 PM GMT
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    Myol saidNow they're moving to Austin by the truckload....

    If cities would just pass anti-b/o ordinances, I'm pretty sure we could nip this in the bud. Something like "you can't smell like a dumpster unless you actually are a dumpster" would prolly do it. icon_neutral.gif
    Another thing that needs to be done is clamping down on all the panhandling from otherwise able bodied but unkept people in many urban neighborhoods. These lowlifes just help cause more urban decline with their aggressive wanting free money from every pedestrian that walks by. No wonder everyone prefers to hang out in suburban shopping malls.