Ravens' Matt Birk voices opposition to gay marriage

  • metta

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    Oct 02, 2012 5:54 AM GMT



    Ravens' Matt Birk voices opposition to gay marriage


    http://www.wgrz.com/usatoday/sports/1605365/Ravens-Matt-Birk-voices-opposition-to-gay-marriage?usatref=sportsmod


    http://www.facebook.com/matt.birk77

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Matt-Birks-HIKE-Foundation/283530222263

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    Oct 02, 2012 1:35 PM GMT
    He's smart but smart enough to avoid beating around the bush. Also why does he even care about Minnesota? He left a long time ago, and closed his bar in the process.
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    Oct 02, 2012 1:44 PM GMT


    While he wasn't looking, the world moved on.
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    Oct 02, 2012 1:53 PM GMT
    I love how he positions himself as a "victim". The new narrative is always "free speech" and "victimization".
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    Oct 02, 2012 1:57 PM GMT
    Dallasfan824 saidI love how he positions himself as a "victim". The new narrative is always "free speech" and "victimization".


    That and his 'think of the children' stuff...just not the gay ones.
  • BigBen2193

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    Oct 02, 2012 2:03 PM GMT
    It seems that this argument, along with many others, are confusing the right to free speech with the expectation to be listened to at all times. No one is stopping those who oppose same sex marriage from saying what they have to say but the Constitution says nothing about people having to listen to a word you say, just that you can say it. If laws were passed only when they didn't have people vocally opposing them there would almost none.

    So yes, freedom of speech protects the right to speak out against gay marriage for whoever wants to, but it also protects the opinions of those responding to you whether positive or negative. If those in opposition don't' want to get called a "bigot," they shouldn't say things that could put themselves in that position. And for every person who was ever called a bigot, I'm sure that at least one person has been called a "faggot" or some other offensive name under the guise of freedom of speech. Rights aren't a one-way street going whichever direction a person agrees with. They goes both ways and if someone doesn't want to deal with that then they can stay in the house and never talk to anyone again.

    Also the "preserving societal values for our children" argument is just lazy...as is this commentary on it. It blows.
  • NashRugger

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    Oct 02, 2012 2:04 PM GMT
    Dallasfan824 saidI love how he positions himself as a "victim". The new narrative is always "free speech" and "victimization".

    pretty much
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    Oct 02, 2012 2:11 PM GMT
    The good news: any of the righties that believe their opposition to marriage equality is being silenced needs only look at this Star Tribune editorial by 6-time Pro Bowler Matt Birk, who currently sits just a few locker room stalls away from the Ravens' Brendon Ayanbadejo... also, he's the former teammate of Chris Kluwe with the Vikings. For anyone else who believes marriage equality is a concept unilaterally embraced by the elite college-educated crowd, Birk went to school at Harvard.

    So, here we go again, let's sing it together: "Won't anybody think of the children?"

    Matt BirkSame-sex unions may not affect my marriage specifically, but it will affect my children -- the next generation. Ideas have consequences, and laws shape culture. Marriage redefinition will affect the broader well-being of children and the welfare of society. As a Christian and a citizen, I am compelled to care about both.


    You're compelled to care, Matthew... but not to be concernstipated. Care enough for equality so that if your children (or your neighbor's or teammates') come out, they'll be able to enjoy the human rights freely given to you and your family.

    And since when are only persons of Christian faith (or, heck, any faith) compelled to "care" about who someone else wants to wed? If you're "compelled," it's not by any of Jeebus' words, it's by the people who interpret J.C. (usually via Paul) for your convenience.

    Matt BirkI am speaking out on this issue because it is far too important to remain silent. People who are simply acknowledging the basic reality of marriage between one man and one woman are being labeled as "bigots" and "homophobic." Aren't we past that as a society?

    Don't we all have family members and friends whom we love who have same-sex attraction? Attempting to silence those who may disagree with you is always un-American, but especially when it is through name-calling, it has no place in respectful conversation.


    Can somebody point to the moment the word 'bigot' became an epithet, a label rather than an oft-too-apt descriptor? If he was so concerned with 'labels', there's a far more demeaning utterance, one that also ends in '-got,' that creates an awful lot more havoc across the globe. Maybe he can champion the fight against those actual labels??? Has anyone been tied to a fence post and battered to death for being a "bigot" yet? You're clutching the wrong pearls, Matthew! Ask those friends and family members who you "love" about labels!

    Acknowledging one's OWN basic reality doesn't require diminishing everyone else's. Unless, of course, your homophobic Christofsacist robot-handlers "compel" you to do so.

    And there's that "I have family and friends who are gay, so don't please call me bigoted" shield. It's as if you can buy that off the rack these days.

    "Haven't we all tried helping our friends and families 'deal' with their 'same-sex attraction' through the warming love of Christ Jeebus?" is what Matt is really trying to ask. GLBT people capable of finding, establishing, and acknowledging lifelong legal partnerships diminishes the ability for him and his religious puppeteers to proselytize all those "single" people out there.

    Matt BirkA defense of marriage is not meant as an offense to any person or group. All people should be afforded their inalienable American freedoms. There is no opposition between providing basic human rights to everyone and preserving marriage as the sacred union of one man and one woman.


    Ah, the "I don't mean to offend ANYBODY ANYWHERE ANYTIME" shield! He's pulling out all the stops, folks!

    If "one man and one woman" is so sacred to you as a marriage, then don't marry a man, Matthew! It's that simple. "Sacred" and "civil" are separate words for a reason. Such prescriptive covenants may not be so sacred to your children, your neighbor's children, your teammate's children, or your neighbors and teammates themselves. So... can we at least agree to be "civil" about it, since that's what you claim to want?

    A St. Paul native, Matt thought that portraying himself as a kinder, gentler David Tyree would earn him brownie points amongst the bigoted bourgeoisie trying to steer Minnesotans' momentum away from equality. Instead, he's proven himself no more persuasive than the BYU lawyer with his soft-hate-porn-filled word salad from last week. As Matt's Ecclesiastes verse says, "there is nothing new under the sun."

    This won't come as a surprise to Ayanbadejo, who repeatedly acknowledges that teammates are across the spectrum on this issue, but many more are now willing to openly discuss and come to understand the stance he's taking. I trust they'll have a respectful chat if they haven't already.
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    Oct 02, 2012 3:02 PM GMT
    2011 NFL Man of the Year. Just look at all those at-risk kids in Taneytown, Maryland! Hopefully he recognizes he can do these good deeds because it's the right thing to do as "a citizen," not merely because "as a Christian."

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d826ed145/2011-Walter-Payton-NFL-Man-of-the-Year-Matt-Birk

    Also, 2010 selection in Sporting News' 20 Smartest Athletes in Sports. Because Harvard, dontcha know?!? #norepeatforyou

    http://aol.sportingnews.com/mlb/feed/2010-09/smart-athletes/story/sporting-news-names-the-20-smartest-athletes-in-sports
  • roadbikeRob

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    Oct 02, 2012 3:10 PM GMT
    I am so sick and damned tired of all these christians stomping their feet and screaming at the top of their lungs that gay marriage will abridge their freedom of religion and expression. What a bunch of hyperbole. Evidently Matt Birk got spanked on his ass too hard out on the football field while in Minnesota. People in Minnesota should tell him to mind his own damn business. Furthermore, Maryland is facing a similar referendum this fall on gay marriage. Why doesn't Mr. Birk concern himself with that one instead of trying to dictate to the people of Minnesota. What an asshole.
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    Oct 02, 2012 3:16 PM GMT
    Matt BirkAll people should be afforded their inalienable American freedoms.


    DO I EVEN NEED TO COMMENT??? Gay men and women are being DENIED freedoms as Americans... Stick to athletics, buddy!
  • roadbikeRob

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    Oct 02, 2012 3:23 PM GMT
    Apex0111 said
    Matt BirkAll people should be afforded their inalienable American freedoms.


    DO I EVEN NEED TO COMMENT??? Gay men and women are being DENIED freedoms as Americans... Stick to athletics, buddy!
    I agree 100%.
  • dancedancekj

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    Oct 02, 2012 3:23 PM GMT
    Read the excellent response by Chris Kluwe: http://deadspin.com/5948040/
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    Oct 02, 2012 3:30 PM GMT
    I'm actually happy that this issue is being talked about in NFL locker rooms...trust that was not case 20 years ago. The word "gay" would have never even been said in an NFL locker room in the 80's.

    Next big step is for a current pro athlete - or major college athlete for that matter - to compete openly as a gay man...I feel like my generation has made that rough step in the business world and in the military, but the sporting arena is still not there yet...young stud athletes on the site...STEP UP and STEP OUT!!!! (yes, I'm talking to you Mr. TEBOW!)
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    Oct 02, 2012 3:37 PM GMT
    dancedancekj saidRead the excellent response by Chris Kluwe: http://deadspin.com/5948040/


    ((braces myself first before reading)) icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 02, 2012 3:39 PM GMT
    I am so sick of this "free speech" argument every time one of those opposed to marriage equality discuss it. You voiced your opinion that you don't support same-sex marriage and others voiced their opinion that they think you are wrong. That's how free speech works.
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    Oct 02, 2012 4:01 PM GMT
    Iceblink saidI am so sick of this "free speech" argument every time one of those opposed to marriage equality discuss it. You voiced your opinion that you don't support same-sex marriage and others voiced their opinion that they think you are wrong. That's how free speech works.
    The whole free speech argument against gay marriage is a bunch of hyperbole.
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    Oct 02, 2012 4:09 PM GMT
    dancedancekj saidRead the excellent response by Chris Kluwe: http://deadspin.com/5948040/


    Chris knows better than to call his old crossword buddy Matt a fromunda stain! icon_razz.gif

    Brilliant, as always!

    I was going to say beforehand, "I hope Chris doesn't now feel the urge to have to singularly respond to every last homophobic commentary that pops up in the world." But you know what? Apparently it's not as if the Matt Birks of the world are reading any of them. If he had, the Crimson-educated lineman wouldn't have felt so "compelled" to put his half-thoughts on full display in the paper.

    Not that I wish Matt hadn't. He's better off getting that mental cabbage out of his system, and we're all better off taking that and turning it into slaw.

    Chris will be unfairly seen as the Champion of Teh Gheys. But really, what he's doing is helping set the stage for our more sensible straight allies, the "Straight But Not Narrow" crowd, to find the intestinal fortitude to stand up whenever colleagues express bigotry-steeped views. They don't need somebody who's LGBT within earshot anymore to feel obligated to respond, they don't need our permission to respond. And he's literally handing out the arrows to stash inside their quivers of logic.

    Lest some worry he's writing checks with his pen that his foot can't cash, Kluwe blasted two punts pinning the Lions back inside the 10 last weekend during the Vikings' win in Detroit, including one with under two minutes left that landed at the opponents' 2-yard line with the Lions needing a touchdown to tie. So far, all this advocacy isn't harming the Vikings (3-1 despite being resoundingly picked for last place) one bit.
  • coolarmydude

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    Oct 02, 2012 4:29 PM GMT
    ...Same-sex unions may not affect my marriage specifically, but it will affect my children -- the next generation. Ideas have consequences, and laws shape culture. Marriage redefinition will affect the broader well-being of children and the welfare of society.

    How? And what are the consequences? Not a rational person can answer this impossible assumption.
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    Oct 02, 2012 4:48 PM GMT
    I'm a philosophical nitwit myself, but the "Ideas Have Consequences" meme comes courtesy of Richard Weaver (1948 ), in a treatise blasting nominalism (which rejects universalism, the "absolute truth") for eroding Western civilization and morality. Set in that light, it's not surprising to see where Birk's mindset is based.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideas_Have_Consequences

    And if Matt thinks his "ideas" don't come across as ghost-written, here's a Valentine's Day (!) 2011 commentary, "In Defense of Marriage: Law and Reality" from our good friend MAGGIE GALLAGHER of NOM. (I swear if I never have to open up National Review again, I will have lived a charmed existence)

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/259681/defense-marriage-law-and-reality-kathryn-jean-lopez

    SlaggieTo me, it’s amazing, given the array of forces pushing for gay marriage and the weak response of most conservative politicians, that the American people have stubbornly dug in their heels on this question: Are two men in a union a marriage?

    The answer is “no,” and people really do know it. Marriage is the union of husband and wife — for a reason. Creating a world where people are treated like haters or bigots for standing for marriage is irrational, and people know that, too. An America in which Genesis is akin to racism is an America that will be unrecognizable. Ideas have consequences, and this idea cuts us off from our roots and makes the future much harder.


    "There is nothing new under the sun."

    Matt derives his "laws shaping culture" fears from the likes of side-eye-producing guys like Ross Douthat:

    http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/10/law-culture-and-same-sex-marriage/

    Ross Douthat (NY Times)Here again, public policy, rather than some deep empirical or philosophical truth about the relative harm of nicotine versus alcohol, has been a crucial factor in shaping cultural norms.

    And the same is true, inevitably, of marriage law. Culture shapes law, of course: Judge Walker’s decision last week would be unimaginable without the cultural shift that’s made gay marriage seem first plausible and then necessary to many people. But law tends to turn around and shape culture right back. And this is particularly true when the law in question is constitutional law, because constitutional rights carry a distinctive legal weight and an even more distinctive cultural freight. (To take just one example, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the cultural space for making a moral critique of pornography has shrunk apace in the decades since the Supreme Court expanded First Amendment protections for pornographers, and limited the reach of obscenity laws.)


    As far as "shaping culture" is concerned, athletes can shape culture, too. Don't believe me, Matt, listen to the a director of athletics for a Christian College in, wouldn't you know it, St. Paul, Minnesota! (I'm guessing he and Matt have had this exact discussion already.)

    http://www.faithandfitness.net/node/94

    Dr. Matt Hill (Northwestern College)Making a difference, shaping culture, it starts with us.

    So what can we do to make a difference in this culture? Christ has given each of us talents and a command in Matthew {COMMENT: No relation} to “go into all the world and spread the good news.”


    If I have to choose between laws and jocks shaping culture in a democratic society, I'll take the laws, thank you!
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    Oct 02, 2012 4:53 PM GMT
    Can he still be charged will plagiarism by Harvard?????
  • metta

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    Oct 02, 2012 8:43 PM GMT
    Matt Birk, Baltimore Ravens Center, Makes Anti-Gay Marriage Ad For Catholic Church

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/02/matt-birk-baltimore-ravens-anti-gay-marriage-catholic-ad_n_1932430.html





    "genderless marriage "
  • HottJoe

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    Oct 02, 2012 9:23 PM GMT
    He's just in the closet.

    /thread.
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    Oct 02, 2012 9:40 PM GMT
    I really want to marry Chris Kluwe. icon_smile.gif

    And when one of Birk's children end up coming out gay, that is called Karma.
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    Oct 02, 2012 9:59 PM GMT
    This is interesting- Matt Birk's sister-in-law, Dana Birk posted the following on Chris Kluwe's response:

    Dana BirkChris, I am Matt's sister in-law and have been trying to form my own response to him. I don't know if I'll share my response publicly for many reasons, but you said all and more of what I wanted to say. If only I could write as well as you. Thank you for your respectful and well-pointed response.
    Dana Birk