Log Cabin Republicans And GOProud Struggle For Future Of LGBT People In The GOP Party

  • metta

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    Oct 01, 2012 4:20 PM GMT
    Log Cabin Republicans And GOProud Struggle For Future Of LGBT People In The GOP Party



    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/01/log-cabin-republicans-goproud-gop-party_n_1901266.html



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    Oct 01, 2012 5:01 PM GMT
    "But GOProud doesn’t see Romney’s positions on gay rights as an obstacle. Like many other conservatives this election cycle, GOProud supports Romney in large part because he isn’t Obama. “Gay people are living in the disastrous failed Obama economy too,” said LaSalvia in a press release announcing the group’s decision."

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  • TroyAthlete

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    Oct 01, 2012 5:08 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said"But GOProud doesn’t see Romney’s positions on gay rights as an obstacle. Like many other conservatives this election cycle, GOProud supports Romney in large part because he isn’t Obama. “Gay people are living in the disastrous failed Obama economy too,” said LaSalvia in a press release announcing the group’s decision."

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    Translation: "Who cares about silly stuff like freedom, equality, and universal human rights -- the bedrock principles of American democracy -- as long as I get a $50 tax cut?"

    Anyone who would sell out their freedom for money deserves neither.
  • TheBizMan

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    Oct 01, 2012 5:10 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said"But GOProud doesn’t see Romney’s positions on gay rights as an obstacle. Like many other conservatives this election cycle, GOProud supports Romney in large part because he isn’t Obama.Gay people are living in the disastrous failed Obama economy too,” said LaSalvia in a press release announcing the group’s decision."

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    Such a dumb justification on their part.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Oct 01, 2012 5:18 PM GMT
    TheBizMan said
    freedomisntfree said"But GOProud doesn’t see Romney’s positions on gay rights as an obstacle. Like many other conservatives this election cycle, GOProud supports Romney in large part because he isn’t Obama.Gay people are living in the disastrous failed Obama economy too,” said LaSalvia in a press release announcing the group’s decision."

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    Such a dumb justification on their part.


    Sad indeed.......

  • metta

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    Oct 01, 2012 5:31 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete said
    freedomisntfree said"But GOProud doesn’t see Romney’s positions on gay rights as an obstacle. Like many other conservatives this election cycle, GOProud supports Romney in large part because he isn’t Obama. “Gay people are living in the disastrous failed Obama economy too,” said LaSalvia in a press release announcing the group’s decision."

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    Translation: "Who cares about silly stuff like freedom, equality, and universal human rights -- the bedrock principles of American democracy -- as long as I get a $50 tax cut?"

    Anyone who would sell out their freedom for money deserves neither.



    It is not the first time that has been done before in history. Too bad we don't always learn from past mistakes.
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    Oct 01, 2012 6:42 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete said
    freedomisntfree said"But GOProud doesn’t see Romney’s positions on gay rights as an obstacle. Like many other conservatives this election cycle, GOProud supports Romney in large part because he isn’t Obama. “Gay people are living in the disastrous failed Obama economy too,” said LaSalvia in a press release announcing the group’s decision."

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    Translation: "Who cares about silly stuff like freedom, equality, and universal human rights -- the bedrock principles of American democracy -- as long as I get a $50 tax cut?"

    Anyone who would sell out their freedom for money deserves neither.


    I have plenty of freedom. No complaints there.

    Except that which we lose to overregulation.
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    Oct 01, 2012 6:47 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said"But GOProud doesn’t see Romney’s positions on gay rights as an obstacle. Like many other conservatives this election cycle, GOProud supports Romney in large part because he isn’t Obama black. “Gay people are living in the disastrous failed Obama economy too,” said LaSalvia in a press release announcing the group’s decision."

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    Fixed...
  • StevieB0402

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    Oct 01, 2012 7:17 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    TroyAthlete said
    freedomisntfree said"But GOProud doesn’t see Romney’s positions on gay rights as an obstacle. Like many other conservatives this election cycle, GOProud supports Romney in large part because he isn’t Obama. “Gay people are living in the disastrous failed Obama economy too,” said LaSalvia in a press release announcing the group’s decision."

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    Translation: "Who cares about silly stuff like freedom, equality, and universal human rights -- the bedrock principles of American democracy -- as long as I get a $50 tax cut?"

    Anyone who would sell out their freedom for money deserves neither.


    I have plenty of freedom. No complaints there.

    Except that which we lose to overregulation.


    because lack of regulation had nothing to do with the financial crisis.
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    Oct 01, 2012 7:20 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    freedomisntfree said"But GOProud doesn’t see Romney’s positions on gay rights as an obstacle. Like many other conservatives this election cycle, GOProud supports Romney in large part because he isn’t Obama black. “Gay people are living in the disastrous failed Obama economy too,” said LaSalvia in a press release announcing the group’s decision."

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    Fixed...


    Far from it.
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    Oct 01, 2012 7:24 PM GMT
    StevieB0402 said
    freedomisntfree said
    TroyAthlete said
    freedomisntfree said"But GOProud doesn’t see Romney’s positions on gay rights as an obstacle. Like many other conservatives this election cycle, GOProud supports Romney in large part because he isn’t Obama. “Gay people are living in the disastrous failed Obama economy too,” said LaSalvia in a press release announcing the group’s decision."

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    Translation: "Who cares about silly stuff like freedom, equality, and universal human rights -- the bedrock principles of American democracy -- as long as I get a $50 tax cut?"

    Anyone who would sell out their freedom for money deserves neither.


    I have plenty of freedom. No complaints there.

    Except that which we lose to overregulation.


    because lack of regulation had nothing to do with the financial crisis.


    You mean the repeal of glass steagall in 1999 that passed by something like 95-3 in the senate and signed by Bill Clinton or the over regulation by something like the CRA passed in 1977 by the dems and signed by jimmy Cater?
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    Oct 01, 2012 8:08 PM GMT
    Oh no, it was (gasp) "predatory lending". You know, the banks broke down people's doors and forced them at gunpoint to sign mortgage applications. icon_rolleyes.gif
  • roadbikeRob

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    Oct 01, 2012 10:31 PM GMT
    The only way to revitalize the GOP , is to permanently evict both the war mongering, imperialistic neocons and the narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs. Otherwise, the GOP is in very serious trouble.
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    Oct 01, 2012 10:54 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete said
    freedomisntfree said"But GOProud doesn’t see Romney’s positions on gay rights as an obstacle. Like many other conservatives this election cycle, GOProud supports Romney in large part because he isn’t Obama. “Gay people are living in the disastrous failed Obama economy too,” said LaSalvia in a press release announcing the group’s decision."

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    Translation: "Who cares about silly stuff like freedom, equality, and universal human rights -- the bedrock principles of American democracy -- as long as I get a $50 tax cut?"

    Anyone who would sell out their freedom for money deserves neither.



    The world is coming to an end....I'm agreeing with TA. icon_eek.gif
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    Oct 01, 2012 11:22 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    TroyAthlete said
    freedomisntfree said"But GOProud doesn’t see Romney’s positions on gay rights as an obstacle. Like many other conservatives this election cycle, GOProud supports Romney in large part because he isn’t Obama. “Gay people are living in the disastrous failed Obama economy too,” said LaSalvia in a press release announcing the group’s decision."

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    Translation: "Who cares about silly stuff like freedom, equality, and universal human rights -- the bedrock principles of American democracy -- as long as I get a $50 tax cut?"

    Anyone who would sell out their freedom for money deserves neither.


    I have plenty of freedom. No complaints there.

    Except that which we lose to overregulation.



    You mean you have plenty of freedom for YOUR current needs. What if you had a partner who became terminally ill? Do you realize the hospital administration can legally prevent you from seeing your dying partner because you're not considered immediate family? Maybe that's not important to you, but it is very important for many people. Who knows....it might even be important to you one day. Be careful of sitting idly by as people neglect to give you every right as every other citizen. It can be a very slippery slope.
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    Oct 02, 2012 12:06 AM GMT
    Those days are over, we have healthcare proxys now.
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    Oct 02, 2012 1:10 AM GMT
    Scruffypup said
    freedomisntfree said
    TroyAthlete said
    freedomisntfree said"But GOProud doesn’t see Romney’s positions on gay rights as an obstacle. Like many other conservatives this election cycle, GOProud supports Romney in large part because he isn’t Obama. “Gay people are living in the disastrous failed Obama economy too,” said LaSalvia in a press release announcing the group’s decision."

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    Translation: "Who cares about silly stuff like freedom, equality, and universal human rights -- the bedrock principles of American democracy -- as long as I get a $50 tax cut?"

    Anyone who would sell out their freedom for money deserves neither.


    I have plenty of freedom. No complaints there.

    Except that which we lose to overregulation.



    You mean you have plenty of freedom for YOUR current needs. What if you had a partner who became terminally ill? Do you realize the hospital administration can legally prevent you from seeing your dying partner because you're not considered immediate family? Maybe that's not important to you, but it is very important for many people. Who knows....it might even be important to you one day. Be careful of sitting idly by as people neglect to give you every right as every other citizen. It can be a very slippery slope.


    I would never enter into a partnership. I'm a sole proprietor and i prefer it that way. If i ever did something like that it would be as a LLC and only as managing member. The management agreement would cover those issues.
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    Oct 02, 2012 7:00 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    Scruffypup said
    freedomisntfree said
    TroyAthlete said
    freedomisntfree said"But GOProud doesn’t see Romney’s positions on gay rights as an obstacle. Like many other conservatives this election cycle, GOProud supports Romney in large part because he isn’t Obama. “Gay people are living in the disastrous failed Obama economy too,” said LaSalvia in a press release announcing the group’s decision."

    +


    Translation: "Who cares about silly stuff like freedom, equality, and universal human rights -- the bedrock principles of American democracy -- as long as I get a $50 tax cut?"

    Anyone who would sell out their freedom for money deserves neither.


    I have plenty of freedom. No complaints there.

    Except that which we lose to overregulation.



    You mean you have plenty of freedom for YOUR current needs. What if you had a partner who became terminally ill? Do you realize the hospital administration can legally prevent you from seeing your dying partner because you're not considered immediate family? Maybe that's not important to you, but it is very important for many people. Who knows....it might even be important to you one day. Be careful of sitting idly by as people neglect to give you every right as every other citizen. It can be a very slippery slope.


    I would never enter into a partnership. I'm a sole proprietor and i prefer it that way. If i ever did something like that it would be as a LLC and only as managing member. The management agreement would cover those issues.



    Sadly, I'm not even sure if you're being facetious or not.
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    Oct 02, 2012 10:03 AM GMT
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2012/10/01/in-debate-romney-has-economy-on-his-side/1607015/

    "Corporations are sitting on nearly $2 trillion in cash and other liquid assets (not counting an additional $1.2 trillion in overseas accounts that they'd be able to bring home under Romney's tax plan).

    Meanwhile, investors feel the same way. "Risk aversion is at unprecedented levels," this newspaper recently reported. "Cash, which guarantees a return of 0%, is one of the new must-have investments." Roughly $9.4 trillion is sitting in money market funds and similar accounts because no one knows what will happen next.
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    Oct 02, 2012 10:12 AM GMT
    Scruffypup said
    freedomisntfree said
    Scruffypup said
    freedomisntfree said
    TroyAthlete said
    freedomisntfree said"But GOProud doesn’t see Romney’s positions on gay rights as an obstacle. Like many other conservatives this election cycle, GOProud supports Romney in large part because he isn’t Obama. “Gay people are living in the disastrous failed Obama economy too,” said LaSalvia in a press release announcing the group’s decision."

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    Translation: "Who cares about silly stuff like freedom, equality, and universal human rights -- the bedrock principles of American democracy -- as long as I get a $50 tax cut?"

    Anyone who would sell out their freedom for money deserves neither.


    I have plenty of freedom. No complaints there.

    Except that which we lose to overregulation.



    You mean you have plenty of freedom for YOUR current needs. What if you had a partner who became terminally ill? Do you realize the hospital administration can legally prevent you from seeing your dying partner because you're not considered immediate family? Maybe that's not important to you, but it is very important for many people. Who knows....it might even be important to you one day. Be careful of sitting idly by as people neglect to give you every right as every other citizen. It can be a very slippery slope.


    I would never enter into a partnership. I'm a sole proprietor and i prefer it that way. If i ever did something like that it would be as a LLC and only as managing member. The management agreement would cover those issues.



    Sadly, I'm not even sure if you're being facetious or not.


    What's wrong with a LLC versus a partnership?
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    Oct 02, 2012 11:24 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidhttp://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2012/10/01/in-debate-romney-has-economy-on-his-side/1607015/

    "Corporations are sitting on nearly $2 trillion in cash and other liquid assets (not counting an additional $1.2 trillion in overseas accounts that they'd be able to bring home under Romney's tax plan).

    Meanwhile, investors feel the same way. "Risk aversion is at unprecedented levels," this newspaper recently reported. "Cash, which guarantees a return of 0%, is one of the new must-have investments." Roughly $9.4 trillion is sitting in money market funds and similar accounts because no one knows what will happen next.
    "


    Wrong---they're sitting on that cash BECAUSE THERE'S A LACK OF DEMAND.

    Rather elementary economics.
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    Oct 02, 2012 1:11 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree saidhttp://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2012/10/01/in-debate-romney-has-economy-on-his-side/1607015/

    "Corporations are sitting on nearly $2 trillion in cash and other liquid assets (not counting an additional $1.2 trillion in overseas accounts that they'd be able to bring home under Romney's tax plan).

    Meanwhile, investors feel the same way. "Risk aversion is at unprecedented levels," this newspaper recently reported. "Cash, which guarantees a return of 0%, is one of the new must-have investments." Roughly $9.4 trillion is sitting in money market funds and similar accounts because no one knows what will happen next.
    "


    Dow Jones was $7,544 in February 2009.

    Now its $13,220.




    White4darker, business cycles happen ... always have, always will.
  • StevieB0402

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    Oct 02, 2012 2:15 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    Scruffypup said
    freedomisntfree said
    TroyAthlete said
    freedomisntfree said"But GOProud doesn’t see Romney’s positions on gay rights as an obstacle. Like many other conservatives this election cycle, GOProud supports Romney in large part because he isn’t Obama. “Gay people are living in the disastrous failed Obama economy too,” said LaSalvia in a press release announcing the group’s decision."

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    Translation: "Who cares about silly stuff like freedom, equality, and universal human rights -- the bedrock principles of American democracy -- as long as I get a $50 tax cut?"

    Anyone who would sell out their freedom for money deserves neither.


    I have plenty of freedom. No complaints there.

    Except that which we lose to overregulation.



    You mean you have plenty of freedom for YOUR current needs. What if you had a partner who became terminally ill? Do you realize the hospital administration can legally prevent you from seeing your dying partner because you're not considered immediate family? Maybe that's not important to you, but it is very important for many people. Who knows....it might even be important to you one day. Be careful of sitting idly by as people neglect to give you every right as every other citizen. It can be a very slippery slope.


    I would never enter into a partnership. I'm a sole proprietor and i prefer it that way. If i ever did something like that it would be as a LLC and only as managing member. The management agreement would cover those issues.


    Awhile back I wrote a piece on gay republicans and marriage rights, basically outlining that they value money over people and relationships. This LLC answer is akin to Mitt's "47%" comment. Now we know what they're really thinking and its refreshing to actually see it in print . "A romantic partner? Why such a thought never occured to me."

    As to Clinton and Carter's guilt regarding deregulation, I never said it was the republicans fault, yet your first response was "oh yeah, well look at what those guys did". A little childish dont you think? Kinda like telling your parents your brother didnt finish his chores to distract from the fact that you didnt finish your homework. There's plenty of blame to attach to both parties, but I wasnt speaking for a party, merely observing what has happened as a whole.

    I liked Clinton but there were some things he did that just made me want to shake my head in dismay. However, it was your assertion that overregulation is inhibiting your freedoms yet we know from even the most cursory glance at history that left to their own devices, much will have more regardless of who gets hurt, even an entire country. One could also assume that if a person is in favor of deregulation and balancing a budget, then he would have to say that Bill Clinton was the best president we've had in the last 20 years. Unless of course that person was a partisan hypocrite.
  • StevieB0402

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    Oct 02, 2012 3:06 PM GMT
    Blakes7 saidThose days are over, we have healthcare proxys now.


    Three problems with that statement:

    (1) to be legal you have to able to afford to draw it up, notarize it and have it filed with the courts.

    (2) you have to take all of your legal documents with you wherever you go because one never knows where and when misfortune will strike and

    (3) obviously you've not watched the news and seen the lawsuit a gay couple is filing against a florida hospital when one partner was denied access despite the fact that she had the appropriate paperwork to support her medical power of attorney claim. Here's an excerpt from the NewYorkTimes:

    Janice Langbehn, a social worker in Lacey, Wash., whose partner of 18 years, Lisa Pond, collapsed with an aneurysm during a Florida vacation and was taken to a Miami trauma center, where she later died. Although Ms. Langbehn was traveling with paperwork giving her legal rights during a medical emergency, she tried in vain for hours to persuade hospital officials to let her and the couple’s adopted children visit Ms. Pond.


    Unfortunately, "those days" are far from over.
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    Oct 02, 2012 7:37 PM GMT
    Just because it apparently happened to one couple doesn't mean it happens all the time. The legal protections are in place. And if their story is true, I hope they sue the hell out of the hospital. Many in Florida are still ass-backwards.