Dalai Lama tells his Facebook friends that religion “is no longer adequate”

  • metta

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    Sep 23, 2012 4:38 AM GMT

    Dalai Lama tells his Facebook friends that religion “is no longer adequate”

    "All the world's major religions, with their emphasis on love, compassion, patience, tolerance, and forgiveness can and do promote inner values. But the reality of the world today is that grounding ethics in religion is no longer adequate. This is why I am increasingly convinced that the time has come to find a way of thinking about spirituality and ethics beyond religion altogether."

    http://io9.com/5942616/dalai-lama-tells-his-facebook-friends-that-religion-is-no-longer-adequate
  • metta

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    Sep 23, 2012 5:04 AM GMT
    Sam Harris: Science can answer moral questions

  • dj12

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    Sep 23, 2012 8:19 AM GMT
    I think the problem is that religions seldom emphasize love, compassion, patience, tolerance, and forgiveness.
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    Sep 23, 2012 8:28 AM GMT
    dj12 saidI think the problem is that religions seldom emphasize love, compassion, patience, tolerance, and forgiveness.


    But religion is also run by humans, and we are not perfect, thus religion never will be either. No different to a group of people demanding acceptance, while not having the ability to accept others who think differently.
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    Sep 23, 2012 8:38 AM GMT
    But I thought the purpose of organized religion was hate and money?
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    Sep 23, 2012 10:14 AM GMT
    As some of us would consider a statement like this common knowledge, it is still refreshing to hear this coming from a religious person.
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    Sep 23, 2012 11:03 AM GMT
    my hero
  • calibro

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    Sep 23, 2012 1:41 PM GMT
    Ariodante saidBut I thought the purpose of organized religion was hate and money?


    and football players
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    Sep 23, 2012 2:07 PM GMT
    I worry that the Dalai Lama has a facebook profile.
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    Sep 23, 2012 2:11 PM GMT
    I agree with His Holiness. Sadhu! Sadhu! Sadhu! icon_wink.gif On this particular planet at this time I do not think humanity has any other choice but to find a new moral and ethic directive. For me the Buddhist concept of cause and effect (dependant origination) can aid in cultivating this compassionate stance. As Ajahn Chah mentioned "Everything arises, Everything falls away." There is no permanence to anything in this world; it's simply not in it's nature. Perhaps "religion" has exhausted it's momentum enough to begin "falling away". If so, we must find a reason to be kind, caring and helpful to our own being as well as the world. We as a species have "done" science and religion both to their extremes. Perhaps we should try the "middle way"? icon_lol.gif
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    Sep 23, 2012 4:50 PM GMT
    That article reads incredibly presumptuously.

    Here's his Holiness' facebook page
    http://www.facebook.com/DalaiLama


    I've no idea what the quote has to do with Harris. I kinda doubt the Dalai Lama is rejecting spirituality, nor even modifying his view of it, rather, more likely, he is seeking ways to export it, not unlike students of Kabbalah have been doing since Madonna, nor New Agers since Castaneda

    You really can't take the Dalai Lama out of context; he chooses his wording carefully. I've heard him speak; he's a very smart guy. He says "the time has come to find a way of thinking about spirituality and ethics beyond religion altogether."

    And this is obviously necessary in order for more people to access the message of religion. The guy is not abdicating the role of religion, he's advancing it. That's sort of his job. And there's no reason for him to do otherwise. There's lots of good information in there. The problem is wading through all the ceremony to get to it.

    For instance. the so-called Tibetan Book of the Dead speaks of encountering hideous gods drinking blood out of skulls, among other fun, planned events. Oh really? So the nonreligious message in "thinking about spirituality...beyond religion" might be that yer gonna need some courage to face your fears. Oh, well, but that's not very religious at all. So you can apply that to ethical aspects as well.

    Now, besides heading up one of the world's great religions, he is also a man of science and has been involved for years with a group of scientists and physicians in the study of consciousness. So it's not as if he's giving up one for the other. I've never heard Harris in person but I can tell you, the Dalai Lama is no Sam.

    see http://www.mindandlife.org/

    For millennia, the Tibetans have done a wonderful job of exploring what western science is just beginning to study. They have much to offer but so much is hidden in religion. Once they decloak to fire, they will raise their shields.

    decloaking.jpg

    You might also find these guys interesting http://www.mindscience.org