What do you NON-U.S. citizens think about the election?

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    Aug 27, 2008 1:40 AM GMT
    A U.S. former government official was quoted as saying

    Former official"that the next president will need to work to restore America's standing in the world.

    "I will ultimately vote for the person I believe brings to the American people the kind of vision the American people want to see for the next four years," he said. "A vision that reaches out to the rest of the world, that starts to restore confidence in America, that starts to restore favorable ratings to America. Frankly, we've lost a lot in recent years."


    Of the presidential candidates, who do you think would interact and deal with your home country the best? Who would be better accepted and restore the U.S.'s standing in your eyes? Please give us your analysis/feelings.
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    Aug 27, 2008 1:42 AM GMT
    Would John McCain interact well with ANY country? I think not icon_biggrin.gif
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    Aug 27, 2008 1:48 AM GMT
    the truth is good! but I thought you might have more to say icon_cry.gif lol
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    Aug 27, 2008 1:48 AM GMT

    Well, we find US politics very polarized - two parties only.
    You're either aaaalllllll the way left or aaaallllllll the way right.

    Obama as prez would tell the world the US is progressive, for obvious reasons, being a man of colour the main one.

    - those two Canadians
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    Aug 27, 2008 1:58 AM GMT
    Hey, you guys aren't the only ones having an election you know. We will very likely be having one up here in Canada any day now. icon_wink.gif

    I am undecided as far as the US choices go. Mcain isn't Bush and seems pretty resonable in a lot of ways. Obama has charisma but not a lot of weight to the resume, and progressives can be prone wandering into strange tangents.
    Obama seems willing to pander to overt protectionism, while Mcain seems willing to maintain the current less blatent protectionism, which is a point in his favour. Neither seem likely to actually live up the the Free Trade Agreement, but Mcain is closer.

    So yeah, I don't know.

    But restore the US standing? Neither of them are Bush, and even Mcain isn't as nutbar as Bush, so either is a good start.

    But up here I am torn about ours to. Don't like Harper or Dion and I can't just take the rest seriously.
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    Aug 27, 2008 2:05 AM GMT
    Thanks for your opinions so far guys, hope we get more icon_smile.gif
  • Thirdbeach

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    Aug 27, 2008 4:22 AM GMT
    I have always thought that the US system of either/or a bit odd. But I guess it leads to a lot of "Swing Voters" that are mentioned in the new.

    My opinion of this US election... Just get on with it. It seems way more dragged out than it needs to be.
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    Aug 27, 2008 5:23 AM GMT
    I wrote a bit of an essay about this, but it was too long and uninteresting, so, here's my edited version.

    McCain - too old, with life experiences irrelevant to the world in which Americans and the rest of us want to live.
    - A representative of a party which has spread human rights abuses across the globe. And there can be no justification for a democratic country to do that.
    - I'd rather have someone younger, and from a different party.

    Obama - young, maybe inexperienced - but no one has the experience to be president anyway.
    - At some level he is from a minority, and that can only be good for reversing some of the problems in America.
    - BUT, he's overwhelmingly likely to be assassinated by racist Americans.

    Biden - As Obama's replacement - don't know him from a bar of soap, but I hope he really is ready to be president because I think he's who you'll ultimately be voting for.

    America's reputation has been badly damaged in the world. The world needs a US president able to clean up George Bush's mess, both out in the world, and at home. I think Obama will be the new broom that sweeps clean.

    More than anything though, whoever you think should be president, I want you to vote. This is a bloody important decision for the world and for you. You have no right to complain if you did not vote.
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    Aug 27, 2008 5:28 AM GMT
    Okay, coming from another US ally, and a nation that actually idolizes the US. The most important thing is for the US to regain respect in the eyes of the other countries. It had all been downhill for a while now. The US is beginning to get the role of the villain in a lot of people's minds.

    And yeah, though I hate to admit it. Obama isn't much different from McCain. Both tread on eggshells when it comes to truly sensitive issues, like the one I most care about - gay rights. They're really putting out a very negative image by being double standard about it. A lot of the other progressive countries have moved on with it, with little impact to their voting public. To Americans, gay rights seem to be treated like sex education for kids. No one wants to touch it, but it's really not that hard to just get on with it. Even my straight friends from all over the world say that America being the 'land of the free' is really quite ironic. An American I knew from Missouri or something went so far as to say that if I wanted to immigrate, better not choose the US, especially since I was gay. He was thinking seriously of moving to Canada too. Hah.

    America is getting old. Too rigid. Too imperialistic. It's time they start catching up with the rest of the free world and start giving a damn about how they impact other nations.

    I'd still say Obama. Republicans just don't sit well with me. Heavy handed, two-faced, and obsessed with maintaining America's image as the bully. Vague undertones of chauvinism, racism, and homophobia too, among other things. Republicans are largely composed the macho cowboy men, their housewives, and their perfect suburban life. Stepford model family, smiling as they shoot mexicans down the border. Creepy, traditional bullshit. At least Obama keeps saying change, ROFL, people can run after him for his word later. With McCain, it's already a flat out NO. No chance to change his stance, the same old republican shit. Bury the people, and find an enemy to keep them too busy fighting to think about the things shoved back down in the politics closet.
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    Aug 27, 2008 5:40 AM GMT
    Wow guys, thanks for those substantial views. And don't worry about them being too long. It makes them more clear. This is interesting to see other perspectives.
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    Aug 27, 2008 5:58 AM GMT
    You know, it seems so easy for non-Americans out here to put down Americans with impunity. I see it all the time. Like the response that called us racists. We have a Black or African American close to being our next President. Has that ever happened in Canada, Mexico, England, France, Germany, Italy, Spain? No. We are not racists. We are the only country in the world that fought a Civil War primarily over race and we are one of the only countries in history to ever free it's slaves of another race.

    Are we perfect? Hell, no. But we are better than 95% of the countries out there. When people are in trouble who do they turn to? From WWI and WWII to the tsunami in Indoneasia, who sent the most help? Who gives more to charity?

    Where do people go to get an education? The US. Who develops the most life saving drugs? The US. Who has been the leader in technology? The US. Who developed the means for you to even read this? Most likely Bill Gates or Steve Jobs.

    The great thing about us is that we are NOT the party in power. It changes every four years, or eight. But we ARE Americans, and damn proud. We have free elections, as we were one of the first democracies in the world.

    We do not have a King or Queen, like the commonwealth countries, ect. We are CITIZENS not subjects. I am equal to anyone in my country, unlike Prince William and Prince Harry.

    Don't like what we do internationally? Fine. But stop accepting our international aid. Don't come running to us next time a dictator or despot threatens you. I almost feel like a parent that says, hey rebellious teenager, you don't like my rules, go live on your own and don't ask me to support you anymore.

    I am a proud American. I would not live in any other country in the world, and I have spent time in many.

    JW
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    Aug 27, 2008 6:18 AM GMT
    Sedative-

    "America is getting old. Too rigid. Too imperialistic. It's time they start catching up with the rest of the free world and start giving a damn about how they impact other nations."

    What a load of crap. Do you know the meaning of imperialism? When have we gone into another country and taken it over like England and France and Spain did? That was Imperialism. European countries have a history, mostly negative, of Imperialism. Africa, Asia, India? All taken over by European countries. America?

    We defeated Japan and Germany. Did we take them over? No. We spent American dollars to help them rebuild but we did not take them over.

    Too old and too rigid? What crap. We lead the world in almost everything, and part of that is because the best minds from around the world come here. From India, China, Europe, South America. They do not come here because we are too old and too rigid. They come here because they know that we are the place to be if you want to be on the cutting edge of anything from medicine to technology to biosciences.

    Proud American.

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    Aug 27, 2008 6:21 AM GMT
    JW, I can appreciate your patriotism. I love it here too. But the comments of people are to get a feel (see the original question) about how candidates might be received foreign relations wise. We can't have foreign relations without the foreign. I want to know what other nations think of the U.S. Candidates without them feeling like there is something they can't say. If you believe that we are entitled to free speech, then the whole world should be.
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    Aug 27, 2008 6:24 AM GMT
    OK, but I thought this was a free forum of ideas. If it is just for non- Americans, I wish you had made that more clear in the original post.
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    Aug 27, 2008 6:27 AM GMT
    Triggerman saidOK, but I thought this was a free forum of ideas. If it is just for non- Americans, I wish you had made that more clear in the original post.
    lol, well it was in the title. I am even not trying to put my opinion in here because I want to know what foreigners think truthfully without them feeling they had adhere to a particular view.
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    Aug 27, 2008 6:28 AM GMT
    I will respect your wishes and the original intent of the post, which I may have misread. I will keep my comments to myself. Sorry for any mistakes, problems or disruptions.
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    Aug 27, 2008 6:31 AM GMT
    AAF, set up an election thread for foreigners to vote for pres.

    They just get to post McCain or Obama...and then you can count them up later.

    Too bad RJ doesnt have a polling feature...but you could never be sure if only foreigners voted. .....Repugnicans would stoop to anything
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    Aug 27, 2008 6:33 AM GMT
    Thanks. I just want to learn something here. Even if I hear something I don't like .. you know its not like that ever happens on realjock icon_lol.gif
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    Aug 27, 2008 6:34 AM GMT
    Caslon6000 saidAAF, set up an election thread for foreigners to vote for pres. .... They just get to post McCain or Obama...and then you can count them up later.
    That would be interesting for sure.
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    Aug 27, 2008 6:45 AM GMT
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    Caslon6000 saidAAF, set up an election thread for foreigners to vote for pres. .... They just get to post McCain or Obama...and then you can count them up later.
    That would be interesting for sure.

    Just be sure to clearly mark it "NON-U.S. Citizens" so even the speed readers can't miss it.
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    Aug 27, 2008 6:49 AM GMT
    Caslon6000 saidJust be sure to clearly mark it "NON-U.S. Citizens" so even the speed readers can't miss it.
    I don't think you can do that in titles icon_lol.gif
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    Aug 27, 2008 6:58 AM GMT
    Triggerman, sure it's not the outright empires of the old world, but it's still an empire. Albeit maintained by diplomatic relations and clandestine operations. We should know. Marcos was a classic puppet.

    And yes, the best minds do flock to the US, but that's been waning recently. Especially with America's immigration policies and their less than ideal stances on racial tolerance. The focus on Obama's Islamic name for example. Yes, you had a war to free the slaves and yet it was only scarcely 50 years ago that African Americans got all the rights the whites have.

    America isn't bad. And I seriously am not an American hater, but with all the nations looking up to America for guidance it's time they recognize the responsibility they have taken unto themselves. American nationalism grates badly with other nations because it usually infers that what the Americans do in foreign soil is done only in American interests.

    For example, a nationalistic American wouldn't care about the Iraqi people and would only nab the oil to fuel American cars. You can argue that that's not the case (and I probably would believe you personally), but what matters really is the image it sends - Americans for Americans only even when fighting a war in some other nation.

    And what's more. Americans and the failing educational system. Lord knows none of the other nations want to be ruled over by ignorant backwater American soldiers who don't even know where Uzbekistan is. The focus on preserving American 'values' by conservatives which is undoubtedly white culture and only serves to widen the gap between them and the minority groups. And the chokehold of Christianity on American politics which makes it rather hard on countries which aren't Christian to believe that the US are advancing tolerance.

    The way you republicans make it seem is that it's America Vs. The World. What happened to reaching out? It wouldn't have been a problem but the US has the largest nuclear arsenal and the strongest military of all nations in the world. Who wouldn't feel threatened when republicans start rattling their war sabres again?
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    Aug 27, 2008 7:13 AM GMT
    Sedative saidTriggerman,
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    The way you republicans make it seem is that it's America Vs. The World. What happened to reaching out?
    Just for the record Triggerman has stated that he is Independent if anything, but not necessarily Republican or Democrat. But thanks for your elaboration anyway.
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    Aug 27, 2008 7:15 AM GMT
    Rubbish!
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    Aug 27, 2008 7:23 AM GMT
    personally i don't think i would vote for either candidate if i were able to vote... i'm really glad i can't actually. for most of my family is comes down to this: mccain would probably be less of a bumbling fool than bush, but would still lead the US down the path of being hated by more and more people... and obama is some new-age hippie that has no plans of substance or experience to draw upon. as a foreigner, i think it's important that the US rebuild its global image and mccain is not the better choice for that... but i still don't think i could ever put that much faith in obama, someone with no clear idea of how to get all that he promises to achieve

    (edit - have been in the country for 3 years!)