WHAT IF... What if Obama and the democrats blow it?

  • HndsmKansan

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    Aug 26, 2008 1:09 AM GMT
    Have you wondered if it could happen again? I'm an optimist and after this
    idiot for the last 8 years, you couldn't think the democrats could blow it, but
    I have to admit, I'm getting a little worried.

    Most of us agree that Bush will rank at the bottom of US Presidents and rightfully so, but if the democrats can't carry this election, I'll be more than disgusted. I'm just afraid there are some signs of that happening. Obama not wanting to respond to some of the trash of the Republicans. I still can't believe Kerry didn't get in the face of Bush and his cronies 4 years ago with the "swift boating" venture.

    We had better see some real effort made with the democratic convention this week and I hope the selection of Biden makes real sense based on the
    race at this time. I can say I'm not happy with the race at this moment......
  • rnch

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    Aug 26, 2008 1:23 AM GMT
    more like WHEN.....
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    Aug 26, 2008 1:33 AM GMT
    here is why the democrats will blow it, not because of Obama and his pick Biden, but because of those democrats who just cannot get over the fact that Hillary lost so they will no vote or will vote for McCain. If Dems come together, they cant be stopped, if they continue to fight, well that all she wrote.
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    Aug 26, 2008 1:37 AM GMT
    Then get ready for a police state! icon_biggrin.gif
  • HndsmKansan

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    Aug 26, 2008 1:55 AM GMT
    GobB saidhere is why the democrats will blow it, not because of Obama and his pick Biden, but because of those democrats who just cannot get over the fact that Hillary lost so they will no vote or will vote for McCain.



    Well I was a strong Hillary supporter and I'm voting for Obama..... I'm sure most will see the prudence of that move.
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    Aug 26, 2008 2:44 AM GMT
    Sedative saidThen get ready for a police state! icon_biggrin.gif


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    Aug 26, 2008 5:41 AM GMT
    Stonecold - Just wait till you end up on a terror watch list for apparently no reason. Do I even need to raise the fact that no one is allowed to see this list outside of high ranking officials? And they don't even get the reasons why someone is on the list...

    Oh... The question was about what will HAPPEN, not what's already HAPPENING.

    My bad.

    Honestly, if we lose again... Canada just keeps looking better and better.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Aug 26, 2008 5:50 AM GMT
    Sedative saidThen get ready for a police state! icon_biggrin.gif



    Gwgtrunks saidStonecold - Just wait till you end up on a terror watch list for apparently no reason. Do I even need to raise the fact that no one is allowed to see this list outside of high ranking officials? And they don't even get the reasons why someone is on the list...

    Oh... The question was about what will HAPPEN, not what's already HAPPENING.

    My bad.

    Honestly, if we lose again... Canada just keeps looking better and better.



    God GOD some of you libs are drama queens -- sheesh! icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Aug 26, 2008 6:03 AM GMT
    I know right? But could you blame us? It'd be the end of Gay Rights and the beginning of the Mexican Wall. Ah! Republican Utopia! But I'm not in America, I promise I'll establish and Underground Railroad thing for you girlfriends trapped there. icon_lol.gif
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    Aug 26, 2008 6:06 AM GMT
    Gwgtrunks saidStonecold - Just wait till you end up on a terror watch list for apparently no reason. Do I even need to raise the fact that no one is allowed to see this list outside of high ranking officials? And they don't even get the reasons why someone is on the list...

    Oh... The question was about what will HAPPEN, not what's already HAPPENING.

    My bad.

    Honestly, if we lose again... Canada just keeps looking better and better.


    icon_rolleyes.gif Stop being so hysterical. Good god... Get a hold of yourself, man!
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    Aug 26, 2008 6:11 AM GMT
    *runs around and hyperventilates at the thought of John McCain and faints dead*
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    Aug 26, 2008 6:14 AM GMT
    Sedative saidI know right? But could you blame us? It'd be the end of Gay Rights and the beginning of the Mexican Wall. Ah! Republican Utopia! But I'm not in America, I promise I'll establish and Underground Railroad thing for you girlfriends trapped there. icon_lol.gif


    Clinton did a lot of gay rights. icon_rolleyes.gif And McCain thinking that Clinton's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" should stay the same and that marriage, which is some institution that has been between a man and a woman for all of recorded history will probably remain unchanged, unless the states want to change it, under McCain. The end of gay rights. EEEEK!!! icon_rolleyes.gif

    The beginning of the Mexican Wall? Why, exactly, if we have people strolling into the country illegally, would we not put up something to stop them? Should people not be allowed to fence their yards to keep out strangers? icon_rolleyes.gif Should we not be allowed to have locks on our doors? People aren't allowed to just stroll into our houses either. icon_rolleyes.gif Why is it more difficult to get into my subdivision than it is to enter the U.S.-Mexico border? icon_rolleyes.gif

    My eyes are tired from all this rolling!!! icon_smile.gif
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Aug 26, 2008 6:20 AM GMT
    Sedative said*runs around and hyperventilates at the thought of John McCain and faints dead*



    Ahhhhhh, well, one less lib to annoy us icon_lol.gif

    Next??? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Aug 26, 2008 6:27 AM GMT
    Oh let me help you roll them. icon_rolleyes.gif

    At least dems are more likely to consider equal rights than republicans. Hah!

    And yeah, mexican border wall, martial law, perpetual counter-jihad, discrete homosexuality, and an old and old money WASP guy as president... AGAIN. icon_rolleyes.gif

    YAY! icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Aug 26, 2008 6:33 AM GMT
    Sedative saidOh let me help you roll them. icon_rolleyes.gif

    At least dems are more likely to consider equal rights than republicans. Hah!

    And yeah, mexican border wall, martial law, perpetual counter-jihad, discrete homosexuality, and an old and old money WASP guy as president... AGAIN. icon_rolleyes.gif

    YAY! icon_rolleyes.gif


    icon_rolleyes.gif They need to have a smiley face of someone being hysterical. Until then, my old standby...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irNKHSbKqL8
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    Aug 26, 2008 6:47 AM GMT
    stonecoldfoxboy said
    Sedative saidOh let me help you roll them. icon_rolleyes.gif

    At least dems are more likely to consider equal rights than republicans. Hah!

    And yeah, mexican border wall, martial law, perpetual counter-jihad, discrete homosexuality, and an old and old money WASP guy as president... AGAIN. icon_rolleyes.gif

    YAY! icon_rolleyes.gif


    icon_rolleyes.gif They need to have a smiley face of someone being hysterical. Until then, my old standby...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irNKHSbKqL8


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  • HndsmKansan

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    Aug 26, 2008 7:19 AM GMT
    Hey I'm impressed that Sedative is as atuned as he is... and has an opinion (fortunately its the right one)....and he doesn't even live in this country.

    Kudos Eric!
  • HndsmKansan

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    Aug 26, 2008 7:21 AM GMT
    stonecoldfoxboy said
    Sedative said



    You two.. I love the cute arguement...
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    Aug 26, 2008 7:41 AM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidHey I'm impressed that Sedative is as atuned as he is... and has an opinion (fortunately its the right one)....and he doesn't even live in this country.

    Kudos Eric!


    I know, like DOH! icon_rolleyes.gif

    McCain is the same ole shit all over again (hey that's three redundancies in one sentence! hah!). And as the US is the world leader at least for the progressive nations, whatever happens in it, affects us as well.
  • GQjock

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    Aug 26, 2008 9:56 AM GMT
    I said it in 2000...
    we are in BIG trouble if this idiot gets in

    ... and GUESS what! He did, but NEVER in a million years did I think he'd do the damage that he did
    and People voted for him TWICE!!!!

    So I Never ever again will underestimate the gullibility of the American people
    when it comes to picking their leader

    The media is mostly to blame
    Remember the "I could have a beer with this guy" crap they spread when Bush was running?

    and now we're getting the same unbelievable sh*t with this guy
    where every little detail about Obama is analyzed to death and the old man can leave a crippled wife and have an affair with an heiress who finances the start of his political career and no one says a word about it?
    He uses inconsistencies in his speeches about his life that are NOT in his autobiography and not a question from a single journalist
    There are GAPING holes in his foreign and domestic policies and he's given a pass
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    Aug 26, 2008 10:22 AM GMT
    Yes, I agree. It certainly is a difficult decision....

    who not to vote for...








    and by the way, you happen to be very hot, therefore i will agree with anything you have to say..
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    Aug 26, 2008 10:37 AM GMT
    You know what, if Senator Obama is all that stands between America and her devolution into a complete police state then we are fucked six ways till Sunday. If Senator McCain is actually the Anti-Christ who will erase all thought, liberty, j-lube, and fist fucking then we are still fucked six ways till Sunday.

    These viewpoints really are hysterical.

    At the moment, I am one of those voters who would have voted for Senator Clinton and who is absolutely unconvinced about Senator Obama. I am less convinced than ever before, since his choice of Senator Biden.

    I fully expect Senator McCain to be President.

    Frankly, while I absolutely don't support the idea of Senator McCain becoming the 44th President of the United States, I don't think it spells armageddon either.

    I agree with Kansas, when Bush was elected I knew it was going to be awful, but I could not have imagined mismanagement on such a scale. I don't resent his politics as much as I resent his mismanagement, poor choices, and general incompetence.

    In 70 days Senator McCain will be President, that is my prediction.

    Terry
  • GQjock

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    Aug 26, 2008 10:43 AM GMT
    Not Armageddon...

    But just Exactly the same sh*t as we got right now

    Happy with the way it is?
    Then let Gramps be President
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    Aug 26, 2008 11:49 AM GMT
    I've already started preparing myself for the worst while hoping for the best.

    I hope registered Democrats who vote will remember they are not just electing an individual - they are electing a party. I don't understand how people can complain about the Republican party and how much it's hurt this country yet turn around and say they are going to vote for it!

    I'm going to be paying close attention to both conventions, to the debates, and to each party's platform. One of the big things I'm going to be paying attention to is how each party runs its campaign.

    To me, this election is especially crucial. I got laid off June 30. It would have cost me 1/3 of my monthly rent to continue with health insurance. Like so many others, I just couldn't do it and joined the ranks of the uninsured. My boyfriend got laid off a year ago and now works for himself, but can't afford health insurance either. In the short time I've been unemployed, I've started meeting more and more people in the same situation I never thought I'd be in.

    I was very happy last night when Ted Kennedy spoke at the convention and reiterated that health care is a right and not a privilege. I was just as shocked as the audience when he included gay rights.

    Kennedy said:And this is the cause of my life -- new hope that we will break the old gridlock and guarantee that every American—north, south, east, west, young, old—will have decent, quality health care as a fundamental right and not a privilege.

    We can meet these challenges with Barack Obama. Yes, we can, and finally, yes, we will.

    Barack Obama will close the book on the old politics of race and gender and group against group and straight against gay.


    I am looking forward to seeing how the rest of the convention unfolds and what the polls say afterwards.

    If you're worried about what's going to happen - it's time to do something about it. Volunteer to register voters. Discuss the issues with people and hold them accountable.
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    Aug 26, 2008 11:51 AM GMT
    More important than electing a party is to keep your eye on the prize - the Supreme Court. That's where the magic happens.