Empathy is What Really Sets Vegetarians Apart (at least Neurologically Speaking)

  • metta

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    Sep 27, 2012 7:41 PM GMT

    Empathy is What Really Sets Vegetarians Apart (at least Neurologically Speaking)

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolved-primate/201005/empathy-is-what-really-sets-vegetarians-apart-least-neurologically-speak

    The Brain Functional Networks Associated to Human and Animal Suffering Differ among Omnivores, Vegetarians and Vegans

    [url]http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0010847[/url]
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    Sep 27, 2012 7:52 PM GMT
    metta8 said
    Empathy is What Really Sets Vegetarians Apart (at least Neurologically Speaking)

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolved-primate/201005/empathy-is-what-really-sets-vegetarians-apart-least-neurologically-speak

    The Brain Functional Networks Associated to Human and Animal Suffering Differ among Omnivores, Vegetarians and Vegans

    [url]http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0010847[/url]


    I believe it.. I became a vegetarian as did my sister when were were both quite young,, under 8 years old. It was when I figured out what I was eating that I never touched meat, or fish, or fowl again up until I was in my mid 20's and started working out.. Even know I have a hard time eating meat and force myself.. sometimes I can't even do that and just leave it on the plate.
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    Sep 27, 2012 8:14 PM GMT
    I think that's a true statement in general, but I have met Convenient Vegetarians who do so to appear hip.
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    Sep 27, 2012 8:15 PM GMT
    I'm a vegan but most people here would think that politically I have no empathy.
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    Sep 27, 2012 8:47 PM GMT
    I wonder if eating a vegetarian would produce the same amount of empathy.
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    Sep 28, 2012 6:19 PM GMT
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    The last Friday of September- International 'Hug a Vegetarian' Day

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    metta8 saidHappy Hug A Vegetarian Day! icon_smile.gif

    The last Friday of September- International 'Hug a Vegetarian' Day

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  • Medjai

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    Sep 28, 2012 6:34 PM GMT
    So you're more empathic if you deny biology?

    And why does eating an animal remove my empathy? I'll still eat it, but I can be empathic about its life. I will not eat an animal that wasn't respected during its life.
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    Sep 28, 2012 6:53 PM GMT
    Medjai saidSo you're more empathic if you deny biology?

    And why does eating an animal remove my empathy? I'll still eat it, but I can be empathic about its life. I will not eat an animal that wasn't respected during its life.


    Deny biology? Meat is not a biological necessity.
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    Sep 28, 2012 7:02 PM GMT
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    Medjai saidSo you're more empathic if you deny biology?

    And why does eating an animal remove my empathy? I'll still eat it, but I can be empathic about its life. I will not eat an animal that wasn't respected during its life.


    Deny biology? Meat is not a biological necessity.


    We are biologically designed to be omnivores and scavengers. Dentition and digestive processes verify this.
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    Sep 28, 2012 7:06 PM GMT
    whatever
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    Sep 28, 2012 7:29 PM GMT
    Medjai said
    mocktwinkles said
    Medjai saidSo you're more empathic if you deny biology?

    And why does eating an animal remove my empathy? I'll still eat it, but I can be empathic about its life. I will not eat an animal that wasn't respected during its life.


    Deny biology? Meat is not a biological necessity.


    We are biologically designed to be omnivores and scavengers. Dentition and digestive processes verify this.


    Capable of doesn't mean optimal. You can tell yourself whatever you like, but eating meat is simply not healthy. A diet consisting of primarily vegetables and fruits is superior to a meal consisting mainly of meat.
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    Sep 28, 2012 7:30 PM GMT
    mocktwinkles said
    Medjai said
    mocktwinkles said
    Medjai saidSo you're more empathic if you deny biology?

    And why does eating an animal remove my empathy? I'll still eat it, but I can be empathic about its life. I will not eat an animal that wasn't respected during its life.


    Deny biology? Meat is not a biological necessity.


    We are biologically designed to be omnivores and scavengers. Dentition and digestive processes verify this.


    Capable of doesn't mean optimal. Eating meat is simply not healthy.


    Nope. I'm not saying cutting out meat can't be done in a healthy way, but biology is on the side of meat. We're made to eat it. It's okay to eat it.
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    Sep 28, 2012 7:32 PM GMT
    DudeInNOVA saidicon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif

    Oh boy. This is going to turn into a flame war really fast.


    Ungh, it's simple biology. The cultural , moral, etc issues are a whole different thing. Vegetarians can be healthy, sure, but their very recent dietary change cannot argue with millions of years of specialized adaptation.
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    DudeInNOVA saidicon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif

    Oh boy. This is going to turn into a flame war really fast.


    Ungh, it's simple biology. The cultural , moral, etc issues are a whole different thing. Vegetarians can be healthy, sure, but their very recent dietary change cannot argue with millions of years of specialized adaptation.


    The level of toxicity in meat (not to mention modern livestock practices) is far greater now than it was for ancestors, hence precluding it as something healthy to eat in this day and age. The protein itself is healthy and necessary but the toxicity of meat nowadays is cancer causing. Red meat has been shown in many studies to increase the risk of developing cancer. I'm not even vegan for animal cruelty reasons as much as health reasons. I don't have a problem with people eating meat, just don't pretend it's something healthy to do, because it simply isn't.

    Also, people are eating way too much protein nowadays, far more than they need, but that's a whole other topic.
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    Sep 28, 2012 7:36 PM GMT
    My point isn't to spark a meat or no meat debate. It's that suggesting omnivores are less empathic is demonizing. Empathy it a defining cultural aspect of humanity, and to say that anyone who eats meat is less that human is a very slippery slope.
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    Sep 28, 2012 7:37 PM GMT
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    Medjai said
    DudeInNOVA saidicon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif

    Oh boy. This is going to turn into a flame war really fast.


    Ungh, it's simple biology. The cultural , moral, etc issues are a whole different thing. Vegetarians can be healthy, sure, but their very recent dietary change cannot argue with millions of years of specialized adaptation.


    The level of toxicity in meat (not to mention modern livestock practices) is far greater now than it was for ancestors, hence precluding it as something healthy to eat in this day and age. The protein itself is healthy and necessary but the toxicity of meat nowadays is cancer causing. Red meat has been shown in many studies to increase the risk of developing cancer. I'm not even vegan for animal cruelty reasons as much as health reasons. I don't have a problem with people eating meat, just don't pretend it's something healthy to do, because it simply isn't.


    I will completely support your assertion that modern production methods, not the product itself, are the problem.
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    Sep 28, 2012 7:37 PM GMT
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    i want to be hugged by a hot naked guy holding a puppy


    I want to be hugged by a hot naked guy holding a big juicy bloody burger. Vegetarians to the left.
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    Sep 28, 2012 7:41 PM GMT
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    calibro said

    i want to be hugged by a hot naked guy holding a puppy


    I want to be hugged by a hot naked guy holding a big juicy bloody burger. Vegetarians to the left.


    VERY sexy. my new fantasy.
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    Medjai saidMy point isn't to spark a meat or no meat debate. It's that suggesting omnivores are less empathic is demonizing. Empathy it a defining cultural aspect of humanity, and to say that anyone who eats meat is less that human is a very slippery slope.


    Your statement seems to suggest that having more empathic is a desirable quality. There can always be too much of a good thing. Having extreme empathy can be a mental illness just as having a lack of empathy can be.
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    Sep 28, 2012 7:42 PM GMT
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    Medjai saidMy point isn't to spark a meat or no meat debate. It's that suggesting omnivores are less empathic is demonizing. Empathy it a defining cultural aspect of humanity, and to say that anyone who eats meat is less that human is a very slippery slope.


    Your statement seems to suggest that having more empathic is a desirable quality. There can always be too much of a good thing. Having extreme empathy can be a mental illness just as having a lack of empathy can be.


    Agreed. Everything in moderation. That's just the assertion I got out of the article.
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    Sep 28, 2012 7:52 PM GMT
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    I'm just hoping for a hug! ;)
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    DudeInNOVA saidicon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif

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    I'm just hoping for a hug! ;)


    Don't expect one from a meat-eater. We aren't empathetic enough. icon_razz.gif
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    Sep 28, 2012 8:01 PM GMT
    I'm vegetarian purely for health reasons. I don't think much about the animals, but I guess there is SOME empathy there...

    But why would you want to eat an animal that has metabolic syndrome already due to the way it is raised? If I were to eat an animal, I'd want a lean, muscular, physically fit animal (just like I like my men...and why I won't eat most semen). Probably have a healthier metabolic profile than something that sits in knee-high shit, eats corn from a trough when it's stomach can't really digest that, is fed antibiotics to treat their GI distress instead of diet modification, etc. Plus, eating animals is inefficient use of energy--you're uptaking energy from a tertiary source (sun/soil to plants = 1, plants to animals = 2, animals to humans = 3). I prefer to be the secondary source until I'm photosynthetic and can fix carbon via the calvin cycle...not in this lifetime.