HILLARY MOVES TO THE PODIUM

  • HndsmKansan

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    Aug 26, 2008 4:42 PM GMT
    One of my favorite parts of the DNC will be tonight with Hillary moving to the podium in perhaps one of her most important moments. Clearly she needs to encourage her supporters to "get with it" and support Obama, but I think she needs to do much more. I hope she will draw a distinction as to the "road" we should be traveling the next 4 years.. which should be a vastly different direction than the road we have been on under Bush.

    I think its a challenge, but I'm confident she was do a fantastic job.
    While I think Hillary would have been an incredible president, it is very important for us to support Obama....


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    Aug 26, 2008 4:44 PM GMT
    Even though Bill isn't exactly on board with Obama, I am so glad Hillary is having her moment in the convention. Her candidacy was truly historical and I look forward to her candidacy in 2016.
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    Aug 26, 2008 4:48 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidEven though Bill isn't exactly on board with Obama, I am so glad Hillary is having her moment in the convention. Her candidacy was truly historical and I look forward to her candidacy in 2016.



    Or 2012 if things don't go right......
  • rnch

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    Aug 26, 2008 4:53 PM GMT
    i'd LOVE to see hilary climb to the podium, smile at the camera, throw her prepared speech on the floor, turn to the flip-flopping skinny stick and tell obama ben laden EXACTLY and in great graphic detail what she and bill have been saying about him behind closed doors. icon_twisted.gificon_lol.gif
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    Aug 26, 2008 4:58 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said... I hope she will draw a distinction as to the "road" we should be traveling the next 4 years.. which should be a vastly different direction than the road we have been on under Bush....


    should be but won't be
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Aug 26, 2008 7:40 PM GMT
    I am secretly hoping for a huge surprise and high-drama when Hillary gets to the podium tonight. She should say "Let's stop kidding ourselves...Obama cannot win this for the democrats, my name is in nomination and you can STILL nominate me...and we still CAN win this in November".

    I know it would never happen, but oh lordy would that be amazing. The crazy thing is that, if she were to do that, it just might work. I honestly think that there are a whole lot of pledged Obama delegates running around right now feeling as though they have made a huge mistake. Not in thinking that Obama would be a good President, but in thinking that he can win this without Hillary.



    P.S. and I'm sorry, MCH, but the "Obama Bin Laden" reference is offensive even to those of us who don't support him. Apparently, at 98, you STILL need to GROW UP!
  • TallGWMvballe...

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    Aug 26, 2008 7:57 PM GMT
    rnch saidi'd LOVE to see hilary climb to the podium, smile at the camera, throw her prepared speech on the floor, turn to the flip-flopping skinny stick and tell obama ben laden EXACTLY and in great graphic detail what she and bill have been saying about him behind closed doors. icon_twisted.gificon_lol.gif



    Obviously this JERK is not a real person but most likely is a right wing crazy. hiding behind a false profile


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    Aug 26, 2008 8:00 PM GMT
    A last ditch effort on Hillary's part to win the nomination would be off the hook cool. I'd even vote for that
  • SuneFL

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    Aug 26, 2008 8:19 PM GMT
    After hearing and reading today that it was Senator Clinton's choice not to be vetted for Vice President by Obama's people because he wouldn't guarantee she'd be in his top three... I think she is planning for the future.

    I agree it would rock the Pepsi Center House if she made a move for the nomination... but with the polls showing this will be a close race against McCain, I think she will half-heartedly go on the attack against the Republicans; half-heartedly back Obama; and half-heartedly smile and try to unite the Democratic party. She is a politician after all. She will need her party if the opportunity to run ever comes up again. After her speech, she will leave the campaigning to Senator Obama.

    As for the comment:

    rnch said... obama ben laden ... icon_twisted.gificon_lol.gif



    I also find this offensive. I didn't vote for him in the FL primary (go HIll!), but I would never compare him to the most infamous murderer and terrorist of our time. Stand up for yourself... show your face if you are going to perpetuate misinformation.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Aug 27, 2008 12:11 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI am secretly hoping for a huge surprise and high-drama when Hillary gets to the podium tonight. She should say "Let's stop kidding ourselves...Obama cannot win this for the democrats, my name is in nomination and you can STILL nominate me...and we still CAN win this in November".

    I know it would never happen, but oh lordy would that be amazing. The crazy thing is that, if she were to do that, it just might work. I honestly think that there are a whole lot of pledged Obama delegates running around right now feeling as though they have made a huge mistake. Not in thinking that Obama would be a good President, but in thinking that he can win this without Hillary.



    P.S. and I'm sorry, MCH, but the "Obama Bin Laden" reference is offensive even to those of us who don't support him. Apparently, at 98, you STILL need to GROW UP!



    Well I have thought that myself... but it can't happen...LOL
  • HndsmKansan

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    Aug 27, 2008 3:11 AM GMT
    Fantastic speech. It was everything I expected from her. She was great.

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  • SuneFL

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    Aug 27, 2008 3:20 AM GMT
    I agree Hillary was magnanimous in defeat and forthright in her praise of Barack Obama. It was one of her best speeches.

    I'm especially proud she mentioned her support of gay rights during a natonally televised political convention. We can only hope we hear the same thing when Barack accepts his party's nomination.
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    Aug 27, 2008 3:26 AM GMT
    Why did she not mention that the glass ceiling we keep hearing about was held in place by Democrats who voted for a man over a woman? Republicans did not stop her run for the Presidency, Democrats did. Once again, they picked a man over a much more qualified woman when given the chance. Poor Demos, all for women's advancement until they actually had a chance to advance a woman over a man for a job and they went with the guy.

    As far as the separation of church and state in an early response, we have never had that. The phrase comes from a letter Jefferson wrote to a church that was concerned about our new gov't. It is not in the Constitution at all, though many people think it is. It was used by a Supreme Court justice in a later ruling, but there is no constitutional separation of church and state in the U.S. The constitution only says there will be no favoritism of one religion over another.

    I am an atheist, btw. Have been all my life. Religion is not a part of my life and hasn't been since I was a kid. I am also a politically independent, never been a Democrat or Republican. I think both parties are very flawed.
  • TallGWMvballe...

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    Aug 27, 2008 3:28 AM GMT
    YES, she was all we knew she HAD to be to help unify the party and hopefully get Obama elected.

    Even Bill was well behaved.... all in all, a good speech.
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    Aug 27, 2008 3:32 AM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidFantastic speech. It was everything I expected from her. She was great.

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    It was fantastic. I admit I had to get past a few "what ifs" and "if onlys" though. While the unity signs were waving, it was great seeing the Hillary signs so prominently displayed, too. And it was great to hear her include gay rights in her speech, too.
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    Aug 27, 2008 3:39 AM GMT
    Personally, I thought it was a weak speech. She just does not give good BIG speeches. Her tone is artificial and forced. Bill gave great speeches. She just does not, though a great speech maker does not mean a great politician. I think she has been a good Senator and I was a skeptic.

    Obama is a great speaker, with a teleprompter. He gets in trouble when he speaks off the cuff. He hums and haws and rambles. Everytime he has made a gaff, it was when he was not using a teleprompter. Everytime he has had to go back and clarify something, it came from speeches without a teleprompter. Look at the debates. No one thought he won any of them because he had to speak off the cuff and he is just not good at that. Maybe highly intelligent, for sure, but not a great speaker unless he has that teleprompter.
  • EricLA

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    Aug 27, 2008 3:41 AM GMT
    I think her speech more than did the job. She said all the right things and then some. I was happy enough that I contributed toward retiring her campaign debt.
  • auryn

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    Aug 27, 2008 3:52 AM GMT
    Hillary ROCKED THE PODIUM. I can't wait for the whole thing to be on youtube or somewhere, but here's the beginning of it for those that missed it.

    Sen Hillary Clinton at the 2008 DNC Convention
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    Aug 27, 2008 3:58 AM GMT
    Triggerman saidWhy did she not mention that the glass ceiling we keep hearing about was held in place by Democrats who voted for a man over a woman? Republicans did not stop her run for the Presidency, Democrats did. Once again, they picked a man over a much more qualified woman when given the chance. Poor Demos, all for women's advancement until they actually had a chance to advance a woman over a man for a job and they went with the guy.

    As far as the separation of church and state in an early response, we have never had that. The phrase comes from a letter Jefferson wrote to a church that was concerned about our new gov't. It is not in the Constitution at all, though many people think it is. It was used by a Supreme Court justice in a later ruling, but there is no constitutional separation of church and state in the U.S. The constitution only says there will be no favoritism of one religion over another.

    I am an atheist, btw. Have been all my life. Religion is not a part of my life and hasn't been since I was a kid. I am also a politically independent, never been a Democrat or Republican. I think both parties are very flawed.


    Thanks for the clarity on Church and State. Having been to the USA, and taking notice of some of your politics. I've been confused many a times with the separation, of Church, and State. Because so many times it has seemed not to be separated at all.

    Your Christain belt, full of happy clappers, seem to have a strong political pull, and influence with in the US of A's politics. I was interested if the Mormon whom was running got in, how would he ever be able to separate Church and State, as to be a Mormon, is to be religious 24/7, and not just once a wek, or when ever you went to church.
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    Aug 27, 2008 4:03 AM GMT
    I would happily donate to retire her campaign debt, but she made about $120 million more than I did in the last 8 years. She lives in a multi-million dollar house, mine is worth slightly less. She and her husband will make about 10,000 times my earnings in their lifetimes. As a Senator and a former First Lady, she will have around the clock protection and car service. I drive myself with a can of pepper spray just in case. She has life-time health care for her family, which I am already paying for. I pay for my own.

    Can someone tell me where to send her my check?
  • EricLA

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    Aug 27, 2008 4:04 AM GMT
    Wow, I agree with Pattison.

    But, I think the Bible Belt would have had trouble voting for Romney. I just think his religion is to "other" for America to wrap its head around.
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    Aug 27, 2008 4:12 AM GMT
    Religious groups have always had political pull. There is nothing wrong with that. Martin Luther King, Jr. used the pulpit of the Southern Baptists. It moved Civil Rights legislation forward. Religious people here have every right to get behind a candidate or movement. The Temperance movement was religious based. In fact, the end of slavery was pushed forward by religions. There is absolutely no rule here in the US against a religion supporting a candidate.

    There are strict rules about campaigning. Churches are not supposed to support a particular candidate as they have benefits from being non-profit religious institutes. They have tax benefits. But in reality, all churches, right, left and center cros the line.
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    Aug 27, 2008 4:18 AM GMT
    "Wow, I agree with Pattison.

    But, I think the Bible Belt would have had trouble voting for Romney. I just think his religion is to "other" for America to wrap its head around"

    Probably. But really, if you look at the polling and numbers and demographics, the Bible Belt really does not exist like it did 15 years ago. Young people everywhere think for themselves. Maybe for the next 10 years people in the Bible Belt will only vote for a Christian white candidate, but then again Californians will only vote for a Democrat. So, maybe we are the beach belt of Democrats. Although we do have Arnold!!!
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    Aug 27, 2008 4:24 AM GMT
    I just listened to Hillary's speech again for the third time on MSNBC.

    I think I have a new personal rule: When Keith Olberman actually masturbates during a speech, I have to wonder. Thank God I was not watching in 3-D.
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    Aug 27, 2008 5:24 AM GMT
    EricLA saidWow, I agree with Pattison.

    But, I think the Bible Belt would have had trouble voting for Romney. I just think his religion is to "other" for America to wrap its head around.


    Thats OK. I don't always agree with One either. That would be way to boring.