City of Toledo unions reject partner benefits

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    Sep 24, 2012 1:13 PM GMT
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    The majority of members belonging to three city of Toledo union locals declined to let employees in domestic partnerships receive the same health-insurance benefits extended to spouses of legally married city employees — something that Mayor Mike Bell and city council approved this year.

    The Toledo Police Patrolman’s Association and two units of the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees Local 7, in three separate votes, rejected the benefit.

    Don Czerniak, Local 7 president, said the employees overwhelmingly disagreed with extending the benefit to unmarried couples — which could have covered both heterosexual and same-sex couples who register as domestic partners.

    “We had to bring [it] back to the members and they felt — some of them felt — it wasn’t right,” Mr. Czerniak said. “Even though the mayor and city council have their own personal feelings, each one of the members just didn’t think it was right under their moral ethics or whatever you want to call it.”

    Mr. Czerniak said he did not opine on the benefit during the voting, which took place on Sept. 13, according to his letter to the Bell administration.

    “The people who came and voted were very boisterous about it,” Mr. Czerniak said. “The feeling was if they are that worried about it — not as much the same sex [couples] — then let them get married and have them be on our health insurance.”
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    Sep 24, 2012 1:27 PM GMT
    And yet Conservatives still consider gay marriage to be a luxury issue.
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    Sep 24, 2012 1:55 PM GMT
    Scruffypup saidAnd yet Conservatives still consider gay marriage to be a luxury issue.


    The city's unions rejected the idea because the benefit would cover same sex couples. I'd be surprised if these unions considered themselves to be "Conservatives" but perhaps you know differently?
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    Sep 24, 2012 2:05 PM GMT
    Can gay couples get married in Ohio?
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    Sep 24, 2012 3:30 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    Scruffypup saidAnd yet Conservatives still consider gay marriage to be a luxury issue.


    The city's unions rejected the idea because the benefit would cover same sex couples. I'd be surprised if these unions considered themselves to be "Conservatives" but perhaps you know differently?



    “We had to bring [it] back to the members and they felt — some of them felt — it wasn’t right,” Mr. Czerniak said. “Even though the mayor and city council have their own personal feelings, each one of the members just didn’t think it was right under their moral ethics or whatever you want to call it.”


    Are you THAT dense?
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    Sep 24, 2012 5:20 PM GMT
    I'm sure most of them are democrats. Being a democrat doesn't mean you're gay friendly. Some hardcore dems I know are extremely homophobic, even downright hateful.
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    mocktwinkie saidI'm sure most of them are democrats. Being a democrat doesn't mean you're gay friendly. Some hardcore dems I know are extremely homophobic, even downright hateful.


    Your sureness is sheer speculation, and not correct, Mock. icon_wink.gif
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    mocktwinkie saidI'm sure most of them are democrats. Being a democrat doesn't mean you're gay friendly. Some hardcore dems I know are extremely homophobic, even downright hateful.


    Your sureness is sheer speculation, and not correct, Mock. icon_wink.gif


    Most union workers are democrat in this country.
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    Sep 24, 2012 6:43 PM GMT
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    meninlove said
    mocktwinkie saidI'm sure most of them are democrats. Being a democrat doesn't mean you're gay friendly. Some hardcore dems I know are extremely homophobic, even downright hateful.


    Your sureness is sheer speculation, and not correct, Mock. icon_wink.gif


    Most union workers are democrat in this country.


    ..er, are you saying that a conservative will turn down a good job, any job, if there's a union? *tries to stifle laughter, as I know differently from experience*

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    mocktwinkie said
    meninlove said
    mocktwinkie saidI'm sure most of them are democrats. Being a democrat doesn't mean you're gay friendly. Some hardcore dems I know are extremely homophobic, even downright hateful.


    Your sureness is sheer speculation, and not correct, Mock. icon_wink.gif


    Most union workers are democrat in this country.



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    Sep 24, 2012 7:57 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    Scruffypup saidAnd yet Conservatives still consider gay marriage to be a luxury issue.


    The city's unions rejected the idea because the benefit would cover same sex couples. I'd be surprised if these unions considered themselves to be "Conservatives" but perhaps you know differently?



    “We had to bring [it] back to the members and they felt — some of them felt — it wasn’t right,” Mr. Czerniak said. “Even though the mayor and city council have their own personal feelings, each one of the members just didn’t think it was right under their moral ethics or whatever you want to call it.”


    Are you THAT dense?


    Ah so anyone who has these feelings is therefore a "Conservative"? Clearly given your level of thought, I'm not the one who's dense here...
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    Sep 24, 2012 8:09 PM GMT
    I was born and raised in greater Toledo. Unions greatly helped my family and extended family achieve a comfortable middle class life. Most union members vote Democratic, though some vote Republican. Lots of people, especially in Catholic areas like Toledo, are conservative on social issues, and liberal on economic ones.
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    Sep 24, 2012 11:12 PM GMT
    I grew up in rural NW Ohio, not far from Toledo, and thought even then that it was hopelessly backward, like a flat version of Appalachia. Not surprised by this at all.
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    Sep 24, 2012 11:20 PM GMT
    Nivek saidI was born and raised in greater Toledo. Unions greatly helped my family and extended family achieve a comfortable middle class life. Most union members vote Democratic, though some vote Republican. Lots of people, especially in Catholic areas like Toledo, are conservative on social issues, and liberal on economic ones.


    That is like worse than frightening...socially conservative and economically liberal. SCARY
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    Sep 24, 2012 11:47 PM GMT
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    Scruffypup said
    riddler78 said
    Scruffypup saidAnd yet Conservatives still consider gay marriage to be a luxury issue.


    The city's unions rejected the idea because the benefit would cover same sex couples. I'd be surprised if these unions considered themselves to be "Conservatives" but perhaps you know differently?



    “We had to bring [it] back to the members and they felt — some of them felt — it wasn’t right,” Mr. Czerniak said. “Even though the mayor and city council have their own personal feelings, each one of the members just didn’t think it was right under their moral ethics or whatever you want to call it.”


    Are you THAT dense?


    Ah so anyone who has these feelings is therefore a "Conservative"? Clearly given your level of thought, I'm not the one who's dense here...



    Look Einstein....the very foundation of Liberalism is a "live and let live" attitude. Even a child knows this.
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    Sep 25, 2012 12:56 AM GMT
    Caslon21000 saidCan gay couples get married in Ohio?


    No a proposition was passed banning gay marriage in Ohio a couple years back. I live in NW Ohio just south of Toledo and I have to say that intolerance is very high here, but it is getting better.